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U.N. slams U.S. as 'stingy' over tsunami aid!

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posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by ShadowXIX
"The United States, the world's largest economy, contributes about 0.13 a year of its GDP to development aid. But that figure excludes aid to Iraq and Afghanistan as well as food aid, where the United States is the world's largest donor."

Why is food aid excluded from those figures? You would think food is on of the most important factors in aide without it you die quite quickly.
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Maybe it's because you also contribute a healthy amount of shooting the local populace and bombing the crap out of stuff. Or maybe it's the whole invasion thing, I don't know.

All this BS over the UN calling the West stingy... it's true. People are much more likely to get a pizza than send some money overseas. I saw a story tonight on the television...CBC, I think. In three days, canadians have donated close to 3 million dollars to private organizations. Makes me proud, but also kinda sad. It's a lot of money, but people don't realize that its nowhere near enough. These people need help -RIGHT NOW- and you're sitting here being petty and bashing the UN. Twists me up inside to see the priorities of the American population once you insinuate that people need their help.

DE




posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by Trent
Australia has only given 10 million so far which i think is a bit stingy, although the government says it will be giving more. I don't see what the wait is for we should give more aid money right now so that it can be used to ease the suffering. Considering how much we spend on wars and stuff 10 mil is nothing, it wouldn't even buy a jet fighter. I really hope we show some true generosity to our neighbours and help them a lot.


Uh, you kidding?

Rich countries poor at lending a hand



Australia has already donated $10 million to the relief effort, with more help to come.

Britain has chipped in only $A1.7 million, barely topping the $1.5 million that Victoria [One Australian state] pledged yesterday.

Canada has promised $A2.5 million, Germany and Spain $A1.77 million each and France $A177,000, while Japan has offered an emergency medical team to Sri Lanka and a damage assessment group to Indonesia. The United States has given $A19.6 million.




"The US have given twice as much as Australia in dollar terms, but given their population is about 13 times our size, Australia has probably been the most generous, most responsive donor so far," Mr Hewett said.


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posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 07:21 PM
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Sorry to burst your bubble on bad US aid giving but the Bill Gates foundation donated over 1.18 Billion in 2003 which is more than many of those COUNTRIES listed as giving aid and that's only one and we have many.

The Red Cross has put out no figures that I could find of recent, post Tsunami donations by the US populace but I suspect it is massive and that alone will dwarf most aid.

Also, the points were made - all of the food aid and other in kind stuff - the planes and ships and manpower to move it cost money and that is never accounted for in those aid figures. Lot's of those countries do not have the means to move stuff so they just give cash. We have the logistics and it costs - ever fill up a Globemaster or C5 Galaxy or C130 or a cargo ship - $$



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by DeusEx

Originally posted by ShadowXIX
"The United States, the world's largest economy, contributes about 0.13 a year of its GDP to development aid. But that figure excludes aid to Iraq and Afghanistan as well as food aid, where the United States is the world's largest donor."

Why is food aid excluded from those figures? You would think food is on of the most important factors in aide without it you die quite quickly.
[edit on 28-12-2004 by ShadowXIX]


Maybe it's because you also contribute a healthy amount of shooting the local populace and bombing the crap out of stuff. Or maybe it's the whole invasion thing, I don't know.


DE


Notice I didnt ask why Iraq or Afghanistan aid was exculded rather why food aid was exculded. The US gives food aid to many countries besides those two and they are excluded.



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 08:08 PM
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As long as we're $7 TRILLION dollars in debt, I wouldn't give money to anyone. This is NOT a rich country, this is an utterly bankrupt country.



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by D_Hoffman
As long as we're $7 TRILLION dollars in debt, I wouldn't give money to anyone. This is NOT a rich country, this is an utterly bankrupt country.


Well, OECD data for 2002 show this - debt as % of GDP. Even if we've clawed up a bit (I can't find more recent data) we're not so bad off and many are MUCH worse....

Japan 134.7
Greece 117.5
Belgium 101.1
Italy 100.2
Portugal 61.3
Austria 60.6
Hungary 55.1
Turkey 54.3
Denmark 52.1
France 50.9
Sweden 49.5
Spain 45.2
Netherlands 43.4
Poland 42.5
Finland 42.4
United Kingdom 40.4
Canada 38.6
Iceland 37
Germany 36.6
Slovak Republic 35.4
United States 33.7
New Zealand 29.1
Switzerland 28.6
Ireland 27.6
Mexico 24.5
Korea 21.2
Norway 19.1
Czech Republic 17.4
Australia 9.2
Luxembourg 2.9



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 08:31 PM
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Considering that $40 million is being wasted,err, spent on the Bush inauguration, I would say that the US must have some additional money lying around somewhere to send to these devastated countries.



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Well it seems that US got the hint and is going to be very generous alright, not only on money but on supplies as well, and lets no forget that US citizens are very generous also, when religious organizations get together to collect money also.


Marg do you really believe that the US would not have helped to the best of our ability if it hadn't been suggested that we were stingy?

You are an American and know that America is always first at every disaster. And that is only the country, the soul of Americans.

There is no point in waiting until the religious organizations get to you with their request. Why not take matters into your own hands and make a donation.

I goggled Catholic Relief Services and made my donation. Call up the organization you trust and send your donation. Catholic Relief Services has already donated $500,000.



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 09:04 PM
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Yeah - and I think I said earlier (or another thread) that countries have to INVITE us in for the military to do their thing as we have treaties that require a formal nod to give us landing/docking rights. Most countries kind flinch when our stuff is zipping around and it is the military that has the big iron to move lot's of supplies. If you read below - we were invited and a whole carrier strike group is en route!!




U.S. Pacific Command is sending a forward command element (FCE) to Utapao, Thailand, to establish the command, control and communication structure for Joint Task Force 536 (JTF 536).

Thailand's decision to allow use of this Thai military facility is welcomed. The U.S. intends to use, with Thailand's cooperation, this military facility as a regional support center for emergency and medical personnel providing assistance throughout the region as well as a staging area for U.S. military and rescue aircraft, forensic experts, and other relief assistance.

The FCE and follow-on JTF will coordinate U.S. military relief efforts in the region. The FCE and JTF will work with the U.S. Department of State, the U.S. Agency for International Development, host nations and humanitarian relief agencies to identify requirements and coordinate relief efforts.

The focus of the mission will be to prevent further loss of life and human suffering by expeditiously applying resources to the overall relief effort. The FCE team is comprised mainly of personnel from the III Marine Expeditionary Force. Additional personnel will be deployed from other locations in the Pacific command area of responsibility.

U.S. military relief efforts include:

* U.S. Air Force C-130 cargo aircraft in Yokota, Japan, loaded with relief supplies are expected to deploy to Utapao, Royal Thai Air Force Base, Thailand.

* U.S. Navy deployed P-3 aircraft from Kadena, Japan, to operate in the vicinity of Thailand with Utapao, Royal Thai Air Force Base, serving as a hub for operations.

* Other forces enroute to the region that could be committed to relief efforts, if necessary, include USS Abraham Lincoln Carrier Strike Group, including USS Shoup, USS Shiloh, USS Benfold, and USNS Ranier and USS Bonhomme Richard Expeditionary Strike Group, including USS Duluth, USS Milius, USS Rushmore, USS Thach, USS Pasadena and USCG Munro.

* U.S. Air Force will deploy KC-135 aircraft from Japan and Guam to provide assistance as directed.



Link for more docs on what the mil is doing and I give'em two thumbs up and no this is not included in the stated aid package...:

www.pacom.mil...



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 10:09 PM
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The entire EU has gave a whopping $4.6 million while the US has gave 15 million with a planned 20 million more so it will be 35 million. Japan has also planned to give $30 million.


the government of the Netherlands alone gave 4 million for AID! sorry Shadow, this is not true, the EU gave alot more money...

Unicef and other companies are raising money and in Holland alone there will be massive TV programs for raising money...it happened when Turkey had it's earthquake in 1999...Europe takes aid very seriously, esspecially Holland since the whole world helped us when our southern province was flooded...

the EU as far as I can see is a GOOD thing, sure we won't agree to everything, but remember, the EU is a US initiative...



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 10:32 PM
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This might be of interest to some here being that the U.S. aid package, that will undoubtedly increase from $35 million, does not, in no way, cover or include the monies that will be given by the American general public as donations:


The U.S. government is always near the top in total humanitarian aid dollars - even before private donations are counted - but it finishes near the bottom of the list of rich countries when that money is compared to gross national product.

The chief of U.S. Agency for International Development, which distributes foreign aid, was quick to point out Tuesday that foreign assistance for development and emergency relief rose from $10 billion in President Clinton's last year to $24 billion under President Bush in 2003. Secretary of State Colin Powell said assistance for this week's earthquake and tsunamis alone will eventually exceed $1 billion.

Stingy Americans?: U.N. Official's Comment Hits Nerve of American Charity

Furthermore, the American general public gave nearly $241 Billion to charity, which also incorporates disaster relief, etc. last year.


American individuals, estates, foundations, and corporations gave an estimated $240.72 billion to charitable causes in 2003, according to Giving USA 2004, a study released by Giving USA Foundation. This is an increase of 2.8 percent over a revised estimate of $234.09 billion for 2002. This is the highest rate of growth seen since 2000. Adjusted for inflation, 2003 giving rose 0.5 percent from 2002, slightly below the inflation-adjusted growth rate of 0.6 percent from 2001 to 2002. Giving USA, the annual report on philanthropy, is published by Giving USA Foundation, a public service initiative of the Trust for Philanthropy of the American Association of Fundraising Counsel (AAFRC). The study is researched and written by the Center on Philanthropy at Indiana University.

Since 1998, charitable giving has been 2 percent or more of gross domestic product (GDP) following more than two decades below that mark. For 2003, total contributions are estimated to be 2.2 percent of GDP. The all-time high was 2.3 percent of GDP in 2000.

AAFRC Trust Press Releases



seekerof

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posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 10:43 PM
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What other nation contributed to the relief of American losses from the hurricanes we endure every year? If they want our help in these other countries, they should remember us in times of need too! I get sickened by the ideal that we Americans owe everyone else so much charity, when we tend to bare the burdon of OUR shortcomings on our own. They dont seem to care about the needs of the poor Iraqi citizens, when we could use their help in aiding them. They boycott our products worldwide, over tax us for exports, and badmouth us at every opportunity, yet flood our borders to live here tax free, and get free welfare, and free educations only to be used against us in the future.
I guess I cant speak for all or maybe even most Americans, but I, for one, think I already pay way too much in taxes, and recieve too little benefit in return- Bad enough, my government rips me off as bad as they do,but to have some other jerk tell me that I should pay more of what little money I have left over for my bills, when I am eating ramen noodles for months, angers me. I have been to France twice, and they live much freer lives than we do, and they have national healthcare, less terminal disease,jobs that pay the bills, and less people starving than we do here in America. The problem is that non-Americans think we all live like movie stars or politicians. What is that, about .06235% of us that actually do live that way?
Sorry everyone, but I am really sick of hearing how rich and lazy we Americans are as if we are just born here with everything we want (and need). How evil we are. How stingy we are-when that is as slanderous as it gets! If they think we are so stingy, then let it be true-make all of those countries pay us back for all we have gave them in history, and let them fend for themselves, while we give it back to our own people that worked so hard for it, and probably deserve it more!



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 10:50 PM
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This Wash Post article, which is highly critical of Bush, sandwiches in the fact that the USS Abraham Lincoln has left port to aid the relief effort between lines from good ol' bubba Clinton:
www.washingtonpost.com...

Now, am I the only person who thinks that sending an aircarft carrier battle group to a tsunami region means a lot more than glamming it up in front of the BBC?



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 10:52 PM
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The United States uses the most common measure of the Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a group of 30 rich nations that counts development aid.

By that measure, the United States spent almost $15.8 billion for "official development assistance" to developing countries in 2003. Next closest was Japan, at $8.9 billion.

That doesn't include billions more the United States spends in other areas such as AIDS and HIV programs and other U.N. assistance.



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 10:55 PM
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The White House also defended the U.S. record of giving.

"We outmatch the contributions of other nations combined; we'll continue to do so," Bush spokesman Trent Duffy told reporters in Crawford, Texas, where the president is spending a post-Christmas vacation at his ranch.

Natsios said the Paris organization's figures overlook a key factor - the billions more Americans give each year in private donations.

Americans last year gave an estimated $241 billion to charitable causes - domestic and foreign - according to a study by Giving USA Foundation. That's up from $234 billion in 2002. The foundation did not break down how much was for domestic causes and how much for foreign.

"That's a European standard, this percentage that's used," Natsios said. "The United States, for 40 years, has never accepted these standards that it should be based on the gross national product. We base it on the actual dollars that we spent."

"The reason is that our gross national product is so enormous. And our growth rates are so much higher than the other wealthy nations."



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 11:31 PM
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UN, what good are they for America? They cause us nothing but trouble. And their lil army, their soldiers running around with UN gear, they look awfully american to me. What would the UN be if it wasnt for america? They are always complaining about America. I complain about America. I didnt vote for our president and I disagree with lots of our political stances. I was born here, I Live here and I wouldnt want to be anywhere else because of all that this country has done for me. But I dont get on TV or annouce personally(maybe on here but not personally) to the world on how bad this country is. UN should be greatful we let their slimy @sses sit in New York and do nothing for the World. American has done its share of harm in the past and will do in the future. But we've helped many a country out by giving the ultimate cost. american lives. 85% of the wars we have been apart of have not been to benefit us. but other countries. Stingy is bruning down the UN building and giving the foreign dipolmats a canoe to ride home in...

Its sad what happened over there. all my sympathy is sent to those people. but is it America's place to jump every time someone else has trouble? We have done a lot. we're fighting a war across the world. so the UN should be happy even if we sent them a nickel to help out... Next Time the UN calls america stingy they should be forced to sell that big friggin metal globe that got outside their building. around here that would bring about a 1000 dollars worth of scrap metal. I been inside their buildings, its all fancy and elaborate. they need to rethink their budget, less on eye candy for tourist of their building and more on Tidal Wave victims!



posted on Dec, 29 2004 @ 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by ShadowXIX
The entire EU has gave a whopping $4.6 million while the US has gave 15 million with a planned 20 million more so it will be 35 million. Japan has also planned to give $30 million.

How are we stingy again


Where did you even get those figures from?
Did you just make them up?

The original article says "the European Union's executive arm releasing $4 million in emergency aid and pledging an additional $27 million. Canada and several European nations including Spain, Germany, Ireland and Belgium each pledged about $1 million yesterday."

That's a lot more than $4.6 million.

Here's some more information on the donations so far:



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AUSTRALIA: Australia sent four air force transport planes with supplies and medical specialists to the western Indonesian island of Sumatra and committed US$7.6 million to the international relief effort.

BELGIUM: The government is sending a military airbus with 22 tons of aid from Medecins Sans Frontieres and UNICEF to Sri Lanka.

BRITAIN: London sent an aircraft with plastic sheets and tents worth 250,000 pounds (US$481,500) to Sri Lanka. It said it was contributing 370,000 (US$712,000) pounds to the EU aid effort and a further US$100,000 to the World Health Organization for relief efforts.

CANADA: Canada said it would make an initial contribution of 1 million Canadian dollars (US$814,300) to an appeal for some US$6.5 million by the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC).

CHINA: The government will offer 21.6 million yuan (US$2.6 mi-llion) worth of emergency huma-nitarian aid to India, Indonesia, Thailand, Sri Lanka and the Maldives,

CZECH REPUBLIC: Prague dispatched a plane to Sri Lanka with drinking water. Officials said overall aid worth US$444,400 would be sent.

EUROPEAN UNION: The European Commission pledged 3 million euros (US$4.06 million) and said it could mobilize up to 30 million euros (US$4.06 million) for rapid distribution to aid groups.

FRANCE: Foreign Minister Michel Barnier is heading to Sri Lanka and Thailand on a flight carrying aid. Paris has earmarked 100,000 euros (US$135,000) for initial rescue efforts in Thailand and has sent a plane with about 100 rescue workers and five tons of aid to Sri Lanka.

GERMANY: Germany said it was contributing 1 million euros (US$1.35 million) of emergency aid to the international effort and taking part in the EU programme. It sent a disaster relief team to Sri Lanka.

GREECE: Greece has offered Sri Lanka medical assistance, including 17 doctors and staff.

ISRAEL: Israel sent a medical team with medicines and equipment to Sri Lanka and another to Thailand. It also planned to send a military search and rescue team to Sri Lanka.

JAPAN: Japan will provide around US$30 million in aid to countries hit by an Indian Ocean tsunami that killed more than 29,000 people, and will send three navy vessels to waters off Thailand to help rescue survivors.

KUWAIT: The Kuwaiti cabi-net agreed to send aid supplies worth US$1 million to the affected region.

NETHERLANDS: The Nether-lands said it was contributing 2 million euros (US$2.7 million) to the Red Cross-Red Crescent appeal, above and beyond its participation in the overall EU programme.

SINGAPORE: Singapore said it would contribute around US$1.2 million to the global effort, and had armed forces medical teams and relief supplies ready to fly to Indonesia.

SPAIN: Madrid is sending a plane with first aid and sanitary equipment to Sri Lanka. It has promised 1 million euros (US$1.35 million) for aid and planes.

SWEDEN: Sweden sent two communications specialists to help UN relief efforts in Sri Lanka, and said it was sending tents and communications equipment to the Maldives. The Swedish Red Cross said it would contribute US$750,000 to the global IFRC appeal.

UNITED ARAB EMIRATES: The government pledged US$2 million in aid and its Red Crescent was planning to send three plane-loads of aid.

UNITED STATES: The United States said it planned to provide an initial US$15 million in aid and had already released US$100,000 each to India, Indonesia, Sri Lanka and the Maldives. It said the US Pacific Command had sent three patrol aircraft to assess damage.

IMF: The head of the Interna-tional Monetary Fund said he intended to provide assistance.

UNHCR: The UN's refugee agency said it was providing homeless in Sri Lanka with 18,000 pieces of plastic sheeting, 17,000 plastic mats, rope and non-food relief packages for 2,000 families.

UNICEF: It was distributing clothing and more than 30,000 blankets and sleeping mats in Sri Lanka and 1,600 water tanks, 30,000 blankets, medical supplies and hundreds of thousands of water purification pills in India.

UN DEVELOPMENT PRO-GRAMME: The UNDP provided US$100,000 each to Sri Lanka, India, Indonesia, the Maldives and Thailand to help them assess and co-ordinate emergency needs.


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[edit on 29-12-2004 by AceOfBase]



posted on Dec, 29 2004 @ 12:36 AM
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Well, you're coughing up hundreds of billions to try and "build democracy".

How about you spare 1% of that cash alone. It'd probably be enough to fund the entire effort.



posted on Dec, 29 2004 @ 12:53 AM
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AOB, your quoted material regarding the EU says:


EUROPEAN UNION: The European Commission pledged 3 million euros (US$4.06 million) and said it could mobilize up to 30 million euros (US$4.06 million) for rapid distribution to aid groups.


How does "could" equate to 'would,' in regards to "pledged"?
Let's not take the Washington Times at it's word, lets see and read what the EU is exactly saying. Link?

Despite this, the aid and amounts will vary and change and will not be fully up-to-date, as noticed again by your quote.
Personally, all this blow-hard crap on who is giving what is all symantics.
Let's just get the aid and relief there, ASAP!





seekerof

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posted on Dec, 29 2004 @ 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by Seekerof

Personally, all this blow-hard crap on who is giving what is all symantics.
Let's just get the aid and relief there, ASAP!


seekerof

[edit on 29-12-2004 by Seekerof]


Agreed



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