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Another murdering muslim terror attack! Will obama call it work place violence again?

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posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 01:42 PM
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originally posted by: GonzoSinister
a reply to: Violater1

why does it matter the guy was Muslim??

like, why if the guy is Muslim do you and most people and the media focus on his religion, but like a white christian is just some a-hole with a gun? like religion isn't the same as race.. you are aware of that right?

like, for all he knew he was killing white Muslims in the Army??

Prejudiced getting in the way much?

is the issue here not... once again some other Guy easily got a hold of a gun and shot people because a country (im not judging this just stating fact, not even my opinion) which allows weapons to be bought freely and stands for free speech and beliefs cant manage people having radical beliefs and shooting people you simply CANT do it its like having your cake and eating it.

American Dream works two ways..



It is possible that he just popped off like a lot of young male shooters do. If so, I'll expect to see reports that there were psychoactive drugs involved just like with Lanza and the Colorado Movie Killer.

However, it may have also escaped your notice that many of the more fundamental forms of Islam consider themselves to in active Jihad against the Little Satan and the Great Satan (Israel and the US). ISIS is just one of those fundamental sects. Young male Muslims can easily become radicalized, and the Muslim community in the US is not immune. Heck, even the non-Muslim community has been called by ISIS recently.

So, he carries the earmarks of one who would be a prime suspect to have been radicalized within the religion of Islam by a group like ISIS.

That's why.




posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: reldra



Terrorism is normally religious or idealogical in nature


No..no..no..

Religious in nature? Don't think so, but then again...

en.wikipedia.org...


Anti-abortion violence is violence committed against individuals and organizations that provide abortion.[1] Incidents of violence have included destruction of property, in the form of vandalism; crimes against people, including kidnapping, stalking, assault, attempted murder, and murder; and crimes affecting both people and property, including arson and bombings.
Anti-abortion violence is considered to be a form of terrorism by the US Department of Justice[2] and is most frequently committed in the United States,[citation needed] though it has also occurred in Australia, Canada, and New Zealand. G. Davidson Smith of Canadian Security Intelligence Service defined anti-abortion violence as "single issue terrorism".[3] A study of 1982–87 violence considered the incidents "limited political" or "subrevolutionary" terrorism.[4]



Ideological perhaps in the formation of the thought of using violence in the pursuit of political aims as below.

defn


the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.



posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: aorAki

its not hate it is clear that our country like others around the world are being attacked by muslim fanatics but in this country the politicians want to bury there head in the sand and not admit it because that means they are failing protecting us. boston bombers the ft hood atttack now tenn. all done by mudlim fanatics is itso hard to beleive they were under orders from elsewhere.



posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 02:05 PM
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a reply to: proteus33

We shouldn't call them fanatics, extremists, insane jhihadists.

They are, "Unappreciated Non-Christian Gun-owners" who have just expressed their simple and sincere 1st Amendment rights by shooting innocent unarmed people.

For peace.






















/sarc



posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs




Was it even labelled terrorism in the 40s???


Funny you should ask...Hawaii wasn't even part of the States on December 7, 1941



is the 50th and most recent U.S. state to join the United States, having joined on August 21, 1959.


But if you want to start talking about why Japan attacked US ships after USA placed embargoes on Japan I guess thats the subject for another thread. Not surprisingly oil resources played a part

en.wikipedia.org...


In 1940 Japan invaded French Indochina in an effort to embargo all imports into China, including war supplies purchased from the U.S. This move prompted the United States to embargo all oil exports, leading the Imperial Japanese Navy to estimate that it had less than two years of bunker oil remaining and to support the existing plans to seize oil resources in the Dutch East Indies. Planning had been underway for some time on an attack on the "Southern Resource Area" to add it to the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere that Japan envisioned in the Pacific



posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 02:12 PM
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a reply to: marg6043




What is a "terrorist activity?"
Under the Patriot Act, terrorist activities include:

• threatening, conspiring or attempting to hijack airplanes, boats, buses or other vehicles.

• threatening, conspiring or attempting to commit acts of violence on any "protected" persons, such as government officials

• any crime committed with "the use of any weapon or dangerous device," when the intent of the crime is determined to be the endangerment of public safety or substantial property damage rather than for "mere personal monetary gain


1) or other vehicles...and 3) rather than for mere personal monetary gain...

Then if I'm hungry and steal a hot dog van that could be classified as terrorism?


edit on 17-7-2015 by TheConstruKctionofLight because: grammar



posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

When saying, "I Love You" Kills

I can see the headline now.



posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 02:17 PM
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a reply to: marg6043




• any crime committed with "the use of any weapon or dangerous device," when the intent of the crime is determined to be the endangerment of public safety or substantial property damage rather than for "mere personal monetary gain


So by that definition if Iraq or Libya or any of the other 100 countries that US has had military involvement in the previous century had a similar statute on their books US servicemen would be classified as Terrorists?

Don't bother answering, it a rhetorical question.



posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: beezzer

When saying, "I Love You" Kills

I can see the headline now.



Well, you are an evil westerner. You just don't understand his "culture" and his "needs".

He was frustrated by conservative talk-radio and the lack of empathy by the west over simple things like belief.

Why can't you just realise that all of this will all go away if you obey the dictates that he believes in!

You are doing this to yourself.





/extreme sarcasm



posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 02:21 PM
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a reply to: marg6043



Yes, oh, yes, sometimes I wonder if some people actually like to hear when Americans are targeted by terrorist acts and rejoice in the death.

I am sure somebody or some groups are dancing in the streets as we debate the despicable death of American soldiers in our soil and by who.


The OP seems to display a lack of empathy and does not care so much for the lives lost, but instead is fuelled by hatred and this is why they chose to post in the political Mud Pit forum. I find your above comment interesting, because the OP demonstrated they too do not care about "the despicable death of American soldiers" when one weighs the wording in the OP.

From the OP:



Now we have an American university trained, muslim electrical engineer, opening fire on unarmed Marines in two, yes, two separate areas, killing 4, and injuring several US citizens. Will obama call this another work place act of violence? He promises an investigation. Will it be just like another Benghazi through investigation? I know, I know, the obamabots will come in and spew their loving Bravo Sierra for their beloved socialist, but people, this has got to stop!
p.s. I know of the news OP. ATS allows a news OP and a separate forum OP.


From you:



I am sure somebody or some groups are dancing in the streets as we debate the despicable death of American soldiers in our soil and by who.


When one ignores the human factor and allow bigotry to influence how they address a terrible murder spree such as what took place, they too are no better than those scumbags "dancing in the streets".

...but what do you expect?

Hatred is often blinding. Just re-read your post (all of them)....with more awareness.


******

The OP did not state it and neither did you, but as a Canadian, I will:

My heart goes out to the dear loved ones of those brave soldiers along with their fellow soldiers in arms and the entire nation of the U.S. May they rest in eternal bliss.




edit on 17-7-2015 by Involutionist because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 02:21 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

I know, but I'm just not overly fond of burkhas. They're big and bulky and obstruct my vision.



posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 02:22 PM
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a reply to: reldra





That is not a war.



The same excuse was used for Vietnam " we would have ended Vietnam quicker if war had been declared" comes to mind. Tell that to the 100,000's Vietnamese carpet bombed or Napalmed



posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 02:29 PM
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Am I the only one who sees the advantage of dismissing and minimizing terrorist attacks.?

I mean it does the absolute opposite of what the terrorists want right? Surely that's a good thing?
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posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 02:34 PM
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originally posted by: crazyewok
Am I the only one who sees the advantage of dismissing and minimizing terrorist attacks.?



I mean it does the absolute opposite of what the terrorists want right? Surely that's a good thing?



On the other hand, dismissing it and not calling it a terror act might make them angry enough to plan an even bigger one.

So it goes both ways.



posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 02:36 PM
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a reply to: neo96




AKA Wahabbist's from the land of Saudi.

Dare I use your term best buds of the USA...

or....the bedfellows of US Economic interests and the propping of the Petro-dollar

www.globalresearch.ca...


The alliance between the United States and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia helped spread the ideology of fundamentalist Sunni Islam all over the globe. The majority of its victims are not citizens of Western countries, but citizens of countries that U.S. elites consider a threat to their economic and geopolitical interests. Many victims of Sunni extremism (often called Wahhabism or Salafism[1]) are in fact Muslims (often with a secular leftist or nationalist political background), moderate Sunni or members of Shiʿite Islamic faith.

This article addresses the history of Wahhabi fundamentalism and the examples of Afghanistan in the 80s, as well as the current situation in Syria. Both cases illustrate America’s responsibility for the destruction of secular, socially progressive societies in the Islamic world and elsewhere.

The Origins of Wahhabism

Wahhabi ideology serves U.S. interests for several reasons. Its followers’ archaic perception of society makes them reject any kind of progressive social change. Therefore they are well equipped to push back socialist, secular or nationalist movements, whose independence-oriented policies are a threat to America’s geopolitical agenda



posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 02:39 PM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight




Dare I use your term best buds of the USA...


I see that term used by some on here, with 'friends' like that who needs enemies.

Constantly stabbing the US in the back since FDR got in to bed with them.



posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 03:30 PM
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originally posted by: aorAki
a reply to: Violater1

Hate is awesome. Keep it up, you're doing a fine job.


ignorance is bliss. obama is a weak president with no balls to say it like it is.



posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 08:54 PM
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originally posted by: Involutionist
a reply to: marg6043


The OP did not state it and neither did you, but as a Canadian, I will:

My heart goes out to the dear loved ones of those brave soldiers along with their fellow soldiers in arms and the entire nation of the U.S. May they rest in eternal bliss.


And my hart also goes for the family members in my family that had died from serving this nation proudly, specially those that I never got to know, before you judge know some facts, see my husband served this nation proudly as a marine until retirement, my father served in Korea, he lost two brothers one in Korea as they were drafted together, a younger one in Vietnam, my mothers father died in world war two and lastly my brother also served in the navy

Never judge without facts.


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posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 08:57 PM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Actually I think you are smart enough to understand that this description falls under US patriot act definition, whatever any definitions are use in any other country I really not interested because that is not the topic of my discussion.




posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 09:02 PM
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a reply to: Swills

That's a very good and interesting observation, perhaps he choose guns because they are a an icon in our culture and also will give more excuses to the present administration for more gun control.




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