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Maine Just Put Welfare Leeches In Their Place

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posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 09:26 AM
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a reply to: sycomix

I live in Texas, so my above post applies to this area. Disability and TANF are nearly impossible to get. SNAP isn't as hard to get, and it's much easier if you have kids. The biggest sucker of fraud I've seen is Worker's Comp/Unemployment Insurance. It's so easy for people to pull info out of their butts to fill out the sheets saying they've been out applying for jobs. Meanwhile they sit back and let the checks roll in as they hold out for an 'upper management' position.

Like I said, to get TANF you have to report your hiney to the Texas Workforce Commission. I had to prove I was disabled to get an exemption.

They REALLY need caseworkers to take people on an individual basis. Want to work but can't find a job? The caseworker can navigate multiple agencies to get you a job, get you an education/training if need be, and food stamps while you're waiting. Or in my case, suddenly disabled? A caseworker could set up the help I needed while fast tracking my disability....you know so I don't end up evicted and my car repossessed and me and a 2 year old living in a homeless shelter for a month, like what actually happened. A caseworker would be there looking the person in the eye and sniffing out the BS. But...you know, my idea makes too much sense, they would never go for it.




posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 09:34 AM
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originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: xuenchen



the amount of SNAP recipients has dramatically dropped from 12,000 to approximately 2,500





guess they cleaned up that program !!!!!


Or people were forced to drop out due to not having any way to get care for their kids not to mention not having a way to their "volunteer" job on a regular basis. If one person winds up in the hospital or heaven forbid dies because of this these politicians should be charged with manslaughter.


I wonder if you feel the same way about the obesity problem with people on public assistance. Is that also the politicians fault and should the politicians be charged with manslaughter when they die of heart disease due to their obesity?



posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 10:21 AM
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a reply to: trollz

The only people who need putting in their place, are those who believe that referring to welfare recipients as leeches is appropriate. What an awful, classist, and despicable thing to say!

And never mind the fact that reasonable argument could be made which says that asking the least economically mobile people in a region to travel around, get childcare for their kids, and work for nothing to boot, is somewhat of a bloody imposition!

Here is another one:

I do hope that all the republican voters in the area affected by this feel very pleased with themselves. I hope they continue to be pleased with themselves until they realise that no group of people in society take more from the system than the private contractors employed by governments to supply goods and services to various departments. The shock would be delicious comeuppance for them.



posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 10:27 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: xuenchen



the amount of SNAP recipients has dramatically dropped from 12,000 to approximately 2,500





guess they cleaned up that program !!!!!


Or people were forced to drop out due to not having any way to get care for their kids not to mention not having a way to their "volunteer" job on a regular basis. If one person winds up in the hospital or heaven forbid dies because of this these politicians should be charged with manslaughter.


I wonder if you feel the same way about the obesity problem with people on public assistance. Is that also the politicians fault and should the politicians be charged with manslaughter when they die of heart disease due to their obesity?


You do know that the reason that many on food stamps are overweight and unhealthy is because people on food stamps can only afford to buy the cheapest food and the cheapest food is the unhealthiest crap available? Right?



posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 10:29 AM
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a reply to: trollz

It does not have to be a dog eat dog world. The world is what we make it. Many of those people in the reduction of numbers will be socially or mentally vunreable people. A society can be measured on how its treats its weakest of members.
Your op does nothing but vilify these people. In truth they are no different than these and any other people. These imaginary lines of seperation are crimes against what it means to be human.



posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 10:30 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: xuenchen



the amount of SNAP recipients has dramatically dropped from 12,000 to approximately 2,500





guess they cleaned up that program !!!!!


Or people were forced to drop out due to not having any way to get care for their kids not to mention not having a way to their "volunteer" job on a regular basis. If one person winds up in the hospital or heaven forbid dies because of this these politicians should be charged with manslaughter.


I wonder if you feel the same way about the obesity problem with people on public assistance. Is that also the politicians fault and should the politicians be charged with manslaughter when they die of heart disease due to their obesity?


Actually, "deranged indifference" is murder II.

Foist the food pyramid on people, then force that model into how you hand out free food. Voila: the poor become poor, fat, and unhealthy.

If i didn't have my tinhat on so tight, i might think that is a little too close to class warfare, to be honest.



posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 10:36 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite




Is that also the politicians fault and should the politicians be charged with manslaughter when they die of heart disease due to their obesity?


Although said in jest there may be a point to your statement. Poverty is an invented concept as are the social infracstructure the environment around are created systems. Who is responsible for the unkeep of such a system. Who benefits from it.
Poverty is not just about money is about the removal of hope from people. Politicains are part of the big government that maintains the disparity between people.

So yes they have a responsbility and yes they should be held to account.



posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: DfairliteI wonder if you feel the same way about the obesity problem with people on public assistance. Is that also the politicians fault and should the politicians be charged with manslaughter when they die of heart disease due to their obesity?


Actually, that might not be such a bad idea

Obesity is mostly caused by a number of factors typically found under unemployed: not having to do much else than eat, eating away stress and eating the wrong type of food - cheap food. In many cases it is underlined by missing cognitive abilities, though there are smart but yet obese people.

If you want to change this, give people proper education, ensure that good food is cheaper and easier to prepare than bad food and provide free health checks so people can be warned by doctors in an early stage and not when it is far too late.

Not providing this - even worse: taking away benefits from these poor - only worsens the problem.



posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 11:21 AM
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a reply to: ForteanOrg

Smart people, still being human, can be affected by groupthink to such a degree that they lose the benefits of being smart. You kind of get sucked into the undertow of stupidity in the world that surrounds you.



posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: trollz

The terrible Tories (Conservatives) tried that over in The UK - Apart from all the people KILLED by the program - sanctions such as 6 weeks to several years of no more dole for missing one day of these 'enforced work volunteer' schemes, appeals taking 6 weeks + with no dole, THEY'RE BEING SUED - rightfully... This was during an unemployment crisis (unless you're a business exploiting free labour)... Experience such as stacking shelves and and washing dishes forced onto college graduates to little old ladies and single mums... EVIL people.



posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 01:03 PM
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I'm divided on this issue. I've worked two jobs most of my life to support myself and my two kids.
I found a way to make it to work and get my children looked after,while I worked those two jobs and went to
school part time for eight years to be able to get better job.

However when it comes to food, it's morally wrong to have anyone go hungry in this country.
I know that times have changed and it's so much harder now than it was when I was raising my kids,
and I'm sorry for all the young people who won't find work that will be there for 30 years and give
then a pension when they can retire. I wish that some of the world that I grew up in was left, but
we didn't have internet or cell phones so maybe there are some trade offs.



posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 01:18 PM
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I wonder If the aristocracy in France had any inkling of the rising up of the inpoverished masses they continually kicked in the teeth until finally it was one kick too many? Does the one percent think they can get away with this cruelty forever without consequences? I think within the next few years if we don't turn this around and start giving people hope and a future, things are going to take a turn in a direction we have not seen. I am talking about massive civil unrest.

Conservativez, here's a clue for you. The vast majority of people you refer to as "welfare leeches" WANT to work. NO ONE wants to be on welfare. But this POS service economy doesn't pay squat. So some people get trapped in the system because it's the only way they can survive. You want people to work? Create LIVING WAGE JOBS. If the right wing spent as much time scheming to create jobs as they do to punish the poor, maybe welfare would disappear altogether.
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posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 01:31 PM
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Well Well, New York WAS the Only State that did this exactly Now Maine!

I dont see why its a Republican Issue

As the majority of the People in New york is Democratic ..


So Now there is Two States with this Program !


The ironic Part is In New York !

They make you go to Work aka Volunteer

to non Profit Organizations/ or Town Community's from 20 to 30 Hours A Week
although Some of those kinda of Job's in the Town or City's are also used for punishment , what they call : ( Community Service )
when you do Petty Trouble Minor Crimes...

and Meanwhile if you have Children say like 2 to 4 !

AND the person that is Watching your kids While doing your Workfare ( Public Assistance ) , Can be paid by The Dept of Social Services..

from $200. to $350. every two Weeks ( If Not More )

and that in itself is , close of Equaling the Same amount of what you May Make for Workfare.

Here in New York Babysitting Children Through NY DEPT of Social Services is around $500. to $700. a Month ... depending how many dependents you have of children or even a Disabled Spouse..

So as I see it, It doesn't save anyone any money ! If its a family involved ..

it's like a Catch 22, Its costing More on The Tax payers, The Dept Social Services is paying The One's Doing the Workfare and Also D.S.S. is Paying the People that are watching Welfare Recipients Children. Because of Workfare.

That Means its a Double Issue .. Twice the Cost D.S.S. is Dishing Out $700. a Month for a Babysitter and the Welfare Recipient is Getting $700. a Month Doing the Workfare.

it doe's bring Jobs to the person that is Babysitting your Kids as they wont be on welfare..
but you are !!

Make Sense ? this kinda logic ??

Not if your County your Town/City is in cant not provide Jobs ! of the Amount of Family's that live in those Towns and City's .. in the State ..

and that the problem of Upstate New York ..

just like the County , where I live ! its a major problem, the Economy is crumbling

and Most of the Towns are Leach Towns Feeding off from Other Towns.. as Those Leach Towns Do NOT!! have the Capacity of JOBS that can't hold and maintain there OWN People in their own Community !

basically if each towns People were prevented to work in another Town beside the town they Live,

There would be a Major issue .. In My County: St Lawrence County

As There is Only 3 Major Towns in The Biggest County of New York the rest are Leach Towns Feeding off those Major Towns , ( Towns People Working in a different town that the live in commuting 60 miles a day )

lost 500 jobs in one town alone. in less then 6 months

Hell even the Housing authority ( aka The Projects ) you know low income People Live..

are having problems because of the economy of St Lawrence County !

I considered that bad!

Massena losing its enriched housing program; seven employees to be laid off
By BENNY FAIRCHILD
PUBLISHED: SATURDAY, JANUARY 18, 2014 AT 12:30 AM
www.watertowndailytimes.com...


People bitch and Wine about People on Welfare..

Like this OP !

Well... Vote People in to Get more jobs in your Town City and County ! and make something that Works..
with a Standered of living ! you know! having jobs that are up in Par of the Cost Living Comfortably..

although Some Welfare Recipients have a Major Criminal Record
( Felony or a High misdemeanor preventing them to get a decent JOB )

Want them to Work ! Have the Town Board provide create Jobs or get business in the Community that they can Work at!
or have the Businesses lessen their strict hiring Policy's and Termination Policy's
( VOTE ) don't just let a Senior Citizen walk out of their White CAR with their Walker going to the Town board Meeting or the POLLS !
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posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 01:37 PM
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a reply to: trollz

So if working for free is a necessity of receiving assistance, doesn't that really mean welfare is actually an alternate lower minimum wage for the poorest of the poor?



posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: The Vagabond

Aren't those people saying they can't find work and that is why they need assistance?

Are they getting anywhere from $150 to $200 a month for food?

If it is $150 that works out to $6.25 if it is $200 it is $8.33 an hr for community service and it is tax-free. Both would be better pay than what someone would get at minimum wage after tax.

Of course they don't need to do Community service and instead go get free job training or if they are already working a part time job at least 20 hrs a week they would still get food assistance on top of their regular pay.

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posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: justdust

I agree...it is wrong for our nation to allow anyone to starve to death or go hungry.

It is also wrong to allow people to die from untreated illness. No, your cancer may not be curable...but it should at least be treated.

I've thought a lot about how we identify as Americans.

- "The land of the free"....hardly. We are the most imprisoned populace
- "The land of opportunity"....again, hardly. If you call lotto ticket odds "opportunity", then sure
- "Our criminal justice system isn't perfect, but its the best there is"....you have to be kidding me. THATS the best we can do???

Its not that we can't afford to do better tha we do nationally. Its that by the time all the skim is taken off, our tax dollars getting watered down to the point where it looks like nothing is happening. And that may be true. A good thread posted today on ATS about this very thing:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

All that money spent, and all our liberties lost, to "protect us". Meanwhile, our elite agencies are like a bunch of bumbling idiots that can't tell their ass from a hole in the ground. It isn't that we can't afford it...its that we put incompetent idiots at every level of bureaucracy, and they completely botch it from the ground floor.

Yes...we could do better. At every single level of government, we could do better.



posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 02:04 PM
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a reply to: The Vagabond

Nah!!!

I personally know of several cases through family members where abuse of the system is an ongoing multi-year, multi-state endeavor.

The abusers are using SNAP and Welfare so they can redirect cash to newer vehicles, fancy clothes and vacation trips instead of using it on mundane daily expenses.

They outright lie about numbers of dependents, marital status and job holders within their household in order to scam these benefits.

I believe that were Maine's 24 hour a month "volunteer" rule put in place in the states where I know this is going on that these particular folks would refuse based on pure dee laziness.

I put most of the blame on government mismanagement and poor casework which for the immediate future seems an intractable problem with no will for improvement which force the need for things such as work hour and volunteer requirements.

I have no desire to take away or stop benefits to those who need them but have a huge problem with those who are abusing the system to the denigration of those who deserve them.



posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 02:32 PM
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a reply to: Phoenix

Yes people abuse it, and some times the rules that aim to stop that, can prevent those that need it from getting it as well.

As pointed out earlier, do we know how many of 9k that are not enrolled anymore where abusing the system?

No doubt that there are some in there, but do we really know it was the majority?

Also, just to throw my personal stories in the here, I have seen people go out of their way to abuse the system as well.

It is not always the 'lazy' who abuse it, but those just looking to cheat the system for their own gain.
So this won't stop those people, they will just do what they need to do to continue to get the benefit if they are some how profiting on it how you describe.



posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 02:32 PM
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You bunch of socialists are too funny. Any responsible adult should be able to knock out 24 hours community service in a MONTH, what's that 6 hours A WEEK. ONE DAY A WEEK. At the very least it weeds out the ID theft abusers.



posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 02:53 PM
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originally posted by: EverydayInVA
You bunch of socialists are too funny. Any responsible adult should be able to knock out 24 hours community service in a MONTH, what's that 6 hours A WEEK. ONE DAY A WEEK. At the very least it weeds out the ID theft abusers.


Let me ask you something. What happens when people volunteer? They work for free at a business, that means what was a paying job gets taken out of the economy and it becomes free labor. That then displaces another worker. Work must be paid for because honest hard working citizens cannot compete with free or low cost jobs. Volunteer work (the type you'll get from this) is also a complete dead end job.

Earlier in the thread the Maine employment numbers for the past few months were released. Since this program has gone into effect an additional 3000 people have become employed while 9000 have been cut from the SNAP roster. Assuming every new hire was someone on food stamps 2/3 of the people who were getting help no longer are. Are they just leeches who should starve to death on the streets?

Then there's the other point I mentioned, this only applies to people who don't have any kids. If someone is really committed to being a leech on the system doesn't this encourage them to have a child so they don't have to work?




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