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posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 09:08 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Aryameher

Then WHAT about arming a CLIENT with a nuke?
Hamas or Hezbola?
OUT of the question?
IT IS what is DONE by Iran historically,they would NEVER dirctly move against anyone because of ALL that has been stated but to ARM a deniable source would be the same thing anyway to western doctrine.


Goes against all logic, you don't nuke your own house because then you cant live there either. So Iran sending a Nuke directly (a Nuke Which doesn't yet exist) or arming the Fat Bearded Guy in Hezbolla, itst he same thing, Nuclear explosion in the ME. So Either Israel Nuking Iran or having UK/PK/USA or ISIL or anybody do it. Its the Same result. Israel wont allow its proxies/clients (USA/ISIL/West) to throw Nukes in the Region, Just like Iran wont allow irs Proxies throw Nukes in the Region.

Also. FYI. Hamas is not Iran, we have tried to help them time to time, but they are arab and palestenian sellout resistence who last time Joined arms with Saddam to invade Iran and now they are joining their Allahuakbar brothers in ISIL. Sect matters more to arabs than the zionist/enemy/crusader whatever it may be sitting at the gate.




posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 09:22 PM
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a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Why would Iran Nuke Israel; We'll When did Iran say We will Nuke ISrael. Well it didn't, and well we wont.

Why would Israel Nuke Iran; and the ME region it wants to live in? We'll it wont.


I have no Idea, Ask the Armchair generals online why they want to play these things out in their mind. Its like PORN to them.

A theory that an Israeli Iranian alliance to take out Westerners and Arabs altogather would be more credible and probably holds more ground and chances of Russian/Asian backing than these things we are saying here. Nuke is not a little Granade you throw and its all done, Last thing you do is send Modern Nukes to your next door neighbor, because not only M.A.D will apply but the radiation, fall out vice versa makes your own life and land impotent.

That said, we fought the world in the 80's with our bare hands and books, 4 decades later, I dont think anybody in the world(Let alone that european football field sized nation israel) is capable of sustaining a war against Iran without going M.A.D. As for conventional warfare, good luck, Isarel got kicked out by the Persian trained Hezbooboo.. USSR, USA, UK we all know since alexzanders time what happened when they try to invade Southern Persia (Modern Day Afghanistan). Farmers with Ak47's in Asia and Bearded rag tag 4th grade RPG milata in Afghanistan fighting the worlds greatest militery + other superpowers riding donkeys and using some home made bombs and Ak47's. You are having a hard time with these 3rd world farmers, god forbid you actually fight a real military. China, Russia, Iran is not Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Cuba or Korea.

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posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 09:44 PM
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a reply to: Puppylove





It is when comparing technological power and taking all rules off the table. Lots of countries are.

Take away restraints and allow the technological powerhouses to go buck wild on a country less technologically advanced with no concerns for conserving the countries well being, and it's not even a fight.

The US, the disgusting monster that is, has put more resources into it's military than most countries combined. Let them actually use those resources with no restraints and no goal other than complete obliteration, and well, only a few countries could fight back at all.


Well in theory yes, 100% bet agree, sure; But; In Practice. That will never be allowed by the international community unless you want to go WW3 or M.A.D. like Germany tried on Jews and Lesser powers in EU in WW2 or USSR tried in 80's on Afghanistan and both ended up getting butchered and by the end of the war was no more a country.


And one may argue USA has already taken away all restraints apart from using the nuke(Ah we cant fight em anymore, lets pussy out and nuke em). I mean the Greatest Military Power in the world, with backing of multiple other world powers. Using Advanced Weaponry, Trained KILLING Machines (Solders), Using Helicopter Gun Ships and Fighter Jets, Tanks you name it. Droning and Killing Civilians by the Hundreds of Thousands even Millions, Is Pretty much going Buck Wild on some untrained goat riders who gave them a hard time.

And very right you are on Korea or Vietnam, however if Japan was to be repeated anywhere in the world today, USA cant expect to just walk away scotch free. It will likely see similar retaliation, Same applies to Russia, Israel, Iran.. If you just take out the nuclear genie out of the bottle, well you are F# but so is everybody else and a lot of the everybody else may come after who started it. I dont think Iran or USA or Russia are stupid enough to appear as the aggressor. Saudis, Pakistan, North Korea, Israel, Britain may be another can of worms however in a conventional war, Iran will make Vietnam look like a walk in the park, and far far from winning anything, if you remember all the war games, USA never came up without heavy losses, Iranians have been preparing for invasion for 4 decades now. And unless stepping up to nukes, and by doing so sparking a new war, a world war. Iranian, Russian leadership is not stupid enough to do that. The wild card being, nor is USA but under Israel/Zion holding it hostage, war hawks coming to power, color president being put up a front man for civil race war...in USA today, Everything could be possible.

Also there is a hidden game we are not seeing, the recent nuclear deal gives USA option to fund further green cia revolutionaries in the country, along with other plots for a complete regime change/coupe de ta/us invasion in 5 years. And Iran is not stupid enough to not see this and yet signing this deal, actually attacking Iran by USA or Israel may just be what Iranian Leadership wants, for the region to sympathize for Iran, and hence coming under more Iranian Influence to make empire.




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posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 10:14 PM
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originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: Marcus069
Would this then make them the envy of the muslim world? Would even the Sunnis rejoice at this event?


Op I am A sunnie Muslim ,Salafi to be exact , No I would not rejoice and surly none of my fellow brethren would.

Even though Iran are Shia majority and their creed is differing from us Sunnies , so much so that it put's us at odds with each other .

I will say that I don't believe Iran's intentions are to wipe out Israel . This idea was used as a fear mongering tactic.

Also keep in mind that Iran has Orthodox jews living in it's country. just as Israel has Iranians living in it's country .

If Iran was hell bent on taking out the jew's wouldn't they start by taking out the ones in their own country?



of course CNN has to put a spin on it , but the reality is jews live comfortably in Iran.

I wonder when more people are going to wake up and realize that this whole Israel Iran issue is a problem with the war mongering pigs who run government's .

And In my Honest opinion i fully believe Israel is making this a bigger problem then it really is .


Salafi/Wahhabi is not Sunni.

I have friends who are from Pakistan, Turkey, Bangle, India, Malaysia, ALL SUNNIS. Sunnis do not consider Wahhabi/Salafis to be anywhere near Sunnah of the Prophet. The Wahhabis were a British French backed creation, the founded Mohhamad Ibn Wahhab born some few centuries ago was like Joshep Smith of the Mormons and was bringing new innovation into the religion, so the People of Arabia, SUNNIS and all the Arabs including the FATHER and FAMILY of Ibn Wahab KIcked him out into the deserts of NJAD, a Region the prophet said would the devils horns will rise from, The saudi beduins later joined the Njadi Wahhabis, and slowly started to commit terror ACTS against ARABS, Killing off entire villages, raping women, and ultimately fighting the CALIPH and Ottoman CALIPHATE on alliance with the BRITISH! (The Pledge of Alligence to The King of England from Saudi King Abdul Aziz Ibn Al Saud in WW1 is still preserved in English Museum. While Wahhabis became leaders of Religious affairs in Arabia, Saudis were the Rulers.

Salafis are another Extension of Wahhabi, They call Sunnis & Shiah "Grave Worshippers" because we visit graves of our dead relatives, as did the prophet. A Pashtun friend of mine who now lives in England recently converted to Salafi ism and now considers Shia as the Enemy, Sunnis are idiots, and wants to join the american yanki funded Jihad in Syria to "Kill Jews and Shiah" - Keep in mind EVERY one of these Terror Groups as ISIL, Taliban, Al Ciada, Al Nusra, Al Shabab, FSA, MEK, All are "Sunnis" (In reality Wahhabi/Salafis promoting British American Islam.

My advice to any salafi is to become proper Sunnis.






of course CNN has to put a spin on it , but the reality is jews live comfortably in Iran.

Also keep in mind that Iran has Orthodox jews living in it's country. just as Israel has Iranians living in it's country .

If Iran was hell bent on taking out the jew's wouldn't they start by taking out the ones in their own country?


So You want us to indiscriminately KILL Jews in Iran?

Why?


Without Persian/Iranian Intervention Both Christians and Jews would had been wiped out by Romans and Babylonians.

Just like some Americans go shooting up Mosques and Temples you want us to fight Jew? Iranian Jews are against Zionism, They have not caused any damage as have the European Occupiers or Arabs! Iranian Jews are SEMETIC, NATIVES of the land, They have lived here for 3000 years since Cyrus the Great of the Persian Empire Freed 1 Million Slaves in babylon and freed these jews and made the 2nd temple in Jerusalem. This was the time Arab barbarians were burying their own daughters alive and Greeks were inheriting women as objects, when we had women leading military generals and paid equal wages. (But not such western rights to whore around of course).



If Iran was hell bent on taking out the jew's wouldn't they start by taking out the ones in their own country?


And that my friends is whats wrong with these Salafis, THEY want to KILL Jews, Shiahs, Christian and everybody. Islam does not permit that, Irans war is against ZIONISTS who occupy our land. Quran accepts Jews and Christians as the people of the Book, These Salafi Wahhabi Ideology are the prople the Prophet warned us of, aswell as being same as Neo cons, Christian Crusaders etc.

Your Salafi Mentality is the one whom should be attacked along with the Crusaders, and Zionists. Like did IRANIAN Salahuddin in the Crusades. Repent!
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posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 10:23 PM
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originally posted by: ntech


So at that point, they don't care what the rest of the world thinks anymore. They're done and they know it, but so will everyone else.


No one wins in a middle east nuclear war except maybe the Illuminati.


Nope, you need more knowledge, the Illumanaughty, Templars, neo Cons, Christian Evanglicalists, Mollahs whatever you want to call them, need a INTACT Middle East, The 3rd temple to be built and for the world to be ruled from Jerusalem by an false messiah. That was the Anglo Zionist goal, however thats where we come in.



posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 11:40 PM
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Iran's not going to use any nukes.
Talk about reprecussions.
The sanctions the UN would stack up on them would be crippling.

We'd probably cut off some of our funding as well.



posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 11:44 PM
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a reply to: Aryameher

Then AS AN American YOU will be fine I say.
I DOUBT either of us will have any say and I COMPLETELY detest my President,things SHOULD get better.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 02:27 AM
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a reply to: Marcus069

I assure you Jerusalem will be okay even according to Islamic sources to a certain extent as the information is needed to study to better understand. All I could say is that Jerusalem will be okay towards end times (to what extent I do not know).
Destruction of a holy site is against the religion but I bet many people didn't know that.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 02:43 AM
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originally posted by: Marcus069
Would this then make them the envy of the muslim world? Would even the Sunnis rejoice at this event?


Iran nuking Israel will be one of two triggers for a wider war around the Middle East region. The other trigger will be Iran going after Secular Turkey. Ultimately the Iranian regime is engineering it's on down fall. Eventually events in the Middle East and elsewhere are going to trigger a World War. Iran and Isis brand's of Islamic extremism will be wiped out.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 04:40 AM
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a reply to: Aryameher

What is really needed to prevent these possible outbreaks of nukes/violence/whatever is a proper new deal for the Middle East. A proper settlement where ALL peoples and groups (less Isis) get together and sort things out.

Palestinians. Give them a home. Make what is now Palestine a state. No more Zionist settlements, Israel has enough land in the Negev to develop. Give the Palestinians a state. They must also get East Jerusalem as the capital or there will never be peace.

Israel. Total acceptance throughout the Islamic world that Israel exists. It's not going anywhere. Not with 400 nukes. It is there and many people are now born in the land, they belong there. Acceptance that after being persecuted, largely in Christian nations (if we are honest) they need somewhere as a base. It is necessary following the first half of the 20th century. West Jerusalem as the capital or there will never be peace.

Saudis and Iranians. Get them together at a table, stop all the mad proxy wars that are destroying the middle east. If you want to go at it, then get it over and done with before either of you get nukes. Then get to the table and work things out.

Christian holocaust in the Middle East. The persecution of Christians and their exodus from their Palestinian, Lebanese, Syrian, Iraqi heartland in the Middle East must be stopped. The settlement in Palestine/Israel must take into account the Christians, it's their holiest place too.

Jerusalem. Split between Israel and Palestine, both have their capitals there............. But, the Old City becomes an international zone that belongs to no man........... Only God. There is to be no military there and it is a free zone where everybody respects the rights of others to visit and worship. Christian, Muslim and Jew....................... You are all Abrahamic and are the same religion


There is so much potential in the region. A new settlement is needed if things are going to get better. Maybe Obama opening things up with Iran is the first step
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posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 04:51 AM
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If Iran nuked Israel there would be two former countries engulfed and saturated under radio active fallout and debris.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 06:13 AM
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originally posted by: ufoorbhunter


I truly respect what you have said and surely have put a lot of work into it, but I'll just outline and inform the few things from a different perspective of the reality in the region and how a lot of us think.





What is really needed to prevent these possible outbreaks of nukes/violence/whatever is a proper new deal for the Middle East. A proper settlement where ALL peoples and groups (less Isis) get together and sort things out.

Palestinians. Give them a home. Make what is now Palestine a state. No more Zionist settlements, Israel has enough land in the Negev to develop. Give the Palestinians a state. They must also get East Jerusalem as the capital or there will never be peace.

Israel. Total acceptance throughout the Islamic world that Israel exists. It's not going anywhere. Not with 400 nukes. It is there and many people are now born in the land, they belong there. Acceptance that after being persecuted, largely in Christian nations (if we are honest) they need somewhere as a base. It is necessary following the first half of the 20th century. West Jerusalem as the capital or there will never be peace.



And that will never be. Palestenians have a land, its called greater syrian region of Palestine.

I myself will have no problem with the "Jewish PEOPLE" who live in "Israeli Occupation" to live where they are however there will only be accepted a one state solution under Arab, Palestenian or Other Middle Eastern Islamic Rulership. "Israel as a State" will not be ever accepted by me or most people in the region apart from maybe governments of Jordan & Turkey, not really because they are immigrants or they are jews or even that they are not natives and are from europe whatever. But mainly because they are an Armed Occupation created by People from another part of the world (Made by Europeans and for Europeans) if this was just a Jewish Migration under NATIVE RULE be it Syrians/Arabs/Egyptians/Turks/Persians then there would be no problem. Jews have always lived there, But as soon as You come in with arms or have another country invade with arms, and then take over a land by force and make another country for themselves or others. That my friend I know no one in the region who will allow it. We see it as a Crusader Invasion or Occupation and by hook or by crook, today or 10 years or 100 years, the longer the more bloodier it will be but it will be removed.






Saudis and Iranians. Get them together at a table, stop all the mad proxy wars that are destroying the middle east. If you want to go at it, then get it over and done with before either of you get nukes. Then get to the table and work things out.


Just like Israel, Saudi Arabia is a Fake Created Country. So Iranian is a Race referring to All people that are from the Iranic/Aryan liniage, Majority Persian, Azari(Turk), Kurd, Armenian, Tajik, Baluch, Pashtun, Loori. These are Sub Iranian Ethnicity. While Hizaz and Njad are two parts of Arabia, Saudis are the family that rules them.

While saudis have destroyed 90% of all Islamic Sites in the last 100+ Years. And are ultimately a Western Created proxy (Petro Dollar?)

The name of that land has always been Called Arabia, Saidi is not a Race, unlike Iranians, and The "Saudi Clan" were put in power in Arabia by again the Same USA/UK/FR/West/EU that created Isarel and many of the other Dictator puppets in the region (Ataturk, The Shah, Saudi) they all belong to the same camp. Saudis will come and go, they are in bad shape and well according to prophecies there would be such unjust rulers in both Jerusalem and Hizaz(Arabia). and both are supposed to be removed, seems someone is doing the bidding of fulfilling prophecies.





Christian holocaust in the Middle East. The persecution of Christians and their exodus from their Palestinian, Lebanese, Syrian, Iraqi heartland in the Middle East must be stopped. The settlement in Palestine/Israel must take into account the Christians, it's their holiest place too.


There is no Christian Holocaust in the ME, there is a Holocaust done by Christians, Jews and Muslims who are all backed by the same entity, The West. Before Ottomans went causing Armenian genocides. Ottoman Turks today are the best friends of both West and ISrael and this genocide is not mentioned much. Where there is a Jewish and Christian Holocaust, there is 10 more Muslim Holocaust that go un mentioned. Afghanistan was a Holocaust, Iraq was a Holocaust, Syria and Lybia were Holocausts, Palestine was a Holocaust that is going on till this day! Iran for example Iran has worlds oldest Christian Communities and second OLDEST CHURCH. Still Intact and people worship In it today! Imagine that.

Under Persian Muslims Ruling India (Mughals) for a thousand years, we built the Taj Mehel and if we wanted 1000 years was enough to wipe off Hindus or Forcefully convert everybody, instead INDIA became worlds richest economy by 17th century, Britain entered to establish a Colony and rid the Mughals, and pretty much looted the country to become the top economical power in the world by the 1800's. Indians Finally rid themselves of Britain rule 50 years ago.

Under our rule, the Christians, Jews, Hindus all have lived in peace. Even in Spain, and Southern Europe that Turks, Arab Moors and Persians Ruled over for 800 years. So the problem child is coming from western countries, whom again created this Beast ISIL version of Islam back in the days of Wahhab in Njad.

To realize how things come to being and how it falls in place you must study history behind all this, then you can see who's who.

Realize Saudis were put so muslim unity/empire/caliphate cant be created






Jerusalem. Split between Israel and Palestine, both have their capitals there............. But, the Old City becomes an international zone that belongs to no man........... Only God. There is to be no military there and it is a free zone where everybody respects the rights of others to visit and worship. Christian, Muslim and Jew....................... You are all Abrahamic and are the same religion


There is so much potential in the region. A new settlement is needed if things are going to get better. Maybe Obama opening things up with Iran is the first step




And truth be told, if the Muslims/Middle Easterners were to unite tomorrow under a strong Leader (rarely has this happened but when it has you know what follows) Example Iranian/Kurd Salahuddin, Found the Arabs for 10 years then took Turk & Persian armies and Arab & Egyptian Armies and removed the 90 Year old Crusader Occupation and by god is his Character still worthy of praise in the Secular, Christian & Muslim world till this day. Or Under Umar all the Arabs united and over ran Rome & Persia! Or Under Cyrus the Great of Persia, region became a large empire. So in a way its in western and israeli favor to never see unity between muslims, because when they do, its game over not only for israel but probably beginning for one long bloody war where millions on both sides will die. The Oppressed today(Muslims) will become the oppressor & aggressors on their former Oppressors.

Ultimately I dont think me, you or anybody else can offer an solution that will be widely acceptable by majority in ME. There will eventually be War, But Nukes wont be used,chances are slip and we can hope.

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posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 06:27 AM
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originally posted by: SLAYER69
If Iran nuked Israel there would be two former countries engulfed and saturated under radio active fallout and debris.



If America nuked Russia there would be two former countries engulfed and saturated under radio active fallout and debris.

If X (Enter Country Name) nuked Y (Enter Country Name) there would be two former countries engulfed and saturated under radio active fallout and debris.



Chances of the first situation I mentioned actually happening in reality is much much much more probable than Iran/Israel exchanging Nukes.
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posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 06:34 AM
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So from an Iranian population Israel will never be accepted as a state. What then happens? Israel will have to become Gods state, I really don't see Islamic rule over the Holy Land actually taking place. The facts are going against this all the time. Israel is growing at a rate that is already crowded and they will be looking for more living land at some point. What a crazy world we live in when the only way for Israel to survive is as you say a divided Islamic world.

People in the west have become quite prejudiced against Muslims today, most countries have had problems with their Islamic attacks like 9/11 and 7/7. The west feels under attack by Islamic fundamentalists, it's always in the papers and gangs of Pakistani men causing big trouble abusing young girls is an everyday news item in the UK. We are being conditioned to be fearful of Islam here. Silly thing is no muslim person has ever done me any harm, infact they are usually the nicest people I meet. The scary thing in the UK is gangs of young white poor lads and black street gangs, no muslim actually does me any harm in my life.

My best friend in Israel is an old man from Iran, I think he went there from Ishfahan and the whole of his life since going to Israel he has wanted to to go back to Iran and see it. Think he got to Israel in the 1930's when he was very young. He is different from most you meet, he doesn't like Israelis lol and still dresses in the traditional robes of his youth and sandals and most of his friends are Arabs



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 06:36 AM
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originally posted by: xpert11
Ultimately the Iranian regime is engineering it's on down fall.


Absolute Fantasy.



originally posted by: xpert11
Eventually events in the Middle East and elsewhere are going to trigger a World War.

Absolute True.


originally posted by: xpert11Iran and Isis brand's of Islamic extremism will be wiped out.


Absolute Truth mixed with Fantasy.

ISIL are funded & practices American/British western Brand of Islam, while their handlers, suppliers(middle men) and passage makers again are regional western puppets as KSA,Qatar,Turkey.

Iran has already removed itself from the grips of USA/West when it overthrew the USA Installed Shah (1953-1979).

I acknowledged in the beginning that the nuclear deal was a Trap, but if simple people like me a can see it, So cal the rulers of my country, they are not stupid, they may play your game but they will not fall for it.

Its Our region we will practice whatever brand of whatever we want. As soon as the Petro Dollar US Economy fails, so will its military, its support to provide protection for its regional puppets and clients and so will its neo colonial version of Democrazy and Warmongering be wiped out. This is highly probable looking at the way US is heading.
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posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 07:30 AM
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originally posted by: ufoorbhunter


Well let me get into details to your first question, I will get to your other ones easily later and should you chose to rephrase things after reading this as this should give you and the ATS community a comprehensive idea of the region, its people and fraction politics, its not as simple as it seems, Let me out line how it works in the region.

Accepting Israel

Arabian Arabs:

The Arab Leaders couldn't care less (Imagine the Crusades), If they could they would do it right now and get out of this mess. They care not of Palestinians or anybody.already. The Arabs as a Population won't accept it, And Arab people will overthrow their leaders the hint they hear Acceptance of Israel.


PG Gulf & ME Arabs

Arabs as in Qatar, Yeman, Oman are already turning against Their Leaders and are in the Iranian Neo PerSHIAn Empire Camp.

Iraq, well they are already becoming reannenxd with Iran hopefully sooner than later. (Creed & History). Saddam+USA War+ISIL just gave Iran clear ground to take over Iraq.


Syrians, Palestinians, Lebanon, Jordanian(Greater Assyria/Syria) will majority not Accept and will be some what un decided. the Syrians wont take Israel nor will the Government of Syria be it Assad or Terrorists. And the Jordenians & Kuwait, well they will not care that much.


Asian Muslims:

Pakistan Will Never Accept it, and the Government although crroupt wont do this not out of fear but simply because they are Jews. Afghanistan & Tajikstan (Seperated from Iran in last few centuries by Russian Empire & British "Raj"/Empire in India), Have Same reasons but wont care a dime what happens out side their land. Same Goes for Azarbaijan(Seperated from Iran after WW2 by USSR) unless They are all put under Iranian leadership which we plan to do eventually.

India/Bangladesh/Malaysia/Singapore the Muslim People will never Accept, but can't do much.


Turkey:

The Turkish People (Not Technically Ethnic Turks) are Secular as a State, Devided as a People. The Government can Accept Israel Tomorrow and will enjoy backing of a good majority of the People; However the people will be devided around 50% going in the Young Turks/Ataturk Join EU Secular Camp who will approve, and the other 50% in a few camps as "The Arab/Palestenian Cause and Israel is european occupyer"/ "Ottoman Pre Ataturk Islamic Empire Camps" (Not to be confused with Erdogans Neo Ottoman Ataturk Secular Ideology Empire). All of which in the former camp will not Accept Israel.

And this is a thing that the Greeks, Armenians & Kurds can use to stir up civil war, the last two groups are proxy partially of Iran whom wont mind to see 2, 3 or even 4 smaller countries made out of Turkey. (Greek States in the West, Secular Turkey in the Middle between the two Seas and The Islamic Ottoman Turkish/Kurdish/Armenian Blocks) and at least 1 out of the 3 (except secular Turkey) will be Anti Israel and closest to the ME Border.


This leaves the Young Turk Camp/Ataturk Camp Turks as a Secular state which again the Orthodox (Greek, Russian & Iranians/Armenian will love to destroy for their past actions and also due to the fact The Bosphorous Passage needs to be in Iranian/Russian control (Currently run by Turkey for NATO) which can at a time of War/WW3 be locked away so Russian Ships can not come out into the Mediterranean.


I have yet to figure out Berbers and North Africans and mostly for us they are a Wild card that can be spinned many ways.


As for Iran. 1. We Dont Like Arabs. 2. We have Our Own Minority Brand of Islam. 3. Religion can be a Tool we may use to unite people into a greater country but not through blood lust and by force as in the Arab/Western Sponsored ISIL. That said. I think Iran is the Only country in the whole region and beyond (yea I know sounds crazy) where the People are Regime have a neurotic connection, similar interests and the People can go have a say or actually do something specially in the "Accept Israel" matter that the regime will act whole hearty. The Average Iranian you will meet on the streets in Iran and even some Northern Tehran Rich Boys with Nice Toys will Never Accept it, If you think NAZIs were bad, or Americans are Chest beaters or ISIL are retarded, you haven't seen the Persian/Iranian/Aryan nationalists yet. Just look at the Iraqi Irani war and you will know what I mean, sounds like a joke but its so crazy its laughable. However this is not among the 1 Million Iranians(out of nearly 80 Million) who live outside Iran, as in the Green Zone CIA Color Revolutionary Guys in the West or the Shahi Guys and their persian slut sisters roaming around in US & EU.

Funny part in all this is, While Palestinian Leaders have had enough and have sold out, so have Palestinians had enough, they will take what they can get just to LIVE their lives in what was once their lands, unfortunately this is no longer their war but is turning into a western vs eastern race war and we will have very unusual bed partners, You will have Saudis, Turks Sleeping with US/UK while Russian/Greek/Persian/Central ME sleeping in another bed. And together we will make the ugliest bastard of a war the world has ever seen.

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posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 07:54 AM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Aryameher

Then AS AN American YOU will be fine I say.
I DOUBT either of us will have any say and I COMPLETELY detest my President,things SHOULD get better.


Sorry, I dont understand, I am not American, I have some family there who moved decades ago.
I understand what you are saying that we dont have a say but do you mean Iranians will be okay if they become american citizens and others (80 million in Iran and likely another 80 million spread out in the ME - Central Asian - Indian region) who are not americans will not be fine = will be Killed?



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 08:14 AM
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a reply to: Aryameher

Thanks for the enlightening view from the Islamic world on how different groups/countries view Israel and the possibility of making some sort of enduring peace with it. If what you state is realistic then there looks like absolutely no hope for peace as long as Israel exists as it is.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 08:29 AM
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originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: Aryameher

Thanks for the enlightening view from the Islamic world on how different groups/countries view Israel and the possibility of making some sort of enduring peace with it. If what you state is realistic then there looks like absolutely no hope for peace as long as Israel exists as it is.


I am afraid, Yes and No. Yes for Israel, No For Israelis. as in Israel can not exist, but the people who call themselves Israeli can peacefully co exist as Jews not just native but those from many parts including Spain have been housed previously in the same region. What the region wants is not a ISLAMIC Jerusalem or Islamic this or that, in reality its more racial, an Arabic or Middle Eastern Ruled "Jerusalem". How we see Israel is Europeans who took over Americas Rule and housed the Natives in small boxed regions, Instead we would rather see, Natives Ruling and any settler living in co existence under the Rulership of the natives. One state for all. I hope I got the message across right.

For example Iran has the Largest Jewish Community in the ME outside Israel. And the Iranian Jewish Community is the oldest in the world. Majority In Iran and in the Region and myself, Israel as a State wont be accepted. The key word is "State" Iranians and most people in the region wont mind the People living there as long as the state is "wiped off". However crazy arab wahhabi salafi type ISIL will instead go after the people and see no difference between the state or people. However good part about that is they are the minority and with the fall of Saudi and no Backing of US/UK based Arab/Regional puppets most of them will be wiped off.

We are against Zionism, the State, Similar to the Crusader State 1000 years ago, Actions of Arabs at that time were a mirror image of their actions today.

From where I see it, it will be "Cyrus in Babylon Scenario" or "Salahuddin in Jerusalem Scenario" all over again, They (Native or Invader Settlement) will be fought for victory but as soon as Victory is attained, These Jews (Like the Christians in the Crusades 1190AD or Babylonians in 550BC) from where ever can stay and be under our protection and become part of the community preserving their creed and culture as long as they dont demand a nationalistic state or cause anarchy. Just like many faiths do live in the secular west. However the difference will be it will be more strict, culturally vivid and a society of honor and religiousness will be kept as the core. And they(the people) can leave at our paid expense if they wish to go back to europe. This will require a Strong Leader both Religious and Military Symbolic. I hate to self promote, but I think a guy like the Ayatollah may be up for the Job not because he is holy or something but he makes a great leader that people will be obedient of = not going on killing sprees should some ISIL/Saudi Arab guy comes in.


It is a Political game at the end of the day, motivated by right and wrong, profit and desire of greed from another land, whom don't want you to have it. its a mess, but I will write your other questions in detail tomorrow, however let me leave you with this, watch this and tell me if whats being said and done here is wrong or what we dont preach or you fail to accept.


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posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: Aryameher

So long as the agreement is adhered to ...inspections and all ....there won't be trouble.
Don't become an American citizen...the food is lethal here.
AND if you support Jihadis we don't want you here.
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