Have you thanked a rich person lately?

originally posted by: 3n19m470
Ok. Maybe he was a good person. Maybe he got a nice tax break, enjoyed the accolades, and had a few billion stashed away.

There are over 300million people in America. Each person could give 25c and that would make $75million. So we really don't need the rich to do things like this.

Why don't you organize it then? if it is such a small amount to raise, show us how it is done and then donate all of it to make a hospital to help the poor.

But I don't personally know the guy, so maybe he is or was a great guy. Maybe he didn't live a life of extreme excess while others were homeless and starving. I can't say.

Would it matter? How many homeless people have you or people around you helped lately?

a reply to: Wetpaint72

Yeah, and Jesus kept every penny of it didn't he!

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
a reply to: Bobaganoosh

You meant 400 times more money than a worker, not 400% (=4 times the money), I am sure.

It is nice of you to point out that very minor oversight to the poster; the type of mistake that a budding skilled labor future CEO is likely to make…. (please know tongue-in-cheek)

a reply to: paraphi

Yes i see what you're saying, it's true that many do use these products while arguing against the giants massive wealth. But it's also not possible to have it both ways. People are hooked into the Matrix now and unless they want to go off the grid, have no choice but 'to buy the products' from Billionaire corporations or be left out in the rain. Nothing about it is fair, there is no middle ground when you're the king of the castle looking down on the ants laughing because you own them now.

I thought rich people were evil and we had to take their money and then. . . oh wait, that'd make me rich.

Then someone would take MY money!

OMG!

Thief!


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OP? You're right.

It was a kind and generous act. We should appreciate those that help and can afford to do so.

originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: iDope

Many hospitals and this one in particular is a non-profit. These hospitals frequently do no charge for services. Many major insurers are also non-profit as well. Unfortunately, it cost a lot of money for medical care and technology. Again, there are plenty of donors who frequently cover the care for the under privileged.

Non-profit hospitals and Insurers? LOL. Wow I would like to see one and also how much the Dr's and Insurance execs are paid per year.

a reply to: Bobaganoosh

All love and good vibes huh?

Not always....the law of polarity is always in play....for everyone.

The "wealthy" as you put it do good things because they are just good people who want to help out their fellow humans. They do this by donating to some charity. I have seen so many charities dissected lately, that I no longer believe in them. Parasites just feed off of them.. A charity can pull in millions of dollars and only tens of thousands actually go to the people in need. Those are the good cases. The bad ones, well.... you get it..

This OP is about the "wealthy" or "financially affluent", yet I recognize abundance can be realized in many forms. Some people are abundantly rich as in possessing free time, etc.

I do acknowledge that there are some who hide behind altruistic endeavours such as charities for selfish reasons as you suggest (tax breaks, laundering, profiteering). I do work with Amnesty International and some other organizations every now and then in different places around the globe and one would be surprised how much "everyday wealthy people" are there in the bunch. The world and people are not so easily lumped into a box.

Saying "some are angry toward wealthy people simply because they are wealthy" makes no sense whatsoever. Everybody has a reason to resent these creatures.

I agree, but I was coming from personal experiences and observation when stating that. The key word in that statement was "some".

Yet, you go and lump all wealthy into one group and label them "creatures". Again, I agree; it's not all good vibes and love...yeah?

Everybody....has a reason? Everybody who is not wealthy you mean. Just lumped it all into another box.

Everybody who has ever toiled the day away for ____ $'s per hour, or Gawd forbid a salary knows that without their own personal knowledge and skill, Joe CEO wouldn't be pulling down a 1.6 million dollar a year salary with a 1 million dollar christmas bonus, with 14 million in stocks and benefits.

I agree, and this is why ten years ago at the age of 18 I decided to apply my own personal limited knowledge and skill to carve out my OWN path in life. I realized looking at the older folks around me that common paths lead to common destinations, and I did not like where that train stopped. The idea of becoming a daily commuter working for another corporation in order to keep their profit margin high never resonated with me. What I'm trying to state is:

If one is that confident in their personal knowledge and skill, they would apply it to their own life to benefit themselves, and become the captain of their own ship instead regulating themselves to being one of many deck-hands. Anybody who exist within that paradigm of working for another lacks imagination and courage to APPLY their own personal knowledge and skill

Again:

without their own personal knowledge and skill, Joe CEO wouldn't be pulling down a 1.6 million dollar a year salary with a 1 million dollar christmas bonus

So, who's the fool in that situation...? Where is the gun being held to their head to do so? Some may be quick to point out external circumstances such as the economy and lack of options within society as being that gun, but again, "personal knowledge and skill" wasn't enough to become what they serve?

For instance:

Capitalism was great when the percentages were not so astronomically different. Having an average CEO make some 400% more than the skilled worker, not unskilled laborer, that makes his or her business possible is unacceptable.

*****

Those people who believe they are actually worth that much more than the "workers" should be dragged out in the street and shot. Simple.

Those who believe they are worth less will usually succumb to being an employee. These people should be pulled up by the bootstraps and apply their knowledge for their OWN gain.

On a side note: I cannot stand bankers and those who manipulate the system to make $ at the detriment of others, but there are those who come from very poor background, so poor in fact, they did not even have parents or family, and still managed to carve out their own path in life and buck the system by applying what limited knowledge and skill they possessed....due to possessing no fear and deep belief in what they were doing.

I don't give a damn about "redistribution" of currency that is nearly worthless to these creatures, I want blood. I am not alone.

When we do not take personal responsibility for the life we have created for ourselves, we tend to want to crucify others for our own lack self determination and unfulfilled dreams.

What I realized from your post is this: You bought the lie and continue to evaluate and allow your perspective to be influenced by the lie. You blame the wealthy instead of yourself....

You don't understand how fortunes are made, perhaps?
Slavery, theft, drug cartels, mafia, and underpaying and exploiting the working class, predatory lending practices, insider trading, cronyism, genocide, slavery, that list is endless.
When you are rich you then turn around and try to ease your conscience by "good works"
It buys you some good press. That way no one remembers what a lousy person you were but only that you did one good thing.
I just thought I would give you something to think about.
How do you think Rockefeller got Rich? Steve jobs sounded like a bastard, look into Apples factory conditions overseas. I bet those factory workers aren't getting a new hospital...
but if you want to make a religion of capitalism, go ahead.
a reply to: Edumakated

This thread was sponsored by your owners.

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We are the ones that every US citizen is paying 7751$ in average to every year. You should love us since we sometimes give something back to promote the idea that we are moral people. I say again we are not thieves and we always tell the objective truth. And we do own all media but it is still telling the objective truth and we have never miss used the news media as a propaganda outlet for our own good.

Trust us we are the good guys. We would not destroy educations so people would be dumbed down. You do not need to worry we are altruistic and will take care of you with our charity. It is not our fault the economic system is crashing and people are getting it worse. It is the market and we have no control over it. You are part of the democratic team. Everything is Awsome since we are living the American dream.



PS Above is Sarcasm.

a reply to: starswift

You don't understand how fortunes are made, perhaps?
Slavery, theft, drug cartels, mafia, and underpaying and exploiting the working class, predatory lending practices, insider trading, cronyism, genocide, slavery, that list is endless.

It is also made through perseverance, effort, and a deep seeded belief in self in what they are doing. Not all wealthy are crooks, and not all who live by humble means are honest.

Many people do not understand how fortunes are made and that is why they do not possess wealth (they lack imagination). I believe many confuse corporations with people....which is very poetic since in some nations, corporations have the same rights.

When you are rich you then turn around and try to ease your conscience by "good works"

Survivors guilt can arise from being the one who made it among the many. Some people simply like to send the elevator back down....that is all.

How do you think Rockefeller got Rich? Steve jobs sounded like a bastard, look into Apples factory conditions overseas. I bet those factory workers aren't getting a new hospital...
but if you want to make a religion of capitalism, go ahead.

It's called capitalism. If Steve Jobs (and Wozniak) didn't apply their knowledge and skill towards their own selves and brand, they too would of ended up a cog in the machine (an employee).

When was the last time you volunteered at a homeless shelter or hospital? Greed exist in many forms....

a reply to: Edumakated

Nobody gets on rich people who do good.


When one castigates the rich were talking about those who despoil the macro economy with their sinister exploits in banking, for example, and other manipulations that benefit the few and wreck the economy for the many, and political lobbying and what amounts to bribery of the their political puppets.


Certainly there are many wealthy people who aren’t doing this and are very charitable--to them--God bless em.

originally posted by: notmyrealname
a reply to: Wetpaint72

Yeah, and Jesus kept every penny of it didn't he!

Fu@& if I know.

originally posted by: iDope

originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: iDope

Many hospitals and this one in particular is a non-profit. These hospitals frequently do no charge for services. Many major insurers are also non-profit as well. Unfortunately, it cost a lot of money for medical care and technology. Again, there are plenty of donors who frequently cover the care for the under privileged.

Non-profit hospitals and Insurers? LOL. Wow I would like to see one and also how much the Dr's and Insurance execs are paid per year.

I see you are a quintessential Gruber voter. Non-profit hospitals account for 58% market share. Government hospitals 21% and for profit hospitals 21%.

www.modernhealthcare.com...

"Growth numbers in the for-profit sector certainly don't jump off the page. They've risen at somewhat of a tortoise's pace, according to overall hospital statistics, with gains inching along at about 1% annually during the past five years. For-profits now account for more than 20% of the nation's hospitals, according to the latest numbers from the American Hospital Association. Nongovernmental, not-for-profit hospitals have held steady at about 58%, while the share of government-owned facilities has dipped slightly to about 21%"

a reply to: Edumakated

Great story. All to often people forget about benefactors...

a reply to: skunkape23

I just realized that two days ago. Turning biz over to employees, maintaining a small footprint at work, and enjoying the fruits of my labors.

I would love to thank a rich guy for something that cool, but I don't know any at this time, besides its wealthy people I have a problem with, you know those who get away with not paying taxes, or get tax dollars after committing white collar crime to cover up that crime, I think we all know people with money are not the problem, it's a mind set of those who have acquired a lot and always want more, personally I think it's a mental illness, and there is a huge difference between being rich and wealthy I think Chris Rock explained that nicely.

originally posted by: Edumakated
He had a soft spot for children because he was seriously ill as a child, so this was his way of giving back.

Hardly laudable when clearly it was a perceived debt he was paying back to society (as distinct from an act of largess).

'It's easy to give a dollar from the hand when you have a hundred in the pocket. '

a reply to: Edumakated

Hospitals should be build by the people and used by the people. If there is need for a children's hospital, it should simply be build using taxes. That's why we tax people: to create buildings and services for the common good.

a reply to: Edumakated

Outside of true inventions, and possibly some forms of entertainment, like writing a book, the only way to become this wealthy is to exploit the people who work for you.

I do not need to thank people who have made millions, while the employees who make them wealthy live pay check to pay check.

The wealthy people that I thank are the few who understand the system and speak against it, even though they would be sacrificing their own wealth to make their socialist ideas a reality.

Our founding fathers were wealthy men, who attempted to create such a system. However a 200 year old system simply cannot keep up with technology.

Jefferson said the laws should change every 19 years, we have failed to follow this, and we are paying the price. It is not just the wealthy to blame, the system itself has created this nightmare.

a reply to: Edumakated

First of all, Great work on the ride. Kudos.

I think what upsets people most is that many rich people go out of their way to not pay their fare share, including taking their jobs offshore to avoid paying local workers a fair wage, setting up elaborate tax avoidance systems that would pay to fix the roads they travel on, and so forth.

Of course there are exceptions. Bill and Miranda Gates have donated billions, but because they are rich people are skeptical of their work (they are rich so they must be up to something) and the other person is George Lucas, who has also donated billions and still is hated because he came up with three bad movies despite the huge influence and impact he had on movie making.

Then you have Apple, who have Dickensian workshops throughout the world that pays their workers a pittance yet they can post a 50 billion dollar quarterly profit.

Yes it's true that all rich people should not be automatically scrutinized, but there are plenty that have shown why they should be.