Seattle sees fallout from $15 minimum wage, as other cities follow suit

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: johnwick

Pretty sure the "value" being referred to here is "value added to society."

But I'm sure you knew that.

I agree wholly.

They make food, the most basic and overall most important thing to humanity.

Without it, nothing else matters because humans wouldn't exist.

Yes, value added to society, by keeping it possible to even exist.

But you knew that.

So somehow we are seeing the fallout of $15/hour even though the minimum wage isn't CURRENTLY $15/hour?

Yep that sounds about right for Fox journalism.

This has been in effect for like 15 minutes and Fox News reporting? F'ing BS, k.

a reply to: johnwick

The guy wrapping up your burger at McDonald's doesn't make anything. He wraps up food that somebody else prepared. Somebody else slaughtered. Somebody else raised as livestock.

I can wrap my own burger, thanks.

originally posted by: Krakatoa

It makes sense if you think of it from the point of view that making that higher wage makes them ineligible for free stuff.

I meant in the context of when the other poster posited that perhaps they are taking more time off now due to their state mandated wage increase.

a reply to: Shamrock6

I'm a little confused.

Are you implying that fast food workers (nice folks I'm sure, I was one once) are a protected class that deserve socialist state economic intervention or have I misunderstood your position?

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: johnwick

The guy wrapping up your burger at McDonald's doesn't make anything. He wraps up food that somebody else prepared. Somebody else slaughtered. Somebody else raised as livestock.

I can wrap my own burger, thanks.

Then do it, thanks, at minimum wage 40 hrs a week, hero.

a reply to: Vector99

You're right, it's not, it's only up to $11 and the rest is phased in over time. But if this is happening at $11 an hour, what's going to happen when it does get up to $15?

a reply to: DAVID64

I hope all such employers stand firm, and tell these employees that there are required hours, and, if they can't work them, to find other employment. No excuse for that!

a reply to: greencmp

How you possibly got that out of anything I said is pretty mind boggling.

originally posted by: Krakatoa
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

It makes sense if you think of it from the point of view that making that higher wage makes them ineligible for free stuff. Working the extra hours to make up for that means it is not free anymore. That is how I am reading this....it makes sense, in a warped and deluded perception of the world, where everyone owes you something for nothing.

They showed up, so they deserve a trophy, right?

Yes, this is known as legal plunder and it only spreads as more and more people see that they must use this weapon lest they be left out of the universal plunder-for-all.

Bastiat was absolutely right about socialism.

For one, low income people need to be weened off of the government cheese. Welfare programs are so bloated.
Except that it is probably by design.
How come the largest most expensive cities are home to the biggest population of low income people?
Sounds a bit Agenda-21-ish to me.
Herd em up, make em completely reliant on the government for food, water, medicine, and entertainment.

Alternatively a family could move to podunk where there are practically 0 jobs, but probably eventually find one and end up with a higher standard of living with less money.

Better yet, keep your welfare check and find a job under the table.
Squeeze every last drop of blood out of the system until its dead and we can move on.

a reply to: greencmp

You really didn't see this coming?

The more you make, the more they (govt) take.

The true reason behind the $15 an hour wage was to increase taxes paid, lessening take home pay.

originally posted by: ugmold

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: johnwick

The guy wrapping up your burger at McDonald's doesn't make anything. He wraps up food that somebody else prepared. Somebody else slaughtered. Somebody else raised as livestock.

I can wrap my own burger, thanks.

Then do it, thanks, at minimum wage 40 hrs a week, hero.

Do I have the option of wrapping my own food up when I go somewhere? Is there a restaurant that lets you do that? I'll do it. Will it knock some money off the menu price if I wrap the food myself? Then I would definitely be willing to wrap my own food up, champ.

a reply to: Shamrock6

It wouldn't be the first time I have ben misunderstood, thanks for clarifying.

Even the sarcastic can miss sarcasm in the fray.

originally posted by: In4ormant
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

600 a week is plenty as a minimum! If its not then you need to check your lifestyle at the door folks.

That depends where you live and how much support you have. Right now me and my girl are paying $1850 a month for a 3 bedroom apartment. We have 3 girls to feed, electric, water and garbage, plus internet, car insurance, renter insurance, cell phone bills, gas to get back and forth to work, lunch money the list goes on. Even though my girl makes more than $15 it's still not enough to really live on. Unless you want to live like a rabbit.

originally posted by: greencmp
Bastiat was absolutely right about socialism.

So true:

“But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime.”

a reply to: ugmold

No one forced him to accept that wage. They offered , he accepted. I would recommend if he wanted a better job he should work harder, get a better education or both.

a reply to: Sremmos80

The fallout was predicted by many small business owners in the Seattle area, and voiced to boos and deaf ears in council chambers when the topic was discussed. I attended WRA and WBA meetings covering projected effects, and ways owners could compensate for a 48% increase from min. wage.

You are correct that it's too soon for a complete picture, but the impact is forcing owners to resort to drastic measures(reduced hours, reduced benefits, etc.) to keep their businesses running.

www.washingtonpolicy.org...
www.capitolhillseattle.com...
www.forbes.com...

Washington State has some of the highest taxes in the nation(gas, sin, B&O,...) and is in the top 10 for rental income/leasing profitability. Seattle has become a very expensive city to live in, and to run a business in. Drive through Wedgewood, Greenlake, Capital Hill or Rainer Valley, and look at the number of businesses that have closed. That number will increase as $15/hr wages are felt by those small businesses that can't absorb that wage hike.

Now the next law will force a 40 hour workweek !!!!!