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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: micpsi
People are still trying to push the SU-25 angle? Even Russia trotted out the BUK manufacturers to claim it was downed by a BUK. According to the story you posted three jets were scrambled but only one returned. The rebels had made it known in the past when they downed Ukrainian aircraft. So why not this time? Then there's the fact that the separatists don't have any aircraft. So why would Ukrainian jets be scrambled with A2A misses? And finally there's the simple fact that an SU-25 doesn't have the capability to catch a 777 even when it's unloaded. Its ceiling and speed are both far below that of the 777.
Well it becomes hard to deny when a fragment of one was found around the wreckage.
And how would one know the difference between the sounds of a BUK and something like say grad rockets if they have never heard them before this?
look for the truth where ever it is spoken . You have remained consistent on the Ukrainian deal from the get go and have only regurgitated their rhetoric .
Point for that but you are only keeping alive a bunch of things that are not true and avoiding things that are true that could get us closer to the truth .
Why is the CIA silent ? Why haven't the State Dept . releases anything more the Google sourced social media reports ?
Russia has supposedly invaded Ukraine 20 times over the past while . Where is the official prof ?
Could it be that there is none and the officials will only spout propaganda and not provide prof because they have none ?
Russian president Vladimir Putin revealed that he secretly planned the annexation of Crimea months before the country's disputed independence referendum.
What about the round 30 mm cannon holes in parts of the fuselage? Thats not BUK.
Grads are cluster fired, short burntime rocket motors. Woosh, woosh, woosh!
Buk, not. Hi altitude anti air craft missile, burns a lot longer climbing to altitude. Then, theres the report, away up there. let alone the missile track of smoke. That can hang in the sky for minutes, long enough for people to come out and see it.
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: tsurfer2000h
The US isn't obligated to show what they have as evidence in an international event such as this, especially not to those who aren't involved in the investigation…
Whomever is keeping the evidence secret is the guilty party.
Considering the SU-25 coudnt get up to that altitude and stay there long enough to even fire its cannon to put holes in the aircraft id say its SHRAPNEL/rods from the SAM/buks/ Fragmentation warhead. Tungsten rod penetrators most likely.
Remember a tweet that was sent out by the men in donbass saying they shot down a transport that was then deleted once they figured out it was nto a transport? smoking gun to me.
Once again Global research has been shown to be as biased as Alex jones,and or RT news or storefront.
The Russians have radar of mh 17 being tailed by a jet they also have a witness willing to testify and have named the culprit furthermore there are eyewitnesses who seen fighter jet at time of the shooting down as reported by the BBC in there now deleted report other facts an su_25 can fly over the recommended ceiling height buk missiles leave a trace that last between 8 to 15 minute weather plays its part how long it last can last longer nobody has seen nor photographed a trail in the area at the time of the of the crash these are the only facts available to the public everything else is just speculation and propaganda