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Originally posted by fritz
Sorry chaps. You is all wrong. The Special Air Service are the best of the best, are second to none - whoever - anywhere in the world. Period!
Originally posted by fritz
Yes the SBS do all sorts of things at sea, but then, so do the SAS. The SBS has, as one of it's TAOR's, the oil/gas rigs dotted round our shores. But SAS also practice 'recapturing' a tango held oilrig.
Where necessary, SAS/SBS work together but I can say that if there is a blue on blue (as in the Falklands) it is because both organisations are so secretive while on ops.
Originally posted by fritz
Nowadays, ALL selection is done at Creden Hill, Herefordshire. It is called 'Selection 2000'. Both the SAS and SBS recruits are trained by training staff drawn from both SF training wings. In the beginning, both SAS/SBS Instructors had a laugh at recruit's expense - trying to outdo each other by 'binnin' as many recruits as possible.
Recruits go through Selection - a 6 month course, followed by a Continuation Training Phase, a Combat & Survival Phase followed by up to 12 weeks on a non-too friendly Jungle Phase, where you learn all the above - but in the jungle.
Pass all that and you're in. But only just! A year's probation awaits successful candidates and you have to 'fit in'. Other people have to be able to work with you. If you don't fit in, then you're binned. Simple as that!
SAS/SBS cross train as much as possible. This also involves 'exchange' postings to other SF round the world. (It costs the taxpayer over Ł1.5M to train each SAS/SBS operative and it's money well spent)
Originally posted by skippytjc
You may or may not be right Ghost. The problem with the US SF is that you will never ever hear about 90% of what they have done. So much of it is clandestine. Maybe the SAS report thier operations because thats all they have done and nobody would know anything about them if they didnt?
Originally posted by Sariel
I'm suprised that there is no mention on 14 INT as they take SAS/SBS and deploy them (until recent years) in N.Ireland.So i suppose you could possibly say they are the most highly specialised unit/company that we have in the UK.
Originally posted by W4rl0rD
Did you know that the GIGN always shoots people in the leg?They are laughed on buy some (SAS and others),but they cross-train and hope to learn some of their legendary marksmen skills. Shooting someone in the leg is harder than killing someone.
Originally posted by question_reality
Delta Force is US Army, located, somewhat at Ft. Bragg. i believe the proper name is Special Forces Operational Detatchment Delta. there is info out there on them, most of which is misleading. Generally speaking, they report to the Army chain of command, but, when they are deployed on anything other than training, they report directly to the Pentagon, JSOC, as do most of the other Special Warfare Groups.
While in the Army, I went to a briefing to join SFOD, and put in my packet. at the time, I was told by the NCOIC at the Briefing, that you DID NOT have to be a Green Beret, Seal, etc, to apply and be selected, only that you had to be the proper MOS, and at least an E4 with enough points to Pass the E5 board. Although being in another Special Warfare Group didnt hurt at all. The jist of his speach was that if you passed the basic selection, ie they read what youve done in the military, pass the physical and the Physical Fitness test, pass the initail mental evaluation, meet the afore mentioned requirements, You would receive order to report to Ft Bragg to begin training. No I dont know if he meant that you went to SF selection, and after Graduation you went to further SFOD training, or if he meant you went straight to SFOD training. I do know that if you boil it down, you are SF, Green Beret. Delta Force is theoretically just as the proper name says, a seperate and highly specialized Operation Dertachment of the Green Berets. They, at least at the time, wore the Green Beret and the long tab when they wore a uniform on base. They do have a seperate compound on Ft Bragg, that is Off Limits to anyone other than the DF operators and their Resident Families. I state the previous as FACT as of October, 1998. Obviously, things may have changed quite drastically since that time, but am comfortable relaying what i was told in the briefing at that time. We were not told that any of it was confidential, but then, as vague as most of what we were told there was, I cant exactly see how it would be.
Id like to know where some of you who state that "anything other than what i know is a lie", where are you getting your info from? were you ever in Delta? Did you ever even put in a packet for selection? Did you ever attend the briefing like I have attended? I will agree that a lot of info out there is bogus, but there is info out there that the military isnt trying to keep secret. They arent going ot go into detail about any training, or even generally where they are stationed, and if anyone ever says that they had gone Black, obviously they are full of something brown and smelly. But dont immediatly discredit someone for knowing something a little more than what your internet searches have turned up.
The S-13 is based upon the Naval Brigade of the Jewish pre-military Haganah. Only in the 1970's it was professionalized as a naval SF unit and elite CT force. During the following decades the S-13 based its reputation as the second best elite SF in the IDF.
The S-13 took part in Operation Spring of Youth of 1973 in which Israeli special forces raided Beirut secretly overnight and killed some of the members of Black September, which had carried out the Munich Massacre of Israeli athletes in the Munich 1972 Summer Olympics.
Beside its great successes, the S-13 has also known great tragedies.
On September 8, 1997 the unit suffered a serious blow during a raid in Lebanon, when it was caught in a Hezbollah ambush and 11 of its soldiers were killed, including the unit commander.
In recent years, it was discovered that S-13 veterans had high occurrence of cancer, probably due to training in the polluted Kishon River & Haifa Bay. A commission for investigating the matter didn't find statistical evidences that the diving in the Kishon caused the cancer. However, Minister of Defence, Shaul Mofaz, decided to compensate the divers' families in spite of the commission findings.
Despite all of this, the S-13 is still considered as the best elite SF unit in the Israeli Defence Force and has strong positive reputation within the Israeli public.
Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Thats BS Its no harder to shoot someone in the leg its just stupid. If you shoot a terrorist in the leg he is still going to lace you up with automatic fire. You shoot to kill not to wound are you get killed. Any time you should have to fire you weapon is because of a lethal threat and you dont shoot to wound in those cases.
There is many cases were GIGN have used lethal force. On Dec 26,1994 on a third day of a hijacking that already seen 3 of 177 hostages murdered GIGN stormed the plane, all terrorist were killed.
This is from a member of GIGN
"GIGN are trained in the principle of the single aimed shot that is taking out enemy in a single accurate round. Infact if there are alot of hostages, we prefer to eliminate as many adversaries as possible in a simultaneous sinper volley."- Antoine Delmas*
*name has been changed
-source MAXIM march 2001 pg 138