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Obama pushes to extend gun background checks to Social Security

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posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 05:14 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: SubTruth



What if......


And what if that doesn't happen?

Guns have not been taken away, actually opposite.
Gun sales are up in record numbers, so where is the evidence that they are some how going to start taking all the guns away?

Are there some people out there that given the chance would like to do that with one swipe of the pen?
Sure, but that isn't how the system works so it can't be done.






This entire thing is done not for safety it is done for effect........Over time fear and propaganda have a cumulative effect on the population. Just look at post 9/11 for proof of how this works and the tactics used.


How do you get people to disarm.......Do it by force? Or do you slowly over time brainwash them into giving the right up themselves. Look at how this worked in Europe for added context......It was a slow process that eventually lead to them giving up liberty for security and safety.




posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 05:14 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: buster2010

Yes. I do. I know more than one person who has another person handle their affairs for them, but that own guns.

This is just more "We know whats best for you" nonsense. I never volunteered to have someone make my decisions for me. And, if i am being honest, Im not sure that is worth it as a price of admission for living in "society".



You NAILED IT!
There are lots of people who are not fiscally responsible, or for tax reasons have someone else handle their money yet are quite competent to handle a firearm.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 05:18 PM
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Makes sense.

I mean senior citizens are the ones doing all the senseless murdering in the inner cities and shooting up schools.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 05:23 PM
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originally posted by: MoreBeer
Makes sense.

I mean senior citizens are the ones doing all the senseless murdering in the inner cities and shooting up schools.





This is simple honest truth and the anti-gun posters should ask themselves why did they pick them........It was a easy target that many people will agree on. If you asked the common man or woman on the street should a mentally unfit senior own a gun many would say.....NO. They would not look at the bigger picture or implications of this action.


This is is done for effect and getting a foot in the door. Next time around it will be much easier and so on and so on. At what point does this stop and who decides.......Is this unconstitutional.........These are the real questions both sides of this argument should be asking.
edit on 18-7-2015 by SubTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 05:24 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
This will cause mentally ill people to either;

Not seek treatment because they don't want to lose their rights

or

Simply purchase firearms illegally.

This will also inhibit people with TBI's, PTSD, depression issues, from seeking care in case it inhibited their freedoms.

Progressives. Can't picture the authoritarian state without them!


Yet the excuse we get from Sanctuary Cities is that the reason they DO NOT obey federal laws is so that those here "illegally" will feel more comfortable reporting a crime if they KNOW they won't be deported for doing so?

Citizens now have a boot on their neck while non citizens get to play anarchy with multiple get out of jail free cards

Will you shoot me Beezer if I give you my address? I'm a coward! Maybe some higher power is keeping me around for a reason I yet do not understand?

I can't take this craziness anymore!



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 05:31 PM
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a reply to: BattleStarGal

Doesn't Matter . When that Ass Clown is Finally Out Of Office , Every Damn Unconstitutional Edict he has Forced Down the American Peoples Throat Will be Repealed . I am Counting the Days too.................



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 05:34 PM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: BattleStarGal

Doesn't Matter . When that Ass Clown is Finally Out Of Office , Every Damn Unconstitutional Edict he has Forced Down the American Peoples Throat Will be Repealed . I am Counting the Days too.................





Actually a Republican will be elected and the right will cheer as liberties are taken away even faster.......Remember the patriot act.......I do.


Both sides are progressive ideal pushing liars........If Romney was elected we would have unconstitutional Romney care and the left would be crying a river about it.
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posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 05:34 PM
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This will mean sharing confidential medical information.

Only your doctor knows.

Authoritarian Level pinned at 10







posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 05:37 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
This will mean sharing confidential medical information.

Only your doctor knows.

Authoritarian Level pinned at 10










I am pretty sure this is already happening with Obama care.......I could be wrong but I bet it already happens. PTB want complete control over the progressively brainwashed minions. It is also the reason why school loans are now government run.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 05:38 PM
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The government deciding who is mentally fit for gun ownership is a slippery slope


Well who else is going to stop mentally unfit people from having guns?

Or do you just want to let every crazy person have unlimited gun access?



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 05:39 PM
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originally posted by: CB328



The government deciding who is mentally fit for gun ownership is a slippery slope


Well who else is going to stop mentally unfit people from having guns?

Or do you just want to let every crazy person have unlimited gun access?





What is considered crazy and who is making the determination...........Are people taking ADD or ADHD drugs crazy as you put it.


Please just answer these simple questions.............I bet you deflect..........Or spin.
edit on 18-7-2015 by SubTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 05:44 PM
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originally posted by: BattleStarGal
Background Checks for Seniors



Seeking tighter controls over firearm purchases, the Obama administration is pushing to ban Social Security beneficiaries from owning guns if they lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs, a move that could affect millions whose monthly disability payments are handled by others.


Fair? Unfair?


I knew it was coming and long over due. If you ever been a govt. housing project where they (SSI) have a payee, you'll understand why they shouldn't be allowed to own a weapon. And yes, I believe in an under the bed search is required. You'll see many ex-cons fit this example.
I knew all along that the current America's President is the best that's come along in quit some time. He's been the greatest president since, well I don't know, wasn't born then.
He cares about the American people like no other president in recent times I feel.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 05:46 PM
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originally posted by: SubTruth

originally posted by: xuenchen
This will mean sharing confidential medical information.

Only your doctor knows.

Authoritarian Level pinned at 10










I am pretty sure this is already happening with Obama care.......I could be wrong but I bet it already happens. PTB want complete control over the progressively brainwashed minions. It is also the reason why school loans are now government run.


Not true
Social Security Administration knows and all foreign American Embassies know too.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 05:47 PM
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originally posted by: CB328



The government deciding who is mentally fit for gun ownership is a slippery slope


Well who else is going to stop mentally unfit people from having guns?

Or do you just want to let every crazy person have unlimited gun access?


They have always had unlimited gun access.

How many crazy people do you know that follow a law?



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 05:48 PM
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originally posted by: musicismagic

originally posted by: BattleStarGal
Background Checks for Seniors



Seeking tighter controls over firearm purchases, the Obama administration is pushing to ban Social Security beneficiaries from owning guns if they lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs, a move that could affect millions whose monthly disability payments are handled by others.


Fair? Unfair?


I knew it was coming and long over due. If you ever been a govt. housing project where they (SSI) have a payee, you'll understand why they shouldn't be allowed to own a weapon. And yes, I believe in an under the bed search is required. You'll see many ex-cons fit this example.
I knew all along that the current America's President is the best that's come along in quit some time. He's been the greatest president since, well I don't know, wasn't born then.
He cares about the American people like no other president in recent times I feel.





Thought about it and......some posters are not worth arguing with.....Sorry guy.
edit on 18-7-2015 by SubTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 05:49 PM
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originally posted by: musicismagic

originally posted by: BattleStarGal
Background Checks for Seniors



Seeking tighter controls over firearm purchases, the Obama administration is pushing to ban Social Security beneficiaries from owning guns if they lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs, a move that could affect millions whose monthly disability payments are handled by others.


Fair? Unfair?


I knew it was coming and long over due. If you ever been a govt. housing project where they (SSI) have a payee, you'll understand why they shouldn't be allowed to own a weapon. And yes, I believe in an under the bed search is required. You'll see many ex-cons fit this example.
I knew all along that the current America's President is the best that's come along in quit some time. He's been the greatest president since, well I don't know, wasn't born then.
He cares about the American people like no other president in recent times I feel.


How far south of "Radiationville" do you live?


I knew all along that the current America's President is the best that's come along in quit some time. He's been the greatest president since, well I don't know, wasn't born then.


You might want to immediately call 911 cause I'm concerned for your mental health!



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 05:53 PM
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originally posted by: SubTruth

What is considered crazy and who is making the determination...........Are people taking ADD or ADHD drugs crazy as you put it.


Please just answer these simple questions.............I bet you deflect..........Or spin.


I would guess that trained psychologists or people within the mental health dept. But that is just a guess as it would seem to be the most logical choice. I imagine some Law Enforcement would also be involved as well as the people who buy and sell guns. In fact there are probably all sorts of different people involved in making those policies. So what is your point???

Have you tried thinking about how to answer that question in a reasonable way or do you always just let your imagination run wild???

Do you think there is some cabal of anti gun zealots who will be deciding who is sane or not??? Or perhaps it's the antichrist since he seems to be someone who conservatives are always blaming stuff on??? Or is it some other boogeyman that you think is "really" behind it???



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 05:55 PM
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originally posted by: CB328



The government deciding who is mentally fit for gun ownership is a slippery slope


Well who else is going to stop mentally unfit people from having guns?

Or do you just want to let every crazy person have unlimited gun access?


THere you go. Im sure authority knows whats best for everyone. Why is this even a discussion? Authority is just trying to keep us safe.



Because authority certainly is in a position to judge mental clarity



I wonder if the folks who fall under these proposed rules would also be required to purchase scissors with rounded tips. I mean, we wouldn't want them getting hurt.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 05:57 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: SubTruth

What is considered crazy and who is making the determination...........Are people taking ADD or ADHD drugs crazy as you put it.


Please just answer these simple questions.............I bet you deflect..........Or spin.


I would guess that trained psychologists or people within the mental health dept. But that is just a guess as it would seem to be the most logical choice. I imagine some Law Enforcement would also be involved as well as the people who buy and sell guns. In fact there are probably all sorts of different people involved in making those policies. So what is your point???

Have you tried thinking about how to answer that question in a reasonable way or do you always just let your imagination run wild???

Do you think there is some cabal of anti gun zealots who will be deciding who is sane or not??? Or perhaps it's the antichrist since he seems to be someone who conservatives are always blaming stuff on??? Or is it some other boogeyman that you think is "really" behind it???




I was waiting for this......Thank you........So a doctor has the right to take away your constitutional protections. Do doctors make mistakes......Do doctors push agendas.........Can the government make regulations the Doctors have to follow.............



Your entire argument falls apart when you apply these simple facts. Not to mention who draws the line are people taking ADD or ADHD drugs mentally fit.......I bet you do not answer.
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posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 06:02 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: SubTruth

And well regulated, funny how that part is never mentioned.


If your only argument is slippery slope then you don't have much to stand on.
yourlogicalfallacyis.com...



Funny how people forget that in the 18th century, "well regulated" meant "well ordered", in other words, "well trained".

My post in other thread showing primary research to back up the above statement


edit on 7/18/2015 by Krakatoa because: Added link to source material



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