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Senator John McCain is Not a War Hero

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posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 06:53 PM
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There is a lot of chatter here on ATS regarding comments made regarding Senator McCain (America's longest serving Senator) regarding whether he is a war hero or not due to his more than 5 year detention under the Viet Cong. I personally do not believe in the currently portrayed opinion that being captured automatically 'earns' anyone the designation of 'War Hero' and decided to take at look at other threads to see what ATS has to say about it. After looking around I am even more firm in my opinion on the matter and would like to hear any comments that would lead me to change my opinion (and no, repeating the same thing over and over will not get me to change my opinion).

Here are some of the relevant threads on Senator McCain war related matters:

John McCain Killed 167 US Navy sailors?

Obama hits McCain's military credentials via Proxy

This thread never went anywhere in 2008 however it still stands to be debunked in any way:
McCain and the POW Cover-up

This thread definitely has a Pro McCain is a hero slant to it:
McCain was not tortured, PoW guard claims

I will be flamed by some and may actually draw the ire of those that will seek to make me angry; so be it. I personally do not believe the current trend in the US which seems to want to make every player in the game a 'winner' regardless of whether they won or not. I do not agree that losing is something to be ashamed of however it is not something to be proud of. If ATS has other opinions on these things, let them fly:




posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 06:57 PM
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a reply to: notmyrealname

yes Indeed , I am of the opinion "Who -cares"" ......


He's just another Mover and Shaker parasite who's interest are not of the people.



posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 07:01 PM
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I agree. Nothing I know of the man's service was "heroic" in any way.



posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 07:04 PM
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a reply to: Kapusta
I made the thread to see who does care as other threads were so adamant about the issue things kept getting off target. In the 'grand scheme' of things, I think the man is a POS and really can't figure out why he keeps getting elected. Who knows, if we figure that out, maybe we can fins a 'rosetta stone' to fixing our country….



posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 07:06 PM
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a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

Thank you for your insight; I don't always agree however, I respect the intellect displayed within your posts.


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posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 07:06 PM
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a reply to: notmyrealname

I, personally, do not agree with Trumps characterization of McCain. McCain is a nut, but his service to his country should not be questioned.

Now that being said, many have slandered McCain's service, especially when he ran for president.

The same people who *gasp* at the thought of Trump saying anything were the same people who insulted McCain in '08.

Many in the media AND HERE also slam, insult us vets on a regular basis.

They aren't banned, those in the media aren't ridiculed.

So why is it all of a sudden, a terrible thing for Trump to say?



posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 07:07 PM
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This doesn't make it sound like he was very dedicated or anything special.



posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 07:09 PM
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a reply to: notmyrealname

If you are the same age as McCain and served in the military you have my respect.

If are under 55 years and did not serve, then you are a "revisionist" on drugs.



posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 07:10 PM
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Whether or not anyone considers him a Hero is up to them. However, I think anyone who serves in the military during war time still deserves the respect of those people they were fighting for. Even if the war is unjust, soldiers are there for what they believe is right almost always. So they still deserve a degree of respect. I don't even like McCain or his position on just about everything, but wouldn't make light of his service or what he's been through.

Coming from a guy like Trump who hasn't served anyone but himself it's even worse. Trump wouldn't make it 5 days as a POW let alone 5 years.



posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 07:11 PM
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Let me rephrase Trump's comment. He was really saying "If you are stupid enough to get capture you are too stupid to be on my team". I don't think it really matters and Trump used the wrong analogy, also it is funny that Trump is an idiot calling another person an idiot...



posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 07:12 PM
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originally posted by: notmyrealname
There is a lot of chatter here on ATS regarding comments made regarding Senator McCain (America's longest serving Senator) regarding whether he is a war hero or not due to his more than 5 year detention under the Viet Cong. I personally do not believe in the currently portrayed opinion that being captured automatically 'earns' anyone the designation of 'War Hero' and decided to take at look at other threads to see what ATS has to say about it. After looking around I am even more firm in my opinion on the matter and would like to hear any comments that would lead me to change my opinion (and no, repeating the same thing over and over will not get me to change my opinion).

Here are some of the relevant threads on Senator McCain war related matters:

John McCain Killed 167 US Navy sailors?

Obama hits McCain's military credentials via Proxy

This thread never went anywhere in 2008 however it still stands to be debunked in any way:
McCain and the POW Cover-up

This thread definitely has a Pro McCain is a hero slant to it:
McCain was not tortured, PoW guard claims

I will be flamed by some and may actually draw the ire of those that will seek to make me angry; so be it. I personally do not believe the current trend in the US which seems to want to make every player in the game a 'winner' regardless of whether they won or not. I do not agree that losing is something to be ashamed of however it is not something to be proud of. If ATS has other opinions on these things, let them fly:


If the man was a POW for 5 years, he is a war hero. And see: Coming from a Liberal Progressive possibly with socialist leanings.



posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 07:14 PM
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"I have tremendous respect for McCain but I don't buy the war hero thing. Anybody can be captured. I thought the idea was to capture them. As far as I'm concerned he sat out the war,"


Al Franken in 2000 satirized McCain's war hero status



posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 07:14 PM
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a reply to: notmyrealname

He was beaten and tortured and lived in tiny cages among other places so small that he could hardly sit....day, months, years...being poked by animals and some tortured ways I wont describe here...and was shot down and crashed....and never gave up or gave in.

And you did what during Nam? Iraq? Kuwait? Afghanistan? I see....
edit on 21-7-2015 by mysterioustranger because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 07:15 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: notmyrealname

I, personally, do not agree with Trumps characterization of McCain. McCain is a nut, but his service to his country should not be questioned.

Now that being said, many have slandered McCain's service, especially when he ran for president.

The same people who *gasp* at the thought of Trump saying anything were the same people who insulted McCain in '08.

Many in the media AND HERE also slam, insult us vets on a regular basis.

They aren't banned, those in the media aren't ridiculed.

So why is it all of a sudden, a terrible thing for Trump to say?


I agree; I have never been a fan of Trump or even cared for that matter.

It seems to me that McCain has led a lifetime of having things handed to him. He went to the Navy Academy and it is not a stretch to say that Daddy & Grandpa had much to do with his getting accepted. He did poorly in school however graduated to go on and do poorly in the military.

All of these things are simply my point of view and really would not matter but for the fact that he chose the spotlight of public office. His decisions are generally of the severe and non humane types which may have been caused by trauma.

I may empathize for his suffering however I do not give him credit for being any type of hero.

Did not know you were a Veteran Bezzer, nice to know that.



posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 07:17 PM
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a reply to: notmyrealname

I feel he merits the same respect for serving as anyone else does. I have no problems with the hero label for him.

I also feel he uses/or is given too much leeway for that service/heroism. He is well past his prime and should move on and let someone younger take his seat.

Thank you for your service, Senator. Don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out.....



posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 07:18 PM
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a reply to: reldra

I respect your opinion and would like to see your views after you read this:

www.theamericanconservative.com...

Remember this is coming from a conservative venue….



posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 07:20 PM
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I don't get it.

This is America, we're fanatical over calling our military members heroes. One of the quickest ways to commit career suicide is to insult a military member.

Why is this different with McCain?

Because Trump said it?

So now the same conservatives that jump down anyone's throat for not supporting the military 150% are excusing Trump on this?
edit on 21-7-2015 by MystikMushroom because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 07:26 PM
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originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: notmyrealname

He was beaten and tortured and lived in tiny cages among other places so small that he could hardly sit....day, months, years...being poked by animals and some tortured ways I wont describe here...and was shot down and crashed....and never gave up or gave in.

And you did what during Nam? Iraq? Kuwait? Afghanistan? I see....


So by your definition the prisoners that were held in Guantanamo Bay and other facilities are heroes in their own countries? Does it take special courage or special abilities to do that job and become a hero? There are many accounts that have stated that he did give in.

It is not relevant or anyone's business as I am not running for public office however, I served during the Shield/Storm conflict was injured and medically retired; trust me you do not want to go there.



posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 07:27 PM
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a reply to: notmyrealname

You post your opinion on this topic, and present it in a way to stimulate conversation--why should you be "flamed"?
That said, the following facts are well established, and are historical record:

--McCain trained as a Naval aviator, and as such made carrier landings, night traps included. The pucker factor is high-end there, and something only a minority of our country and service members are capable of doing;
--He narrowly escaped death from an errant missile while serving on the USS Forrestal in 1967;
--He flew combat missions deep in enemy territory during Viet Nam War;
--He was shot down, captured and housed in the infamous Hanoi Hilton, eventually released;
--He earned the DFC and other citations for actions while serving.

Does he deserve to be called a hero? If the criteria is based on his capture and captivity only, mayhap. I personally am not able or capable of doing the things he has, and based on the above listings, I would call him a hero--that's just my opinion.



posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 07:31 PM
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originally posted by: notmyrealname
a reply to: reldra

I respect your opinion and would like to see your views after you read this:

www.theamericanconservative.com...

Remember this is coming from a conservative venue….


I read it. Now, it is surprising to me that POWS could still be left behind, but more than plausible. I am not sure why the article is so tied to McCain though. He was a combat pilot at the time. I am guessing many high level coverups. Some he could have learned about since, that would mean his death, now, if he uncovered them.

I have never liked him. I just think a POW is a war hero. There have been a lot.




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