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originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: luthier
Some have mixed words that most philosophers including atheist scholars reject like agnostic atheist etc. their belief is true.
Agnostic Atheism has been around for over 100 years. Where do you find 'most philosophers' and 'atheist sholars' rejecting this term or particular theism?
Where do you find that most atheists are not atheists?source
7. Calling atheism a religion is like calling baldness a hair color. The “religion” of atheism and secular humanism is not taught in public schools, unless you think that conveying the best available scientific information is a religious act. If you wind up abandoning faith in supernatural things because of science, as many do, that is a collateral benefit to critical thinking.
Because if you admit you can not prove there is a god you are agnostic.
My knowledge does not come from googling facts from unknown sources and saying they are true.
It comes from rational philosophical arguments on the subject in philosophy classes guided by professors who can easily point out fallacy.
You can not believe god does not exist and also admit you can't prove that without just being plain old agnostic.
Personally I waiver between agnostic, deist, spinosism but am not an agnostic deist pantheist. That is ridiculous.
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: luthier
You're close. It means one thing, and one thing only, which is bolded above. Other than that, atheists are as varied in their beliefs as the thousands of sects of Christianity are.
Not really though those are specific minor differences. If one atheist believes there is no god and another that they can't prove it those are extreme differences.
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: luthier
Some have mixed words that most philosophers including atheist scholars reject like agnostic atheist etc. their belief is true.
Agnostic Atheism has been around for over 100 years. Where do you find 'most philosophers' and 'atheist sholars' rejecting this term or particular theism?
Where do you find that most atheists are not atheists?source
7. Calling atheism a religion is like calling baldness a hair color. The “religion” of atheism and secular humanism is not taught in public schools, unless you think that conveying the best available scientific information is a religious act. If you wind up abandoning faith in supernatural things because of science, as many do, that is a collateral benefit to critical thinking.
Because if you admit you can not prove there is a god you are agnostic.
My knowledge does not come from googling facts from unknown sources and saying they are true.
It comes from rational philosophical arguments on the subject in philosophy classes guided by professors who can easily point out fallacy.
You can not believe god does not exist and also admit you can't prove that without just being plain old agnostic.
Personally I waiver between agnostic, deist, spinosism but am not an agnostic deist pantheist. That is ridiculous.
Getting good sources is important for debate, which I see you have none. Try turning in a paper proving or disproving anything to your philosophy professor without sources. You would have learned that in Philosophy 101. Or at least in high school English class.
You can disbelieve God (s) exist because there is absence of belief and absence of data.
originally posted by: luthier
[quotlikeiginally posted by: reldra
Yeah but experimental data is theory. Christians can use (or mostly misuse) the finely tuned universe theory. God in the new physics is a good start to see rational god debate.
originally posted by: Klassified
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: luthier
You're close. It means one thing, and one thing only, which is bolded above. Other than that, atheists are as varied in their beliefs as the thousands of sects of Christianity are.
Not really though those are specific minor differences. If one atheist believes there is no god and another that they can't prove it those are extreme differences.
Can you re-word that? I'm not understanding your point.
I think you may be confusing atheist, with anti-theist. Most atheists are NOT anti-theist. Whereas most anti-theists ARE atheist.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: Ghost147
Dictionary.com defines "Belief System" as 'faith based on a series of beliefs but not formalized into a religion'
There is no "faith" or "series of beliefs" in atheism. There is ONE belief. We have nothing else in common.
Of course, who would listen to the religious when it comes to explaining atheism? LOL!
So without further adieu, I would like to know why some of you feel Atheism is a Religion or a Religious-Belief System?
Who cares? No one can describe my belief better than me, least of all those who claim to know about it!
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: Klassified
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: luthier
You're close. It means one thing, and one thing only, which is bolded above. Other than that, atheists are as varied in their beliefs as the thousands of sects of Christianity are.
Not really though those are specific minor differences. If one atheist believes there is no god and another that they can't prove it those are extreme differences.
Can you re-word that? I'm not understanding your point.
I think you may be confusing atheist, with anti-theist. Most atheists are NOT anti-theist. Whereas most anti-theists ARE atheist.
My point is there is no difference in these descriptions of atheism and agnosticism.
originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Ghost147
There are a few types of Atheist. The "Evangelical Atheist" are the loud obnoxious ones that practice hard line intolerance (what they accuse religions of).
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Evangelical Atheist: An evangelical atheist is one who not only believes there is no god or other supreme being, but is obsessed with convincing everyone around them to become an atheist too, usually through hard-line intolerance (the kind they accuse other religions of).
When cornered they usually try to put down their opponent's religion and bash them for 'blind faith', not realizing that their belief that there is no god is no more or less valid or provable than the other guy's belief that there is one.
Not to be confused with normal atheists/agnostics, who for the most part just don't talk about religion and accept the beliefs of those around them as their prerogative. Evangelical atheists are particularly common on the Internet, as organized religion is generally accepted as part of 'the system' of global human society, and lately it's become cool on the Internet to hate 'the system'. Evangelical atheist usually seeks to "convert" borderline theists, often by engaging in debate with fundamentalists.
The New Atheists see religion as a disease to be exterminated. Their dream, in short, is not a government neutral to religion, but a government actively hostile to religion. The evangelical atheists assume that religion must inevitably breed mindless fanaticism. We see a determined attempt not just to keep organized religion out of government (which most religious Americans agree is a good idea), but to suppress religion completely.
originally posted by: borntowatch
Here is a simple tip ghost
Why atheism is the new religion
Let that answer your query rather than playing games
Its all there on the net
Argue with the collective who disagree with you
Your unbelief is a belief in un
christians are scared of the dark, you are scared of the light
originally posted by: olbe66
a reply to: reldra
Science is not an act of faith, it is a methodology - an activity. It continually updates itself, and is open and encouraging of new data and perspectives.
To use a simplified analogy:
Most folks know how a door knob works, and what the inputs, techniques, and outcomes are. You twist the knob one way, push, pull, twist the other way, push, pull, etc.
Did the door open? Maybe the door is locked? Maybe the lock is broken? Maybe the door is nailed shut? Well, lets figure this out.
The door knob methodology/activity is based upon repeatable experience. It is not based on faith or unprovable assertions.
originally posted by: reldra
Who are you saying that to? And how is it that you are telling people how to post answers and by what means?
originally posted by: luthier
Explain it don't just google it.
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: Klassified
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: luthier
You're close. It means one thing, and one thing only, which is bolded above. Other than that, atheists are as varied in their beliefs as the thousands of sects of Christianity are.
Not really though those are specific minor differences. If one atheist believes there is no god and another that they can't prove it those are extreme differences.
Can you re-word that? I'm not understanding your point.
I think you may be confusing atheist, with anti-theist. Most atheists are NOT anti-theist. Whereas most anti-theists ARE atheist.
My point is there is no difference in these descriptions of atheism and agnosticism.
originally posted by: 3danimator2014
originally posted by: borntowatch
Here is a simple tip ghost
Why atheism is the new religion
Let that answer your query rather than playing games
Its all there on the net
Argue with the collective who disagree with you
Your unbelief is a belief in un
christians are scared of the dark, you are scared of the light
I beg to differ. I am not afraid in any way of the "light". I just dont belive in fairy tales. Show me a shred of proff of the existence of any sort of deity and i assure you i will not fight it, and will happily believe. And most reasonable atheists think this way.
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: luthier
Some have mixed words that most philosophers including atheist scholars reject like agnostic atheist etc. their belief is true.
Agnostic Atheism has been around for over 100 years. Where do you find 'most philosophers' and 'atheist sholars' rejecting this term or particular theism?
Where do you find that most atheists are not atheists?source
7. Calling atheism a religion is like calling baldness a hair color. The “religion” of atheism and secular humanism is not taught in public schools, unless you think that conveying the best available scientific information is a religious act. If you wind up abandoning faith in supernatural things because of science, as many do, that is a collateral benefit to critical thinking.
Because if you admit you can not prove there is a god you are agnostic.
My knowledge does not come from googling facts from unknown sources and saying they are true.
It comes from rational philosophical arguments on the subject in philosophy classes guided by professors who can easily point out fallacy.
You can not believe god does not exist and also admit you can't prove that without just being plain old agnostic.
Personally I waiver between agnostic, deist, spinosism but am not an agnostic deist pantheist. That is ridiculous.
Getting good sources is important for debate, which I see you have none. Try turning in a paper proving or disproving anything to your philosophy professor without sources. You would have learned that in Philosophy 101. Or at least in high school English class.
You can disbelieve God (s) exist because there is absence of belief and absence of data.
I am not a student. This isn't a debate as most people don't use logic anyway. And no googling things to support my claim doesn't make it true.
You can not disprove god there is no dats to prove that. If you want the closest thing to proof read the finely tuned universe concept. Check out Fordhams philosophy professors work. Or should I google random facts that make it sound like I know something?
originally posted by: Klassified
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: Klassified
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: luthier
You're close. It means one thing, and one thing only, which is bolded above. Other than that, atheists are as varied in their beliefs as the thousands of sects of Christianity are.
Not really though those are specific minor differences. If one atheist believes there is no god and another that they can't prove it those are extreme differences.
Can you re-word that? I'm not understanding your point.
I think you may be confusing atheist, with anti-theist. Most atheists are NOT anti-theist. Whereas most anti-theists ARE atheist.
My point is there is no difference in these descriptions of atheism and agnosticism.
Though they are close, there IS a difference. An atheist lacks any belief in deities. An agnostic doesn't claim lack of belief, or disbelief. Only that they have no knowledge either way. There is often confusion between the two.