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Satanists shape our culture

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posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 02:30 AM
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By Henry Makow Ph.D.
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Since the so-called "Enlightenment" in the 1700's, Western culture has been based on a Lucifer-like rejection of God.

The Enlightenment actually refers to Lucifer, the "light giver." Lucifer symbolizes the light of the human intellect, the defiant assertion that man can go it alone.

God's Plan (universal love) naturally conflicts with the desire of a few to monopolize the world's wealth and power. Luciferians in the service of wealth engineered the so-called Enlightenment, as well as the Revolutionary Period (1776-1917) that toppled kings and the two World Wars (1919-1945) that ruined the great nations of Europe.

Luciferians made people think they were orphans in the universe by promoting Isaac Newton's mechanistic vision. When Newton's laboratory papers were finally examined, his actual "scientific work" turned out to be lurid and insane experiments in "black magic." Along with Isaac Newton, Lyndon LaRouche lists Francis Bacon, Hobbs, Walpole, Doestoevsky, Nietzsche, Jeremy Betham, John Ruskin, Bertram Russell, HG Wells as secret Satanists who have shaped our culture.

The party of revolution and "progress" has been the party of Lucifer. It is backed by influential Jewish Luciferians. "Through the press we have gained the power to influence while remaining ourselves in the shade, " says the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Fry,122). "The goyim have lost the habit of thinking unless prompted by the suggestion of our specialists." (124)

"Think of the successes we arranged for Darwinianism, Marxism, Nietzcheism...it should be plain to see what a disintegrating effect these directives have had on the minds of the goyim." (121)

The triumph of immorality in popular culture is not random, not a concession to popular taste, not commercially driven. The relentless attack on wholesomeness is part of an insidious multi-century effort to subvert mankind, a cosmic struggle for the soul of man.


[edit on 28-12-2004 by Doctor DTA]




posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 02:53 AM
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Using the second link provided in the text -
www.econcrisis.homestead.com... - I found that listed in the "The best-organized Satanist forces operating presently inside the United States" was Wicca.

I find that ridiculous. There is no Satan in Wicca, Satan is a Christian belief not Wiccan.

[edit on 28-12-2004 by mysticshadow]



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 03:03 AM
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What else does it say about Wicca?

who has funded the spread of Wicca in the USA? you might be a good person, but the powers that have funded the spread of Wicca ARE NOT.



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 03:22 AM
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i believe, not positive, that wicca is more of a person one on one type of thing. Its not funded in the way that christianity is, they don't build huge churches, its about nature.

furthermore it sounds like your straight up saying scientific knowledge is evil and from satan, which is just rediculous



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 04:05 AM
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i believe, not positive, that wicca is more of a person one on one type of thing. Its not funded in the way that christianity is, they don't build huge churches, its about nature.

The new world order elite have funded the spread of Wicca, just like they funded radical feminism. This has nothing to do with Churches.

an example would be how the nwo elite funded the spead of crack coc aine in black neighborhoods to destroy the black family. Let us not turn this thread into a debate about Wicca.


furthermore it sounds like your straight up saying scientific knowledge is evil and from satan, which is just rediculous

Dr Makow is saying that the people, not the knowledge is satanic.

Actually my own opinion on this differs from Makows. I don't know if you have read into mythology/ancient legends/the book of enoch (probably not), all the evidence we have from the legends and so forth reveal that a lot of knowledge man gained came from the 'gods' (the watchers aka fallen angels if you have read the book of enoch).

legend talks of the gods giving man knowledge to make war among other things. I personally go as far to say that all technology and everything around us is because of Lucifer. Christians don't want to admit it but the true lord of this world is lucifer as said by the Bible.

If you study scripture you know that God wanted peace and love for humanity. If you have read the book of Enoch you know God wanted a simple life for humanity. I doubt God wanted guns, bombs, polluting cars, the technology we have and so on. I don't think God wanted us to work our butts off to pay for rent and our material possessions while we barely have time to be withour families.

We are living in a society based on Lucifer.

[edit on 28-12-2004 by Doctor DTA]



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 04:20 AM
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where does the funding in wicca go, that is the problem i have with it. i have met and spoke with a handful of wiccans and havn't a clue what there would be to fund simply because 99% won't speak up enough to spread there beliefs because they A) don't really care to push there beliefs on others and B) a lot of people tend to look down on them for being "witches".

so im just curious as to what exactly is being funded and how the NWO is funding the spread of wicca

and if that is true, then why? what is the point? is the NWO trying to make naturalists out of all of us? if they are in fact funding and supporting the spread of wicca i'd have to say they are failing miserably because it is still not an accepted religion, not even close.

just doesn't add up to me, sorry

and to cap off the whole "the people are satanic not the knowledge" thing, i would say who cares what there beliefs were, does that mean there contributions were anything short of amazing to human kind? i mean, yay for them and whoever they worship, doesn't change that fact they were extraordinarily inteligent human beings



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 05:00 AM
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Originally posted by Doctor DTAyou might be a good person, but the powers that have funded the spread of Wicca ARE NOT.

Nor are the powers that have funded the spread of Christianity.
The article reads as propaganda.


[edit on 28-12-2004 by riley]



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 09:45 AM
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www.econcrisis.homestead.com... - I found that listed in the "The best-organized Satanist forces operating presently inside the United States" was Wicca.

This is bunch of BS and furthermore totally incorrect. The Christian "satan" has nothing to do with Wicca....nothing! Our main tenet is to harm nothing, even ourselves....as anything you do positive or negative, "will" come back to you three, or none fold.....now, there are people that play and do negative things and say they are Wiccan.....just as you have Christians that hate, they really aren't Christians......what a bunch of crap and misinformation!



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 11:13 AM
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Well, lets take a look at what the good doctor says;

"God's Plan (universal love) naturally conflicts with the desire of a few to monopolize the world's wealth and power. Luciferians in the service of wealth engineered the so-called Enlightenment, as well as the Revolutionary Period (1776-1917) that toppled kings and the two World Wars (1919-1945) that ruined the great nations of Europe"

Gods Plan is universal love..? The doctor knows what Gods plan is? Nobody knows what Gods plan is, period.
The revolutionary period, and the two wrold wars toppled facism, Nazism, corrupt french governments...or would the good doctor be more comfortable with Nazi Germany running the WTO..?


"Luciferians made people think they were orphans in the universe by promoting Isaac Newton's mechanistic vision. When Newton's laboratory papers were finally examined, his actual "scientific work" turned out to be lurid and insane experiments in "black magic."

What newton is describing is Gravity. If Gravity is black magic then we are all practicing satanists arent we. As far as Newtons mechanistic vision, Mathematics are the Foundation of Gods Universe, the Bible refers to thisn several passages


"The Elders of Zion say that freedom is viable when it rests "upon the foundation of faith in God, upon the brotherhood of humanity...This is why [we must] undermine all faith [in the] Godhead and the spirit, and to put in its place arithmetical calculations and material needs...Thus, all nations will be swallowed up in pursuit of gain and...will not take note of their common foe."

Ahh, here is the lynchpin to the nutty professors rant. The Mythical "elders of Zion". There is no such group, never has been, This fantasy has been used to excuse the extermination of millions of Jews by Nazi Germany.


"Let me leave you with this thought. What if the whole universe was created so that God could one day know Himself through His creation? What if we represented His most advanced work"

God Doesnt Know himself..?
1) god is not male nor female, original texts describe God as both, sometimes male, sometimes female, sometimes neither. God is God
2) I truly hope we do not represent Gods most advanced work.


This Doctor Has taken fantasies and woven them into reality. The Elders of Zion are used by people to justify Murder, Genocide, Nazism, anti semitism, etc etc.
This is trash, and should be treated as such



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 11:35 AM
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The Dear Doctor M is a man with an agenda.

Bitter from three marriages with women who eventually decided that they did NOT want to scurry around like slaves and brood mares while he dictated their lives, he has decided that anything that promotes the idea that "women have a right to be MORE than just barefoot and pregnant" is Satanic.

He has a lousy grip on the facts. Everywhere he goes that he's not worshipped, he sees Evil Forces conspiring against him. He wants the world back to the 1500's, when wealthy Caucasian males ruled Europe and could breed with whom they liked and sired flocks of children.

Agreed with LadyV on the Wiccan stuff. And Wicca isn't "funded." There's no central organizing group or financial institution. Wiccans don't care if you become Pagan or not.



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 11:41 AM
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OK let me join the choir & say it one more time (will you people PLEASE do some Research before you speak - try studying your Christian Theology a little more deeply)!

LUCIFER is NOT, NOT, NOT, SATAN. Luciferum is a LATIN Term. It means the "Bringer of the Light". Granted it may be a Pagan God. Satan in Hebrew means "Accuser" & "Tempter"!

Some of the more Superstitious among you may believe that Satan is some sort of Red Skinned Devil with Horns & Hooves & a Long Tail! If you do than you have been Brainwashed & there is nothing that I can do to help you!

If you want to see what Satan really looks like - just look in the Mirror - after all we are all "SINNERS" are we not?

"SATANISM" is not the Worshiping of a Deity/Being called "SATAN" - it is quite simply
Atheistic Selfish Materialism in the Extreme. You know like how "In GOD we TRUST" is written all over our Money (the word "Secular" is featured in there too) - Which co-incidentally also features the EAGLE - the Symbol of ROMAN EMPIRE IMPERIALISM. The USA has acted very much like a Re-Born Roman Empire for the last 20 Years!


[edit on 28-12-2004 by Seraphim_Serpente]



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente


Some of the more Superstitious among you may believe that Satan is some sort of Red Skinned Devil with Horns & Hooves & a Long Tail! If you do than you have been Brainwashed & there is nothing that I can do to help you!



LOL...funny isn't it!? According to hte Christian bible, the fallen angel that Christians call "Satan, Lucifer, etc..." was the most beautiful of all the angels and one of gods most favored angel....



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 12:16 PM
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in fact Satan is "an opponent". But It was mentioned in bible in that context. I am not sure if it has sex defined there. Usualy we use he but all those spirits haven't sex in our way I think.

[edit on 28-12-2004 by MankoW]



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 12:24 PM
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"Actually my own opinion on this differs from Makows. I don't know if you have read into mythology/ancient legends/the book of enoch (probably not), all the evidence we have from the legends and so forth reveal that a lot of knowledge man gained came from the 'gods' (the watchers aka fallen angels if you have read the book of enoch) legend talks of the gods giving man knowledge to make war among other things. I personally go as far to say that all technology and everything around us is because of Lucifer. Christians don't want to admit it but the true lord of this world is lucifer as said by the Bible"

Enoch is a Fascinating Book, and can be interpreted in Various ways. Knowledge ultimately comes from God, the Universe being Gods Creation. What is left for the individual is to decide who / what God is.
PLease correct me if i am wrong, but your post seems to indicate a preference for " Eve not eating the apple of Knowledge"...?





If you study scripture you know that God wanted peace and love for humanity. If you have read the book of Enoch you know God wanted a simple life for humanity. I doubt God wanted guns, bombs, polluting cars, the technology we have and so on. I don't think God wanted us to work our butts off to pay for rent and our material possessions while we barely have time to be withour families.
We are living in a society based on Lucifer"

God orders the genocide of peoples, the destruction of Cities, the killing of tens of thousands in various books of the Bible. What God wants for Humanity depends on what book in the bible is being read.


As far as lifestyle, man is to work by the sweat of his brow, remember? (Adam and Eve). So yes, God wants you to work your butt off to pay your rent and your Materia possessions.
We are living in a Society WE created. We can change it, or we dont. But blaming "lucifer" is just an excuse to continue along the same path we have been on.



There were great agrarian Cultures on this planet, without War, without destruction. They existed in Peru, in Australia, in Africa, all over the world. Most were Matriarchal, not all but most.
What you describe as "the simple life" did in fact exist on this Earth. They were Here thousands of years before the Biblical figures were born. They were magnificent cultures, built great monuments and lived generations without the need for weapons.
These Cultures based their religious beliefs on humanitys living with Nature, not raping her. Maybe what we would call Wiccan / Pagan / natural , etc. ( maybe someone more knowledgeable with wiccan and pagan beliefs could help me with this), but certainly not the strict interpretation of religion we have today.

in other words, we had it, and threw it away.



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Doctor DTA
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
........." Along with Isaac Newton, Lyndon LaRouche lists Francis Bacon, Hobbs, Walpole, Doestoevsky, Nietzsche, Jeremy Betham, John Ruskin, Bertram Russell, HG Wells as secret Satanists who have shaped our culture.


[edit on 28-12-2004 by Doctor DTA]


ahhh, misplaced emphasis
i think the sentence should have been presented / constructed along this line:

Along with (Sir) Isaac Newton, Lyndon LaRouche lists; Francis Bacon, Hobbs, Walpole, Doestoevsky, Nietzsche, Jeremy Betham, Bertram Russell, HG Wells, as secret satanists who have shaped our culture.

With that clearer emphasis....in that Lyndon LaRouche constructed a list !
i, for one, would be more aware that what follows would be colored in a pro-socialist, communist light.....as Mr LaRouche is of a Political mindset and has no credentials as a philosopher or anthropologist, scholar of history etc

~~watch out for patches of quicksand as you sojourn life paths~~

just a viewpoint there Doctor DTA,
there is some valid truth in your meme,
but U tread dangerous ground when U
attack others' sanctuaries...i vote my last
'FOR' to you this final week of 2004...



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 02:24 PM
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Quote: "Christians don't want to admit it but the true Lord of this world is Lucifer".

"Modern Western Societies" hold MONEY as Supreme! MONEY = MAMON = SATAN! Behold the Invention of Politics & Deceit! Money & Politics have been around for a VERY Long Time - even 2000 Years ago in Jesus' day! Hence you had Certain Power Hungry Rabbi's calling Jesus (the Son of God) a Blasphemer, Heretic & Bastard! He is in-fact the Saviour - he leads to PEACE!

Only a small percentage in America Celebrate "Christmas" in a Religious way! Just look at the Push of Commercials on TV around this time or Year - it is simply a Secular ORGY of CONSUMERISM! Satan does indeed rule the "Modern Western World" - but is Satan Almighty? I think NOT!

Material without SPIRIT is EMPTY & Useless (just like the Non-Existent Soul of the Materialist)! We as a Species must learn to BALANCE the Material & Spiritual Aspects of the Universe! Because - as Buddha Suggests - the MIDDLE Way/Path is BEST!

Also the "Book of Enoch" is also quite Interesting! I hold the Position that "Angels & Demons" are in-fact Extra-Terrestrials! I have for a while now & I still do!

Also - on the same note - I am pretty sure that ENOCH = HERMES/Mercury = THOTH/Tahuti! Interesting - no?


[edit on 28-12-2004 by Seraphim_Serpente]



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by LadyV

www.econcrisis.homestead.com... - I found that listed in the "The best-organized Satanist forces operating presently inside the United States" was Wicca.

This is bunch of BS and furthermore totally incorrect. The Christian "satan" has nothing to do with Wicca....nothing! Our main tenet is to harm nothing, even ourselves....as anything you do positive or negative, "will" come back to you three, or none fold.....now, there are people that play and do negative things and say they are Wiccan.....just as you have Christians that hate, they really aren't Christians......what a bunch of crap and misinformation!


I know. Wicca has no Satan. And the main "rule" is harm none. So why would anyone think or misinform people that Wicca is involved with some Satanic conspiracy? To make people have some ridiculous view of Wicca? I think the people who created this site need to get out a bit more often.



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 10:47 PM
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Sir Francis Bacon (a.k.a Shakespeare) was a Luciferian? - Fascinating! Luciferianism is a Sect of Christianity that believes in FreeWill (Thelema = Greek for WILL). There was even a Christian Monk named Lucifer!

In addition - just because someone is Religious doesn't necessarily mean that they are Moral - have you ever heard of Religious EXTREMISM (Like people Killing Doctors that Perform Abortions - Hypocritical Idiots)!

There was even a story in the News recently about an Insane Couple who Killed their Children because they perceived the Voice of "God" telling them to do it. Stories like this are not new - Remember that Insane Lady who Killed her Kids in the Bath tub because "Satan" told her to do it - This is all just excuses - a dismissal of Personal Responsibility!


[edit on 28-12-2004 by Seraphim_Serpente]



posted on Dec, 29 2004 @ 12:07 AM
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You are right Doctor DTA, Satanist are shaping our culture.
Our society is becoming more and more perverted as the mass media continues to bombard us with sex from every angle.

Twenty years ago I would have never thought that I would turn my TV set on and see two men laying in bed kissing. the system is trying to force these vile lifestyles upon us and get us to accept them as being normal.

No longer do our children learn to build and think for themselves, as we did when we were kids. Todays youth are consumed with video games that teach them nothing but "WAR" . I doubt you can find many games that are constructive and teach our youth anything. There are no jobs that pay you for obtaining high scores in pacman or any other game.

The Music Videos paint a false sense of reality and cause many of our youth to rob, steal, kill, sell drugs and do whatever is necessary to have the Gold Rings and Chains, The SUV's with 22in. Wheels and the scantly clad women jezebels. It also causes them to waste their lives thinking that one day they too could be a rap star, which in my opinion plays a part in the breakdown of our moral structure.

And Yes, It is Satan and his followers that are behind it all.
Satan is the god of this world, for this was the dominion given to him by Jehovah God, but he can do no more than God allows him to do.
The Bible says, "Great Is The Mystery Of Godliness" There are many questions as to why God allows satan to do what he does, and we will not know the answer to them all on this side of the river.
The Bible says "We Know In Part" but that one day we shall know are we are known.

What is known is that satan is "A Liar", A Deceiver", The Accuser of the Brethren" that he comes only to Kill, Steal and Destroy. He is the one behind all the Wars, The Poverty, The Sickness and Diseases, Racism, Sexual Perversions and all other Ill's of our society.

His plan for these last days is to destroy and enslave us all. We can see how he is beginning to tighten the noose around our necks, with all of the current and forthcoming technology that will cause many to become his slaves.

The camera phones are not off, just because the case is closed, they can still see and hear, don't be decieved.

The navigational system in your car can also hear your conversations without your knowledge and can track and shut down your vehicle at a moments notice. Since when did GM give you any free accessory in your car, yet they put a $1000- $1500. Onstar system in many cars as standard equipment. As greedy as they are why are they so willing to install these systems for free ?
They have an agenda, a trap that is about to be sprung before you can blink an eye.

They now have the ability to watch you as you watch TV, with cameras hidden in cable boxes and satellite recievers.
(Remember George Orwell 1984 ?)

Did you see Enemy Of The State ? That was Old Technology, imagine what they have now. I can sell you almost anything you saw used in that film.

Cameras beginning to appear on all major highways.

Daily they are taking away our rights

Why do americans have to go through the same scrutiny as a terrorist would and we have lived in america all our lives. They could have just as easily had airlines strictly for native born americans and seniors, we are not the terrorists.

Their agenda is to be able to positively identify everyone so that it will be easy to Give "ALL" a mark when they institute Martial Law in the near future and cause all to worship their master "satan".

The fingerprints of the satanists are everywhere, all you have to do is open your eyes and "LOOK.



posted on Dec, 29 2004 @ 12:29 AM
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I agree that the world has changed for the worse, but I wouldn't say this was caused by some Satanic force. I would say that it was the evil in humans themselves. We can't blame our problems on something else.



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