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Obamacare To Be Opened Up To Illegal Immigrants In California

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posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: St Udio

It is a joke, who in the hell illegal have enough to pay for an insurance, to begin with, be subsidized or not, this only give you the sense that is some crap coking behind the bill.



Most illegals can take care of themselves. They work, pay taxes, shop for groceries and necessities just like any American.




posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: marg6043

How would we show you that?

How about you show us what was cooking behind this bill first.

You know that stuff that we don't know about that some how changes things.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: introvert

I will throw it back to you , show me who that is illegal will be able to buy an insurance.



You're asking for anecdotal evidence? How will that change your opinion?

You are under the impression that ll illegals are poor. How sad.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 02:19 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Nope they just rape, murder and deal drugs.

And I assume some are good people.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 02:20 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: introvert

Nope they just rape, murder and deal drugs.

And I assume some are good people.





Unfortunately, your comment is exactly what many people believe. Ask Donald Trump.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 02:24 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Most illegals is America live under poverty, so again who that is illegal can buy an insurance.

What is cooking behind the bill? the access of Medicaid for illegals in California.


A new bill proposed in the state senate this month aims to change that. Under legislation called the Health for All Act, undocumented immigrants could qualify for Medicaid coverage paid fully by the state. Those earning too much to qualify for Medicaid would be able to access an insurance exchange offering state-funded subsidies. The bill has been introduced by Democratic State Sen. Ricardo Lara.


From the source, it seems some don't even take the time to read.

My own source

nation.time.com...



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: marg6043

The US poverty line for a family of four is at about $24k a year.


The 2007 median household income of unauthorized immigrants was $36,000, well below the $50,000 median household income for U.S.-born residents. In contrast to other immigrants, undocumented immigrants do not attain markedly higher incomes the longer they live in the United States.

A third of the children of unauthorized immigrants and a fifth of adult unauthorized immigrants lives in poverty. This is nearly double the poverty rate for children of U.S.-born parents (18%) or for U.S.-born adults (10%).

Source

A sad statistic, but far from your remark of "most" living in poverty.



From the source, it seems some don't even take the time to read.


No, I read it and have no problem with it. Illegals pay taxes as well. They are deserving of services when they pay taxes right along with every one else.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: St Udio

It is a joke, who in the hell illegal have enough to pay for an insurance, to begin with, be subsidized or not, this only give you the sense that is some crap coking behind the bill.




'They' do not Pay....
Medicaid policies are generally Free, because the State or the Federal Subsidies pay the premium for the poor

the illegals are getting FREE insurance, no money comes from their pockets as the State pays or uses federal subsidies to become the actual payee for health care policy of that person(s)/family (legal or not, the only requirement before now was that the applicant had to be dirt poor....(now they can be illegal too, but have scads of land & property in Mexico that is unreportable ~ the lax laws of the progressive socialists make gaming the affluent American economic engine a Karmic pay-back justified scheme.....


~yeah "protect and defend the constitution"/bill of rights, etc. ~



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 02:36 PM
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The Pew Research Center has estimated that there are 2.5 million illegal immigrants in California.


How many could afford a health insurance even with subsidies, math people math.

So dump them into Medicaid pay and subsidized by the federal government, what a way to bankrupt a nation and the State of California.

To encourage more illegal immigrants to keep migrating, while rewarding him.
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posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: St Udio

Meanwhile we the tax payer at federal leve will be paying for the free ride of been illegal in the nation.

Hell they very soon have more rights than us voters and tax payers citizens.

What a joke.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: St Udio

Meanwhile we the tax payer at federal leve will be paying for the free ride of been illegal in the nation.

Hell they very soon have more rights than us voters and tax payers citizens.

What a joke.



Do illegals not pay taxes? Do they not pay in to the system?

Are we being a bit melodramatic?



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 02:49 PM
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Some odd parts....

1) how many illegal immigrants will actually admit and certify that they are "illegal" ?


2) insurance and medicaid require full I.D. and verifications right?

Sounds like a back-door attempt to place anybody on Medicaid in California !!!



Who's the joke on this time anyway?



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 02:53 PM
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They should use this as a way to catch illegals in this country. The laws of this land mean something or they don't. What we should be doing is making it harder for illegals to live in this country, not make it easier for them get health insurance.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 03:02 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Oh, but that is ok because the rethoric is that they pay work (mostly under poverty level) and pay taxes.

The truth is that, with tax dollars 4 billions are paid to illegals every year in tax returns. How is that possible?


Q: Does the IRS pay billions in tax refunds to workers who are in the U.S. illegally?

A: Yes. The Treasury Department’s Inspector General determined that $4.2 billion was paid in 2010, up from less than $1 billion in 2005. Leading Democrats are resisting a bill that would stop future payments.


These people get credits for their American born children and get money back even if they do not work at all.


“Individuals Who Are Not Authorized to Work in the United States Were Paid $4.2 Billion in Refundable Credits.”

The credits currently amount to $1,000 per child, and they are “refundable,” meaning that parents may receive refunds even when they do not owe any tax.

The IG report stated that more than 2.3 million persons who did not have Social Security numbers valid for working in the U.S. got an average of roughly $1,800 each in 2010 in child tax credit refunds. That included 9,000 illegal immigrants who each got a total of $10,000 or more by retroactively claiming credits for tax years prior to 2010.


To me looks like more money going out that getting in, one more way to screw tax payers

www.factcheck.org...

Keep the link fresh for anybody that keep claiming that illegals work and pay taxes, yes some do, but most get all that money back and more.




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posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 03:25 PM
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I got more, look how much California pay for the illegal immigrants a year,

Illegal Immigration Costs California Over 10 Billion Annually,

Illegals accounts for 11 billion a year in tax revenue, but how much the nation is paying to support them and their American children?


•$11 billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.

•Illegal households only pay about one-third the amount of federal taxes that non-illegal households pay.

•Illegal households create a net fiscal deficit at the federal level of more than $10 billion a year. If given amnesty, this number could grow to more than $29 billion.

•$1.9 billion dollars a year is spent on food-assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

•$1.6 billion is spent on the federal prison and court system for illegal aliens.

•$2.5 billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

•About 21 percent of the population of U.S. prisons is classified as “noncitizens” from Mexico, Colombia, Cuba and the Dominican Republic. About 5 percent is listed as “unknown.”


Seems more money going out than getting in to me, even if taxes paid by illegals are 11 billion a year.

personalliberty.com...


References:

“The High Cost of Cheap Labor: Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget.” Steven A. Camarota. Center for Immigration Studies (CIS).


The government loves to make legal tax payers and citizens in the nation believe that we should shut up because illegals pay taxes too


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posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

If they're illegal, treat them in the ER then ship them back to their own country and tell them to do it legally.

There. No worries on Obamacare then.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 03:35 PM
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If someone breaks into your house and expects food and medical treatment paid for by you, and they offer to pay the cable bill in return. . .

I'd still say, "Get the f### out of my house!"



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 04:00 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: St Udio

It is a joke, who in the hell illegal have enough to pay for an insurance, to begin with, be subsidized or not, this only give you the sense that is some crap coking behind the bill.



Most illegals can take care of themselves. They work, pay taxes, shop for groceries and necessities just like any American.


Most Americans do that, and THEY don't have enough to pay for their own Obamacare.

I mean ... which typical family has the loose cash rattling around to afford a premium that demands and $200 to $300 per person per month for the average family? And that's here. I can only imagine what that cost must be out of Cali, the land of obscenely expensive cost of living.
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posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 05:13 PM
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a reply to: introvert

If they are ILLEGAL, they likely are not paying taxes.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 05:28 PM
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Breaking the law and getting rewarded for it....@$^$&#&%@!~




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