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Thats not even Russian ammo. And you cropped the original pic.
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: intrptr
So now you're trying to claim an SU-25 was able to fly well over its service ceiling and not only catch up to but surpass a faster aircraft? I also find it funny that you seem to be arguing 30mm cannon fire will leave larger holes in armor than a fuselage.
originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: intrptr
Russian arms manufacturer Almaz Antey claims that an older version of the Buk surface-to-air missile found in Ukrainian but not Russian military arsenals downed flight MH17 over east Ukraine.
Mikhail Malyshevsky, adviser to the director general of the state-owned arms consortium, said that the conclusion had been formed by company experts after studying photographs of debris from the crash site.
Damaging elements come from outdated BUK-M1 missile
After analyzing the nature of damage dealt to the aircraft, manufacturer Almaz-Antey came to the conclusion it could only have been caused by one of the missiles from BUK’s older line of defense systems, namely the BUK-M1.
Hmm, that sure looks like they're saying it was a BUK to me.
Amazing how that gets completely ignored.
After analyzing the nature of damage dealt to the aircraft, manufacturer Almaz-Antey came to the conclusion it could only have been caused by one of the missiles from BUK’s older line of defense systems, namely the BUK-M1. The missiles in question are widely deployed by a number of post-Soviet states, including Ukraine, but have been replaced by a newer make in Russia.
That doesn't change the fact it is a 30mm round. The country may be different a 30 mm round is still a 30 mm round.
And I never said it was RUssian ammo now did I?
I've been saying from the start that I'm willing to bet it was a tragic accident by rebels targeting what they thought was a Ukrainian transport.
You cropped the photo showing US training rounds, trying to mislead everyone as usual.
Should stick to what you know. Obviously some knowledge of ballistics and ammunition are required on a thread titled "How we know Russia downed MH17".
A lot of Ukrainian military equipment was captured or stolen by the rebels when entire units went over to them, including SAM launchers.
When the (Kievians) cleared the flight over hostile territory, they had every intent of causing a "mishap".
All flights were cleared over that airspace…
Off course, it could just aswell have been the Ukranians themselves, with their BukM1's, let's not forget that option.