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That is BS a person I work with had an American wife (she died in a auto wreak) who dressed in pants and skirts when they were here, if they went back (to his country) she was forced to wear the niqab.
originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Willtell
I agree with everything you have posted, but I have a question about where your faith in the Hadith lies.
Personaly I believe the Hadith has destroyed Islam.
From what I have read in the Hadith, I believe it was written by those with a mere temporal understanding. I believe modern Islam is now a religion created by the Hadith.
The Quran itself doesn't support a hierarchical religion, yet the Hadith seems to support such hierarchy. Your opinion on the Hadith would be greatly appreciated.
originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Kapusta
Saudi Arabia doesn’t have authoritative clerics?
It is a clerical sect.
First, let me answer you about the unseen.
Were not referring to mundane things like what’s around the corner or what Johnny is doing in the bed room
The word in the Quran is Ghaibi it is a word that means unseen spiritual subtle realities such as Angels, Jinn, and the insights of the heart, knowledge of the hearafter, Qiyama, etc...
No one claims the prophet is omniscient only God is.
Sufism or mystical Islam believes there is a methodology that can produce what’s called (Insanul Kamil) perfect human, in this worlds life. Similar to what Buddhist call enlightenment or Satori
The Quran refers to the few when it says the foremost in paradise will say
“This is what was given us before”
What you’ve got to understand is that Sufism or Tariqah is NOT for everybody.
In this worlds life it is recognized that few reach Insani Kamil
All real Sufis are Muslims but Muslims are not Sufis
One should try to understand things by insight not just through dogmatic rigid belief
Tariqah is the inner meaning of religion.
Essentially Shariah is the outer law that aims to deal with experiential relationships that humans have with each other within the community of humanity. For instance, the laws enumerated in the 10 commandments, or the rules and guides regarding marriage and child rearing, criminal codes and such the like that seek to instill virtuousness and peace within the individual and community at large are within the purvey of the Shariah
Chapter (49) sūrat l-ḥujurāt
Sahih International: The bedouins say, "We have believed." Say, "You have not [yet] believed; but say [instead], 'We have submitted,' for faith has not yet entered your hearts. And if you obey Allah and His Messenger, He will not deprive you from your deeds of anything. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."
Pickthall: The wandering Arabs say: We believe. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Ye believe not, but rather say "We submit," for the faith hath not yet entered into your hearts. Yet, if ye obey Allah and His messenger, He will not withhold from you aught of (the reward of) your deeds. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Yusuf Ali: The desert Arabs say, "We believe." Say, "Ye have no faith; but ye (only)say, 'We have submitted our wills to Allah,' For not yet has Faith entered your hearts. But if ye obey Allah and His Messenger, He will not belittle aught of your deeds: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
Shakir: The dwellers of the desert say: We believe. Say: You do not believe but say, We submit; and faith has not yet entered into your hearts; and if you obey Allah and His Messenger, He will not diminish aught of your deeds; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Muhammad Sarwar: The bedouin Arabs have said, "We are believers." Tell them, "You are not believers, but you should say that you are Muslims. In fact, belief has not yet entered your hearts. If you obey God and His Messenger, nothing will be reduced from your deeds. God is All-forgiving and All-merciful.
Mohsin Khan: The bedouins say: "We believe." Say: "You believe not but you only say, 'We have surrendered (in Islam),' for Faith has not yet entered your hearts. But if you obey Allah and His Messenger (SAW), He will not decrease anything in reward for your deeds. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
Arberry: The Bedouins say, 'We believe.' Say: 'You do not believe; rather say, "We surrender"; for belief has not yet entered your hearts. If you obey God and His Messenger, He will not diminish you anything of your works. God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.'
originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Kapusta
All Muslim schools of thoughts: Maliki, Shafai, Hanifi and many others ALL claim they follow the right Shariah
It’s a subjective opinion.
Salafi too often are intolerant and dogmatic as if they have the Shariah and others don’t.
Some of them are like Nazis, rigid, intolerant and overly ethnocentric
Sufism has been a prominent movement within Islam throughout most of its history. It grew out of an early ascetic movement within Islam, which, like its Christian monastic counterpart, sought to counteract the worldliness that came with the rapid expansion of the Muslim community.
The earliest form of Sufism arose under the Umayyad Dynasty (661–749) less than a century after the founding of Islam. Mystics of this period meditated on the Doomsday passages in the Quran, thereby earning such nicknames as "those who always weep."
These early Sufis led a life of strict obedience to Islamic scripture and tradition and were known for their night prayers. Many of them concentrated their efforts upon tawakkul, absolute trust in God, which became a central concept of Sufism.
Another century or so later, a new emphasis on love changed asceticism into mysticism. This development is attributed to Rabi'ah al-'Adawiyah (d. 801), a woman from Basra who formulated the Sufi ideal of a pure love of God that was disinterested, without hope for Paradise or fear of Hell.