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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
I don't get it.
This is America, we're fanatical over calling our military members heroes. One of the quickest ways to commit career suicide is to insult a military member.
Why is this different with McCain?
Because Trump said it?
So now the same conservatives that jump down anyone's throat for not supporting the military 150% are excusing Trump on this?
originally posted by: notmyrealname
a reply to: MystikMushroom
I believe the media are the ones that presented only part of what Trump said in order to skew public opinion:
Misleading Media
Besides, this thread is not about Trump which is why I separated the two topics.
Thanks for your opinion.
originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: notmyrealname
He was beaten and tortured and lived in tiny cages among other places so small that he could hardly sit....day, months, years...being poked by animals and some tortured ways I wont describe here...and was shot down and crashed....and never gave up or gave in.
And you did what during Nam? Iraq? Kuwait? Afghanistan? I see....
originally posted by: Boscowashisnamo
a reply to: notmyrealname
You post your opinion on this topic, and present it in a way to stimulate conversation--why should you be "flamed"?
That said, the following facts are well established, and are historical record:
--McCain trained as a Naval aviator, and as such made carrier landings, night traps included. The pucker factor is high-end there, and something only a minority of our country and service members are capable of doing;
--He narrowly escaped death from an errant missile while serving on the USS Forrestal in 1967;
--He flew combat missions deep in enemy territory during Viet Nam War;
--He was shot down, captured and housed in the infamous Hanoi Hilton, eventually released;
--He earned the DFC and other citations for actions while serving.
Does he deserve to be called a hero? If the criteria is based on his capture and captivity only, mayhap. I personally am not able or capable of doing the things he has, and based on the above listings, I would call him a hero--that's just my opinion.
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
I don't get it.
This is America, we're fanatical over calling our military members heroes. One of the quickest ways to commit career suicide is to insult a military member.
Why is this different with McCain?
Because Trump said it?
So now the same conservatives that jump down anyone's throat for not supporting the military 150% are excusing Trump on this?
LOL Trump. I wouldn;t listen to him about what brand of socks to buy.
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: notmyrealname
He was beaten and tortured and lived in tiny cages among other places so small that he could hardly sit....day, months, years...being poked by animals and some tortured ways I wont describe here...and was shot down and crashed....and never gave up or gave in.
And you did what during Nam? Iraq? Kuwait? Afghanistan? I see....
See? He did do that and he put up a strong resistance, even heroic, but does that make him a "war hero?" It makes him a heroic survivor certainly and tough SOB. And he deserves a measure of respect for stepping up to the plate and serving when others like, ummm, Mr. Hillary Clinton ran away to Canada.
But when you think war hero, do think of someone who was a captive? It's a fair question. I think there are different types of heroism and heroic feats.
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: notmyrealname
There is a lot of chatter here on ATS regarding comments made regarding Senator McCain (America's longest serving Senator) regarding whether he is a war hero or not due to his more than 5 year detention under the Viet Cong. I personally do not believe in the currently portrayed opinion that being captured automatically 'earns' anyone the designation of 'War Hero' and decided to take at look at other threads to see what ATS has to say about it. After looking around I am even more firm in my opinion on the matter and would like to hear any comments that would lead me to change my opinion (and no, repeating the same thing over and over will not get me to change my opinion).
Here are some of the relevant threads on Senator McCain war related matters:
John McCain Killed 167 US Navy sailors?
Obama hits McCain's military credentials via Proxy
This thread never went anywhere in 2008 however it still stands to be debunked in any way:
McCain and the POW Cover-up
This thread definitely has a Pro McCain is a hero slant to it:
McCain was not tortured, PoW guard claims
I will be flamed by some and may actually draw the ire of those that will seek to make me angry; so be it. I personally do not believe the current trend in the US which seems to want to make every player in the game a 'winner' regardless of whether they won or not. I do not agree that losing is something to be ashamed of however it is not something to be proud of. If ATS has other opinions on these things, let them fly:
If the man was a POW for 5 years, he is a war hero. And see: Coming from a Liberal Progressive possibly with socialist leanings.
originally posted by: FyreByrd
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: notmyrealname
There is a lot of chatter here on ATS regarding comments made regarding Senator McCain (America's longest serving Senator) regarding whether he is a war hero or not due to his more than 5 year detention under the Viet Cong. I personally do not believe in the currently portrayed opinion that being captured automatically 'earns' anyone the designation of 'War Hero' and decided to take at look at other threads to see what ATS has to say about it. After looking around I am even more firm in my opinion on the matter and would like to hear any comments that would lead me to change my opinion (and no, repeating the same thing over and over will not get me to change my opinion).
Here are some of the relevant threads on Senator McCain war related matters:
John McCain Killed 167 US Navy sailors?
Obama hits McCain's military credentials via Proxy
This thread never went anywhere in 2008 however it still stands to be debunked in any way:
McCain and the POW Cover-up
This thread definitely has a Pro McCain is a hero slant to it:
McCain was not tortured, PoW guard claims
I will be flamed by some and may actually draw the ire of those that will seek to make me angry; so be it. I personally do not believe the current trend in the US which seems to want to make every player in the game a 'winner' regardless of whether they won or not. I do not agree that losing is something to be ashamed of however it is not something to be proud of. If ATS has other opinions on these things, let them fly:
If the man was a POW for 5 years, he is a war hero. And see: Coming from a Liberal Progressive possibly with socialist leanings.
Generally in line with you. Granted he was a POW for 5 years and deserveds respect. But he is not a 'War Hero' if there is truly any such thing as my father (holder of sliver and bronze stars) was always quick to say.
originally posted by: notmyrealname
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
I don't get it.
This is America, we're fanatical over calling our military members heroes. One of the quickest ways to commit career suicide is to insult a military member.
Why is this different with McCain?
Because Trump said it?
So now the same conservatives that jump down anyone's throat for not supporting the military 150% are excusing Trump on this?
LOL Trump. I wouldn;t listen to him about what brand of socks to buy.
Who would you consult about buying socks?
Sorry just had to.