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Blair endorses Jeremy Corbyn by warning Labour against Jeremy Corbyn

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posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 07:00 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
If Labour do go with Mr Corbyn and loose then fine , at least they will have lost fighting for Labour values not Tory as has been the case over the last few elections.


What are Labour values. It seem to me that each leadership candidate will being a different set of values to the party.

For example, the Labour party values at one point in its history was to resist women's suffrage as this would (they thought) impact on working men! Is that still a value? Of course it I not, but my question remains...

What are Labours core values?




posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 07:04 AM
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originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: gortex
If Labour do go with Mr Corbyn and loose then fine , at least they will have lost fighting for Labour values not Tory as has been the case over the last few elections.


What are Labour values. It seem to me that each leadership candidate will being a different set of values to the party.

For example, the Labour party values at one point in its history was to resist women's suffrage as this would (they thought) impact on working men! Is that still a value? Of course it I not, but my question remains...

What are Labours core values?

Labours core values should be to protect the NHS, Protects the welfare state, protect the working man/woman's rights, protect our human rights..as of now they are siding with the tories to destroy all four.
edit on 24-7-2015 by Soloprotocol because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 07:13 AM
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It tells me Farage was blowing the right dog whistles on migration that people wanted to hear


Well those type of voters would never vote for Corbyn. He would have an " open door " policy on immigration. So that's one block of voters who he would never gain.



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 07:15 AM
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a reply to: paraphi




For example, the Labour party values at one point in its history was to resist women's suffrage as this would (they thought) impact on working men!

The Tories resisted women's suffrage too because they feared it would lead to universal suffrage and they saw no reason to tamper with what was a winning system for them , although I don't see how 19th century history is relevant , we live in a different world today.



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 07:22 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: EvillerBob



Considering the nature of the allegations, he should have (and could have) been riding the Health Secretary over this - and he has that power exactly because he is a constituency MP.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing , this country was a different place in the 70s and 80s.



"Hindsight" suggests that it was reasonable (if later shown to be wrong) for him to have acted that way based on what he knew at the time.

This isn't a case where "hindsight" is relevant. On the basis of the information presented at that time, he should have been all over it.

The country was certainly a different place but these were still serious criminal allegations, even back then.



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 07:30 AM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: gortex
If Labour do go with Mr Corbyn and loose then fine , at least they will have lost fighting for Labour values not Tory as has been the case over the last few elections.


What are Labour values. It seem to me that each leadership candidate will being a different set of values to the party.

For example, the Labour party values at one point in its history was to resist women's suffrage as this would (they thought) impact on working men! Is that still a value? Of course it I not, but my question remains...

What are Labours core values?

Labours core values should be to protect the NHS, Protects the welfare state, protect the working man/woman's rights, protect our human rights..as of now they are siding with the tories to destroy all four.

The first two of those values are hogwash. The only way to protect the NHS is to totally remove it from political influence. And protect the Welfare State? That's ridiculous. It should be to encourage the creation of jobs through policies.

Unions are OK, as long as they are not militant, like the RMT. Striking should always be the very last resort, rather than a default action. Sure, keep it as a threat, but when you use it EVERY time you have a dispute those rights will slowly be eroded away, just like they are in the process of doing now.



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 07:35 AM
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This isn't a case where "hindsight" is relevant. On the basis of the information presented at that time, he should have been all over it.

The hindsight I mentioned relates to what is happening in this thread , what we know today as opposed to what was known back then and how some here are viewing the situation back then with today's eyes.

They were serious allegations and as has been pointed out by both myself and TrueBrit he did act on the information he received.



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 07:37 AM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: gortex




And what happened to the SDP


They merged with The Liberal Party. You may have missed that.

Can't miss something that didn't happen. Why the lies ?




How is it that it's OK to have right winger leading a political party (Ukip)




UKIP are a right wing party are they not. They gained 12.6 % of the vote in the GE, up from 3.1% in 2010. Unlike Labour, who under a leftist leader actually LOST 24 seats compared to the 2010 GE.

So what does that tell you? It tells me that the swing in The U.K. is toward The Right and not The Left.

They actually lost 26 seats. In scotland they lost 40 seats. So this means in England and Wales labour INCREASED THEIR SEATS BY 14. They lost in Scotland for being "red tories" i.e. not left wing enough. The swing between 2010 to 2015 was PLUS 1.4% even with the scottish result included.

By all measures the Labour party will improve it's chances by moving to the left. When it does the internet will be used to counter all the right wing lies that the public used to be fed via newspapers in the 70's and 80's.

Labour needs to get with everyone else and campaign for proportional representation. The Tories will never ever get in power ever again.......

Oh and before the anti Scottish headless chickens open their mouths . Nicola Sturgeon has already stated that despite FPTP favouring the SNP in Scotland she is in favour of proportional representation.

I'm a lifelong Yorkshire Labour supporter, my father stood for election , I grew up surrounded by politics and politicians, I voted SNP and I would vote SNP again because when you remove independence from the policies it matches what Labour used to stand for.
edit on 24/7/2015 by yorkshirelad because: missed tags



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 07:46 AM
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Can't miss something that didn't happen. Why the lies


You haven't got a clue what your talking about.




The SDP–Liberal Alliance was a centrist[3][4][5] political and electoral alliance in the United Kingdom formed by the Social Democratic Party (SDP) and the Liberal Party. The Alliance was in existence from 1981 to 1988, when the bulk of the two parties formally merged to form the Social and Liberal Democrats, later referred to as simply the Liberal Democrats.


en.wikipedia.org...

As for Labour moving to the left, under Michael Foot ( who was slightly to the right of Corbyn ) Labour had it's worse ever GE result in 1983.


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posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 07:56 AM
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Michael Foot ( who was slightly to the right of Corbyn ) Labour had it's worse ever GE result in 1983.

Don't you think that had more to do with the unpopular Michael Foot and the trouble caused by the existence of Militant Tendency , Labour were pretty much un-electable back than , Mr Corbyn is not Michael Foot.



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 07:59 AM
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originally posted by: Scouse100
I like Corbyn very much, so far I don't think he's said a thing I don't like.

I'd rather see a Labour party true to its values than a Tory lite party catering their values to what they think the electorate want. When Corbyn speaks, you can tell he is being honest with himself, the others seem terrified of saying the wrong thing. Surely politics should be about fighting for the values you feel passionate about, otherwise what's the point?

Maybe it's time to give people a real choice and end this splitting hairs politics.




Absolutely... I was listening to him on Jeremy Vine earlier and he was excellent, calm,reasoned, intelligent and absolutely spot on with his anti-austerity thinking and policies.
He is exactly what The Labour Party stand for... or "stood for" and anyone who calls themselves Labour or believes in socialism or a fair and decent society should get behind this guy.
All of this "Yeah but Labour need to be Tory-Lite just to win" and "Nobody likes a Left-Wing Labour" stuff is bollocks.
Nobody liked Milliband and the others who were tarnished (Ed Balls) by being associated with Blair/Brown Govs.

We need a credible Left-Wing, fair and decent alternative.

The SNP, Labour, Greens and Lib Dems combined got more than the Tories and all of those are far more "left" than they are conservative... so all of the "Yeah but the Tories got the most votes" or whatever is crap.... the left is just so fractured/splintered because of the lurch to right and centrist politics since the late 90's.
People at the end of these 5 years of Tory rule and brutal cuts and austerity will want a credible alternative, I just hope Labour can provide them with one because they certainly haven't been.

They were weak in opposition, barely speaking out against the fear-mongering and xenophobic nonsense that UKIP and The Tories spouted... Labour of old would have taken them to the cleaners instead of joining in.
They wouldn't have agreed with the Austerity line either, they would have done what any good opposition does... OPPOSE.

Labour are in tatters right now and you know when the media is trying to stop people wanting to vote Corbyn and are ridiculing him and painting him in a bad light, it's because they're scared.
Maybe Corbyn isn't the answer and isn't charismatic or a Westminster player but I think real Labour supporters and socialists actually like that, they're sick of this "New Labour" bollocks and disgusted by what their party has become.

I don't know what the future holds but for millions around the country it's really not good.
The Tory scum will continue to target the poorest and most vulnerable and keep making us pay for their mistakes and their city friends.
The poor subsidising the rich...that's how the Tories always do things and its no different this time.
The NHS, pretty much all other social care and schemes and grants, benefits, tax credits and everything that people rely on will be at best hugely reduced and at worst completely gone and many other awful things will happen.

We need the Labour party to stand up and be the party that they were.
Its bad when the SNP are having to quote Tony Benn* and others and are far more Labour/socialist than the Labour Party.

It's an utter disgrace.


* If anyone missed the speech I'm referring to, here it is - you should really watch it.
We need more like her in politics.


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posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 10:08 AM
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This what labour MPs should be doing



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 10:57 AM
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originally posted by: blupblup

originally posted by: Scouse100
I like Corbyn very much, so far I don't think he's said a thing I don't like.

I'd rather see a Labour party true to its values than a Tory lite party catering their values to what they think the electorate want. When Corbyn speaks, you can tell he is being honest with himself, the others seem terrified of saying the wrong thing. Surely politics should be about fighting for the values you feel passionate about, otherwise what's the point?

Maybe it's time to give people a real choice and end this splitting hairs politics.





* If anyone missed the speech I'm referring to, here it is - you should really watch it.
We need more like her in politics.


And here is how the BBC covered that speech.






posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 03:54 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
What did they have in common? They where all " Men Of The People". They took the public along with them. They all achieved landslide election victories.

So did Hitler in 1938. I judge politicians by what they stand for, not by how popular they are, nor how good they are at misleading an all too gullible and propagandized electorate.

Labour under Tony Blair took Britain into an illegal war on false pretence - about the most serious offence a sitting government can commit. For that reason I (and many others) will never vote for Labour while it is led by somebody with Blair's approval.

Corbyn was fiercely opposed to both the Iraq War and the War in Afghanistan.
Mainstream media is now in full anti-Corbyn frenzy but hopefully folk are beginning to see through it.
edit on 24-7-2015 by EvilAxis because: typo



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 05:02 PM
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originally posted by: EvilAxis
Mainstream media is now in full anti-Corbyn frenzy but hopefully folk are beginning to see through it.


I am not sure what you think "mainstream media" is, but the media I have listened to is about reporting what people are saying. There's panic in the Labour ranks that an opinion poll has shown Corbyn is ahead. Where's the frenzy? The media is reporting what people are saying on both sides.

www.rmt.org.uk...

I am just glad the Labour party bods don't call each other "comrade" anymore. That's one good thing New Labour did for us!



posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 09:43 PM
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Thanks for the link comrade. I've paid my £3 subs and will vote for him to lead the party.

You believe the media "is about reporting what people are saying"? If so, I doubt anything I say at this point would disabuse you of that cheerful notion.

Over the last few days I've read half a dozen hysterical editorial anti-Corbyn hit pieces telling us what we should be thinking. They run the risk of alienating their readers, especially as Corbyn's popularity continues to surge.
edit on 25-7-2015 by EvilAxis because: brevity



posted on Jul, 25 2015 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: gortex this video contains scenes of full frontal Tony Blair.


thanks for the warning an endorsement from bliar? hmmm.
that'd feel like getting 'Il bacio della morte' (the mafia kiss of death).



posted on Aug, 12 2015 @ 03:16 PM
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Blair sticks his paddle in the water one more time to reassure Corbyn supporters they are doing the right thing.

The Labour Party risks "annihilation" if Jeremy Corbyn wins the party's leadership contest, former prime minister Tony Blair has warned.
In an impassioned letter printed in the Guardian, Mr Blair said the party was walking "over the cliff's edge".
www.bbc.co.uk...


New Labour is dead , long live Labour.



posted on Aug, 12 2015 @ 03:18 PM
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If only Tony would Walk over a cliff edge.



posted on Aug, 13 2015 @ 09:53 AM
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Stratagies are starting to split in the `others camp` of leadership hopefuls , Mrs Balls ( Yvette Cooper) has unsurprisingly gone on the attack against Jeremy Corbyn basically echoing the words of war criminal Tony (ready when you are George) Blair.

Andy Burnham has smelled the coffee and along side stealing some of Corbyn's political clothes is now saying that Mr Corbyn

"brought the campaign to life"

and that

"there is a yearning out there for a different style of politics", and insisting he was the candidate to offer that.
"People want something bigger they can believe in," added Mr Burnham and he criticised what he characterised as "retail politics" whereby "small gimmicky policies have been serviced up to appeal to particular splinters of the population".
www.bbc.co.uk...

Ha , too late Andy.



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