Flat Earth Believers, I would like to hear your ideas.

a reply to: MatterOfPerspective

sigh - reposting EVERYING for each alter ego is getting tiresome - but :

simply observe the moon at a given time - then 4 hours later - observe it again - and note the apparent changes

here - helpfull graphic :



red lines = your view of the moon at time A

purple lines = your view of the moon at A +4 hours [ IF the flat earth delusion is true ]

bonus blue line - the observation of the moon from a point 6300km from you at A+4 HOURS

you should never have made the claim that you know the distance - you avoided it previously - but hey - one slip

observation wins - flat earth cult fails

now - are you going to address this - or pull another brave sir robbin ?

that is parralax for the last time -

a reply to: ignorant_ape

What about parallax?

a reply to: MatterOfPerspective

shown above - your attempted trolling is hilarious - are you simply incapable of addressing any issue ?

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Parallax is a displacement or difference in the apparent position of an object viewed along two different lines of sight, and is measured by the angle or semi-angle of inclination between those two lines.

How does parallax disprove a relatively close sun or moon?

a reply to: MatterOfPerspective

see above - parrallax also addresses the fact that if you view the same object from a different angle - you see a different face of it - have you REALLY never noticed this ??

now why is the view of the moon so consistent from any point on the globe at any time ?

hint - the fact that it is over 250 ooo km away is the real reason - thus libration is percieved to be miniscule over a lunar month

if the moon was 3000 km , 6300 km or any other silly flat earth fantasy distance - away - we would see different aspects of the moon

the graphic you ignore shows this

a reply to: ignorant_ape

see above - parrallax also addresses the fact that if you view the same object from a different angle - you see a different face of it - have you REALLY never noticed this ??

Parallax is a displacement or difference in the apparent position of an object viewed along two different lines of sight, and is measured by the angle or semi-angle of inclination between those two lines.

The subject was parallax, not the face of the moon. Parallax would be expected on a flat plane with a relatively close sun or moon.

If you have another point to make, don't refer to it as parallax.

a reply to: MatterOfPerspective

ok - so now you claim that your ojection in nonenclature - so hey call it what ever you want and address it

a reply to: ignorant_ape

see above - parrallax also addresses the fact that if you view the same object from a different angle - you see a different face of it - have you REALLY never noticed this ??

Your point is that on a flat plane with a close moon, the orientation of the face of the moon should appear to tilt as it moves away from you?

a reply to: MatterOfPerspective

fooking hell - its finally sunk in - yes

this can be seen with ANY object as it moves relative to you

so - flat earth explaination is ?

ETA - as you are a terminology pedant - not tilt - but a different aspect should be visible

PS - try it at home with a can of soup

a reply to: ignorant_ape

ETA - as you are a terminology pedant - not tilt - but a different aspect should be visible

I am not pedant at all, you were simply using incorrect terms for what you were trying to say. This was the cause of confusion.

A different aspect should be visible too with ball moon orbiting ball Earth. Tidal lock had to be invented to fix that.

a reply to: MatterOfPerspective

250 ooo kilometers - that distance gives the libration we see

tidal locking was not invented it was observed

and lets adress the flat earth claim - what distance away is the moon again ?

PS - it IS parrallax - your refusal to admit it = irrelevant

a reply to: Akragon

No useful input once again, thanks for nothing.

Maybe you gotta read about how the eye works, how perspective works also.

You literally said nothing of use.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: MatterOfPerspective

250 ooo kilometers

- that distance gives the libration we see

tidal locking was not invented it was observed

and lets adress the flat earth claim - what distance away is the moon again ?

PS - it IS parrallax - your refusal to admit it = irrelevant

The distances and sizes you are told to be true, are only there because of the original formula of curvature, everything you are saying can be easily drawn up on a flat surface, and it has been done on many occasions, you just don't want to see it, because of your own walls you have put up around your own mind.

Go outside, and make the observations have mentioned, untill then all you have is speculative mathematics.

a reply to: NNN87

wrong - the distance has now been measured to millimeter precision using lasers and the apollo retro reflector

you are the dellusional one - all emperical measurements are independant

PS - whats the flat earth cult moon > earth distance ?

a reply to: ignorant_ape

250 ooo kilometers - that distance gives the libration we see

Not sure what your point is. Libration is supposedly due to the moons orbit and tilt.

tidal locking was not invented it was observed

No it was not observed. What is observed is that the moon always faces us with the same side. Since the assumption is that the Earth is a spinning ball with the moon orbiting around it, it was assumed that therefore the moon has to be tidally locked.

and lets adress the flat earth claim - what distance away is the moon again ?

I don't claim to know, but what if I say that it is between 3000 and 6000 miles? Bring it.

PS - it IS parrallax - your refusal to admit it = irrelevant

Once more,

Parallax is a displacement or difference in the apparent position of an object viewed along two different lines of sight, and is measured by the angle or semi-angle of inclination between those two lines.

You are talking about a change in apparent orientation, which simply is not called parallax. Show me a definition of parallax that includes this then.

a reply to: MatterOfPerspective

ok :

6000 miles you say ? - can we use 9000km - i work best in metric - and the mathematics is far simpler
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right - you have just scaled the above pic - 9000km vertical - and 9000km horizontal

assuming cloudless skies - the moon is visible from 2 points 9000km apart simutaneously if moon rise // set times are consulted

so - why has no one taken a picture that shows a radically different aspect of the moon

or alternatly - from a single vantage point - the moon SHOULD acording to you display a different aspect

it doesnt

ergo you are wrong

its that simple

a reply to: ignorant_ape

so - why has no one taken a picture that shows a radically different aspect of the moon

Well maybe it's time to start discussing what the moon really is.

I can also ask you why from a single vantage point, there is no change in apparent orientation of the face, when the moon's orbit around the Earth is tilted.

a reply to: MatterOfPerspective

no - you answer the question - evasivive dishonesty is tiresome

and as YOU raise the issue - you explain whaty the moon is

PS - the current model of a tidally locked body at 250 thousand KM orbit - explains all onservations

PPS - on the subject of tidal locking - you really need to run a simulation of your flat earth delusion

dont ask why? - just do it and note what you need to do to fit all observations

and for a bonus - its got to explain the visibility of the moon from above the artctic circle when the sun never rises [ winter ]

a reply to: MatterOfPerspective

no - you answer the question - evasivive dishonesty is tiresome

and as YOU raise the issue - you explain whaty the moon is

PS - the current model of a tidally locked body at 250 thousand KM orbit - explains all onservations

PPS - on the subject of tidal locking - you really need to run a simulation of your flat earth delusion

dont ask why? - just do it and note what you need to do to fit all observations

and for a bonus - its got to explain the visibility of the moon from above the artctic circle when the sun never rises [ winter ]

a reply to: ignorant_ape

no - you answer the question - evasivive dishonesty is tiresome and as YOU raise the issue - you explain whaty the moon is

It's not a sphere either and it is not reflecting light.

PS - the current model of a tidally locked body at 250 thousand KM orbit - explains all onservations

No, not all.

Why is it tidally locked? Coincidence?