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Seattle sees fallout from $15 minimum wage, as other cities follow suit

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posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 08:35 PM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

Why? Why would they scream and yell for an increase, then not take the hours? That makes no sense. You're making , let's say $9.50. You're relying on food stamps and other assistance to get by. You Need More Money. Now, you get a raise, but you want less hours, which, in the end, equals out to making about the same as before the raise.
Again, why would you do that? Anyone struggling with bills/groceries/child care expenses is not going to turn down more hours, unless it hurts them in some way.




posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 08:37 PM
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a reply to: johnwick

I get the why, just don't understand how treating others like dirt makes them perform their work optimally.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 08:37 PM
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Seattle's progressive City Council, led by our resident Socialist Kshama Sawant, rallied for the $15 movement to stoke her voting base. Sawant, once a fresh voice in local politics, is wearing thin on Seattle residents with her wacky rants:

blog.seattlepi.com...
www.kirotv.com...

Sawant is at odds with the rest of the council, but the majority approved of the $15 minimum wage over protests of local businesses. Is the wage hike an attempt by progressives to secure the low info voters loyalty, or a genuine attempt to help those trapped in low end jobs? Either way, local businesses, some barely in the black, end up fiscally responsible for this decision and may not be able to absorb this spike.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 08:37 PM
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originally posted by: In4ormant
a reply to: DAVID64

Now it's too much money and not enough at the same time eh? This topic eats me alive inside.

Sooooo, instead of working 2 jobs(like my parents) @15 an hour to make ends meet or asking for more hours, you wanna work less to continue burning through my tax money.

When does the bleeding stop


I don't know exactly what it is...perhaps either convenience or entitlement. But something has taken the place of pride for some people(s), er generation, er class. I'm careful not to use a broad brush because as it's been stated, the sample size leaves something to be desired.

Maybe certain people have simply been 'broken' by the system and/or society.

Answers don't often come easy. Neither do solutions, unfortunately.
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posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 08:37 PM
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originally posted by: Ultralight
a reply to: In4ormant

I don't pay myself that but my emp,oyees get that and more. THEY ARE my success and deserve the kudos. I care so I share. Guess what? They don't dred coming to work, they maximize their work product, and they are less stressed and have less medical issues.

Why owners do not equitably share profits with ALL those who make it for them is beyond me.


Nooooooo, we are the big bad evil incarnate ""BUSINESS OWNERS"" that drive skilled labor with whips and chains till they bleed like a scene from a Middle Earth Tolkien story. We are not to benefit when there are people out there that are not making enough. Of course, the times when we went without to support our employees and keep the business going do not count. The times where we worked for free and stressed over how we would make ends meet in order to make payroll don't count.

The hours that are not paid while all other staff have gone home do not count for us. The ever changing regulations and laws passed that we must hire more and more professionals to navigate are our burden to bear because we are greedy and benefit somehow from our slave labor.

I am getting fairly tired of this rhetoric that seems to be non stop from people. Flame away, complain until there are no people left to open a business for you to work in and then cry about your poor choices in life;

I'll be in Fiji.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 08:37 PM
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a reply to: DAVID64

The hurt is them making more money means the can become ineligible for that free stuff. So, by not working the hours, they still get free stuff...



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 08:38 PM
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originally posted by: Ultralight
a reply to: greencmp

I don't have losses. Seriously. But if I did, the employees would not pay for them, no.


Fantastic though, don't count on that forever.

I suspect that your employees increase their productivity either before or after their raises and thus, deserve their raises.

If an employee doesn't work out, I am willing to bet you let them go.

You are describing the free market and value based pay.
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posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 08:38 PM
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Here's a thought, eliminate non-skilled jobs by not ever supporting them. That in turn should force the workforce to become better skilled right?

Here's a business that article referenced. A comic book store. Don't go there.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 08:39 PM
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Man this whole argument has been been on ATS many times. It appears any asshole who is financially set just does get it? For them You try living on $15 and hour part time. And before you start saying get a additional job. Try scheduling that sometime. Otherwise just shut up it's summertime and enjoy the pool at your vacation house or your Caribbean cruise.

Just lay off the people who actually work harder than you for messily scraps for wages.... Regardless of their skills it's still hard labor intensive work, probably something your silver spooned mouths never had to do.

SHUT UP ALREADY!!!!
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posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 08:40 PM
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originally posted by: proob4

originally posted by: ugmold

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: ugmold

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: johnwick

The guy wrapping up your burger at McDonald's doesn't make anything. He wraps up food that somebody else prepared. Somebody else slaughtered. Somebody else raised as livestock.

I can wrap my own burger, thanks.

Then do it, thanks, at minimum wage 40 hrs a week, hero.


Do I have the option of wrapping my own food up when I go somewhere? Is there a restaurant that lets you do that? I'll do it. Will it knock some money off the menu price if I wrap the food myself? Then I would definitely be willing to wrap my own food up, champ.


I don't know, I don't eat that sh•t.
And ya know what? It's mostly the people on these low budget discount slave jobs that eat this garbage too.

My guess, your preference.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 08:41 PM
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originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
a reply to: In4ormant

I could live without the internet, maybe. But the rent and cellphones are mandatory. I prefer not to live on the East-side because it is to expensive, but my girl love's it so I'm stuck for now.

As long as you don't make more than $2000 a month you can keep getting welfare, so to some degree I can see why some are asking for less. I'd rather have $400 in cash then 200 in food stamps, but that's just me.


But you see my point, choices you have made are dictating your situation. Some people refuse to give up the iPhone they have in one hand while the other is in taxpayer pockets.


So should I live in a box? It really doesn't matter were you go when you live out here, everything is expensive, hell you can't even go to burger king with out spending dam near $10 for a combo meal. Sure I could move back to the hood and pay $600 for a one bedroom filled with rats and roaches, but why put my kids through that just to save a few bucks?



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 08:42 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: fshrrex
A $15 @ 40hr. week - you are looking at $28,000 a yr...before taxes. The national poverty line is currently $24,500 for a family of 4.


40 hours a week at $15 per hour is $600 per week and $31,200 per year gross.

Aw, that is not fair, don't you know that advanced math skills like addition and multiplication start at $20.00 per hour.


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posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: In4ormant

So true!



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 08:44 PM
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originally posted by: proob4

It appears any asshole whole is financially set just does get it?


What is there to get? Fast food workers are low-skilled and do not deserve $15 hour.


For them You try living on $15 and hour part time. And before you start saying get a additional job. Try scheduling that sometime.


I worked three jobs at one point, one of them full time. I also worked a year straight when my mother and I bought our first restaurant (with the money I saved form those three jobs).


Otherwise just shut up it's summertime and enjoy the pool at your vacation house or your Caribbean cruise.


Did the Caribbean last year, this summer it is Italy.



Just lay off the people who actually work harder than you for scraps....


None of them would be able to do my job, and all it entails, with their current skill set and frankly, they would cry for their mommies with my hours if they cannot even handle part time work.





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posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 08:46 PM
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originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
a reply to: In4ormant

I could live without the internet, maybe. But the rent and cellphones are mandatory. I prefer not to live on the East-side because it is to expensive, but my girl love's it so I'm stuck for now.

As long as you don't make more than $2000 a month you can keep getting welfare, so to some degree I can see why some are asking for less. I'd rather have $400 in cash then 200 in food stamps, but that's just me.


But you see my point, choices you have made are dictating your situation. Some people refuse to give up the iPhone they have in one hand while the other is in taxpayer pockets.


So should I live in a box? It really doesn't matter were you go when you live out here, everything is expensive, hell you can't even go to burger king with out spending dam near $10 for a combo meal. Sure I could move back to the hood and pay $600 for a one bedroom filled with rats and roaches, but why put my kids through that just to save a few bucks?


I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying everyone's situation is a direct reflection of their choices and the way they choose to live. I've got 3 also, I feel your pain



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: Ultralight
a reply to: greencmp

I don't have losses. Seriously. But if I did, the employees would not pay for them, no.



If an employee doesn't work out, I am willing to bet you let them go.


Of course not, it would be best to keep an unproductive staff member that sometimes shows up for work and does half the job of everyone else because it is the right thing to do. We would never have to hear from the other staff that do work hard and deserve their pay, nope everyone would be one big happy family. Free money for everyone!!! That's the American 21st Century way.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 08:47 PM
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a reply to: notmyrealname

There was a time I had to make a small can of chili beans and 3 tortillas last for 3 meals. I get your drift.


Why Fiji of all places?

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posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 08:48 PM
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