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Blair endorses Jeremy Corbyn by warning Labour against Jeremy Corbyn

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posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 04:42 AM
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Former PM and alleged war criminal Tony Blair has said in a speech at the Progress think tank that giving the British people an alternative to the Tories would be wrong , he warned Labour that a move to the left would be a mistake and that they should wear the clothes of the Tories in an attempt to win power at any cost (My interpretation)


The "debilitating feature" of the leadership contest was that it was being presented as a choice "between heart and head", he said, adding that people who say their heart is with Mr Corbyn should "get a transplant"
www.bbc.co.uk...

Perhaps the people who voted for you should get a Head transplant Mr B liar.

His intervention comes in the wake of a Yougov poll that puts Corbyn 6 points ahead of nearest rival Andy Burnham , who was , unsurprisingly a Blairite.

This country is crying out for a choice between parties and Corbyn will give that choice , the red Tory Blair wants his Mini-me Burnham in charge to carry on with his right wing legacy and to ensure he retains at least some influence in the party.
I didn't think Mr Corbyn had a chance but I'm more than happy to be proved wrong on this occasion , finger crossed for September and the victory for a Labour politician leading the Labour party.

Caution , this video contains scenes of full frontal Tony Blair.


Looking forward with hope , looking back with disdain.




posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 04:50 AM
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If Labour get left wing they will possibly obsolete themselves.

Miliband was a disastrous choice for Labour as their 'leader' and his left wing shifting probably forced a lot of voters to becoming Conservative and their immigration fiascos of their previous policies forced a lot of people into voting UKIP.

They need to listen to business as that is how the UK's political infrastructure is centred.

www.ft.com...


For five years he defied relentless critiques from Blairite colleagues, business and the media for his awkward persona and his unshakeable conviction that Britain’s political centre ground had shifted to the left following the global financial crisis.
On the brink of the election, with the polls neck-and-neck, he believed that he could defeat the Tories and — from inside Downing Street — fulfil his dream of narrowing inequality in Britain.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 04:52 AM
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As far as I'm concerned he's a war criminal along with Alastair Campbell the media manipulator who as far as I'm aware has never been a target even when he's jogging around London :-/

Will be honest I'm not a labour supporter but do respect some of their politicians for their morality and ethics but cringe at the class warfare angle that gets brought up from time to time

With the SNP sealing the votes in Scotland labour can't have a chance in England,the English vote for conservative is higher than for labour so will be very tough for them to gain the seats needed for a majority



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 04:54 AM
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a reply to: gortex

The U.K. by nature is a Conservative country. The Labour Party will not win power by lurching to the left. Times have changed and the only way for Labour to win power again is by charting the middle ground.

Corbyn would be a complete car crash for Labour. The party was warned about Kinnock and Milliband being unelectable but they choose to ignore it, hence the consequences. They need to learn from the past, and fast.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 04:55 AM
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If Labour get left wing they will possibly obsolete themselves

Labour are a center left party , the Tories are a center right party but for the last few years we have had two center right parties with little to chose between them , we have had no choice.

I want to see a Labour party who are true to their political ideals not a party who will say and do whatever it takes to gain power , give the people a choice and they will decide.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 04:57 AM
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Removing the personalities from this...

Blaire is right. A left-leaning Labour party (rather than a centre-left leaning) would not have a chance of gaining power. The world has moved on from old Labour ideology of "working class" bullshat. To be relevant, Labour needs to appeal to people across a wide social spectrum. Being a niche party that supports niche "working class" causes, appeals to no one except a few Trade Unionists and disaffected socialists who think that the world owes them something and that class war is real.

If Labour swing left, then they will be unelectable.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 05:01 AM
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Socialist policies are fine as long as you can afford to implement them – without a decent economic strength there are simply not the available funds to afford such a political system. It is consistently the most expensive form of governance to implement, and is why every socialist system currently or previously in existence has failed, is in deficit, or subjects the vast majority of its population to dire poverty.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 05:04 AM
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I know Labour are ''centre left'' and Conservative are ''centre Right'' but Labour's possible shift to the left IMO wouldn't be constructive. People don't want zillions of immigrants milking the system or Unions having too much control. Leftism of old school Labour is out of date and they either adapt and transform or be the next Lib Dems.

www.theguardian.com...


Labour’s lost voters may never return again, study finds.

Focus group interviews in five key constituencies reveal rejection of Ed Miliband and distrust over the economy, taxation, welfare, union links and immigration

Most believed Labour did not offer the average family the prospect of a better life. Instead, it wanted to tax people who had done well and made themselves wealthy through hard work, so that it could help the worst off and those on welfare, ignoring those in the middle. It was also seen as anti-business, in the pocket of the unions and not tough enough on immigration. “Immigration is the topic that, left to their own devices, the respondents would have talked about all night. Their central arguments, across all groups and repeated frequently, were along the lines that our country is full, our country is broke and public services are creaking and cannot stand extra strain.”



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 05:11 AM
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I agree, with most of the points made, but labour are not going to win the next election, no matter which candidate they choose. At least Corbyn, will bring some opposition to the current Tory iron clad consensus. It will make things more interesting for the next 5 years to have a totally different leader of the opposition, rather than just Tory lite Labour and the Tories agreeing on every issue. With no relevant opposition to raise important issues and questions over the Tory platform.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 05:13 AM
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a reply to: theabsolutetruth




I know Labour are ''centre left'' and Conservative are ''centre Right'' but Labour's possible shift to the left IMO wouldn't be constructive.

Labour would just be moving back to the center left position from the right of center position they currently hold , the shift would be a natural realignment.

The biggest complaint over the last few years has been the parties are too similar , both espousing similar rhetoric , I find it staggering that members here wish to see that situation continue , which it would if Burnham or Cooper win the contest.

I don't care if Labour don't win the next election , I would rather see a Labour party that's true to itself and its core values than a clone of the Tories spouting what it believes people want to hear to get itself elected , without a real choice betweeN political parties we have no real democracy.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 05:20 AM
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Quote who said that where on this thread.

The facts are that Labour going left will probably be ruinous for them. Research suggests this is true.

The rest of the politics can be debated elsewhere.



I find it staggering that members here wish to see that situation continue


a reply to: gortex



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 05:28 AM
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If Tony Blair sats something its probably best to do the opposite.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 05:28 AM
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But couldn't a Labour under Corbyn attract voters from minority parties like Libs, Greens etc.

IMO Labours credibility is severely damaged and a complete change could only be a good thing.
edit on 22-7-2015 by ken10 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 05:30 AM
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a reply to: theabsolutetruth




Quote who said that where on this thread.

How would things change if the situation stays the same ?
The only way to give the British people a real choice in the next election is for the Labour party to rediscover itself , be the party of the people as opposed to the Tories party of the bosses.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 05:30 AM
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originally posted by: 321Go
Socialist policies are fine as long as you can afford to implement them – without a decent economic strength there are simply not the available funds to afford such a political system. It is consistently the most expensive form of governance to implement, and is why every socialist system currently or previously in existence has failed, is in deficit, or subjects the vast majority of its population to dire poverty.



With the exeception of Denmark, Sweden, Finland and Norway all of which have some of the worlds highest standards of living and lowest deficits.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 05:37 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewok
If Tony Blair sats something its probably best to do the opposite.


Blair stated Labour could not win a GE with Milliband as Leader.

He was correct.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 05:42 AM
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a reply to: gortex

The thread is focusing on the impact of labour going left.

As for a political system overview, as has been mentioned, Labour veering left isn't the answer, it wouldn't be constructive for them as the people do not want it.

The way forward according to consensus is most probably along the lines of a politically independent England (free from SNP), closing the borders except to constructive immigration, preventing immigrants already here from getting benefits, tackling certain destructive EU policies, decreased dependence on welfare, increased opportunity, less say from Unions, less corruption etc.

A lot of which isn't the stuff of leftism. A lot of those points are being offered by Conservative and UKIP.

The way of offering a decent alternative is offering that which the nation wants. They do not want Leftism of Old Labour.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 05:45 AM
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Come on man labour are the party for benefit winners,class warfare,and militant unions or student groups marching down the streets with their placards ignorant to the fact labour bought in student fees to this country while not inflicting that in Scotland

Champaign socialists who for the most pretend to be shoulder to shoulder with their voters

There not all like that of course but at least the conservatives are more transparent


Btw I didn't vote for any of the big parties last time as has been mentioned they are all centre ground right to some extent so are just clone parties



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 05:45 AM
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a reply to: alldaylong




Blair stated Labour could not win a GE with Milliband as Leader.
He was correct.

It was hardly a revelation though was it , the seeds of Laour's downfall were already sewn by Blair himself and the subsequent coronation of Brown.
If Labour wants to save itself from the fate suffered by the Lib Dems they must regain their natural territory or risk obscurity.



posted on Jul, 22 2015 @ 05:49 AM
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They lost their biggest voters from Scotland and those in England were probably Unionists and misled students that grew up and smelled the coffee.

Their ''natural territory'' is now voting Conservative or UKIP. People have moved on from old school Labour, as has the world, it was a product of it's time and now it needs to transform and adapt or it will force the voters it had left towards Conservative or UKIP.



If Labour wants to save itself from the fate suffered by the Lib Dems they must regain their natural territory or risk obscurity.


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edit on 22-7-2015 by theabsolutetruth because: (no reason given)



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