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Is President Obama (unknowingly) fulfilling the "Peace and Security" Prophecy?

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posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 02:33 PM
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With the deal that had just been concluded between Iran and US (with its western allies), is President Obama unknowingly fulfilling the long awaited prophecy written at 2 Thessalonians 5:3?

Namely the "Peace and Security" prophecy?

To quote the Scriptures:


[1Th 5:3 KJV] 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."


What say you ATS?

The more I look into this, the more it's becoming clear to me that there's a very high probability President Obama is (unknowingly) fulfilling 1 Thes 5:3.


As per the latest speech given by the Presisdent:


This deal demonstrates that American diplomacy can bring about real and meaningful change, change that makes our country and the world safer and more secure."


www.timesofisrael.com...


Consider Also:

No other President is so intent on making a name for himself, namely the one who made 'peace with Iran' and for the world.

Namely the one who curtailed the power of the United States Armed Forces.

"Obama says ‘days of meddling’ in Latin America are past"

"US President Barack Obama has told Latin American leaders that the days when his country could freely interfere in regional affairs are past."

""While the U.N. was designed to prevent wars between states, increasingly we face the challenge of preventing slaughter within states," he said, adding that "in such moments, the international community will need to acknowledge that the multilateral use of military force may be required to prevent the very worst from occurring."

www.bbc.com...


"U.S. NO LONGER SUPERPOWER, NOW A BESIEGED GLOBAL POWER, SCHOLARS SAY"



A Western diplomat said talks would continue in the coming hours and that all sides were “committed to find a solution.”
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The Obama administration has made an Iranian nuclear agreement its main foreign-policy goal, hoping both to stop Iran from becoming a nuclear power and thaw the deeply hostile relationship between the two countries since the 1979 Iranian revolution. However, over the past 18 months, as the diplomacy heated up, the U.S. and its partners have dropped a number of conditions they once set for a deal.



Critics of the diplomacy say the U.S. and other powers have accepted terms that will embolden Iran’s regional power and do little over time to prevent the country from developing nuclear weapons. Fueling that debate will be the many questions an agreement will leave unanswered. Western officials say they believe they can achieve their central demand that Iran will be at least a year away from amassing enough nuclear fuel for a bomb for at least a decade.


www.wsj.com...


In addition, the latest poll taken of the American public shows a good support for it.


Poll: Clear majority supports nuclear deal with Iran


www.washingtonpost.com... tory.html

""While these issues are not the cause of all the region's problems, they have been a major source of instability for far too long, and resolving them can help serve as a foundation for a broader peace," he said in a 50-minute speech on the opening day of the U.N. General Assembly in New York."

www.cnn.com...



European negotiators also are in agreement with the Obama administration.



US and Europe 'on the same page' in pursuit of Iran nuclear deal, says Kerry


www.theguardian.com...


Once there, a "deal" , then world leaders will pivot to the conflict in Syria:


Kerry: Iran could 'very easily' participate in this month's UN peace talks for Syria


www.foxnews.com...

Others see this too:

Brit Hume on Kelly File:


Obama Not Fighting ISIS for ‘Safety and Security’ of US, but for ‘Political Reasons’


www.breitbart.com...


Above all, President Obama sees himself as the one who is able to bring the nations together - via the U.N.


UNITED NATIONS — The world is making progress on items ranging from human rights to global warming, President Obama said Wednesday, but all of that could be undone by the largest threat: extremist violence.

In his annual address to the United Nations, Obama urged all countries and religions — especially Islam — to reject the extremist ideologies that fuel bloodshed and threaten global stability.

"As we look to the future, one issue risks a cycle of conflict that could derail so much progress," Obama said. "And that is the cancer of violent extremism that has ravaged so many parts of the Muslim world."

The president's annual visit to the United Nations came the same week the United States began airstrikes in Syria against the Islamic State, one of the extremist groups cited by Obama. Attacks continued Wednesday. Last month, the president authorized similar strikes against the militant group in Iraq...


www.usatoday.com...


These are just my observation, but what say you?




posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 02:42 PM
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a reply to: edmc^2
I think we have a long, long way to go before there is a general sense of being in "peace and security".
Are there many signs of that complacent attitude at the moment?



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: DISRAELI

Looking at what the attitude of the world right now, it's very obvious the world body is tired of war and have been beating the drum beat of "give peace a chance". I think this event marks a pivotal moment in world history when people will think NOW is the time to pursue "peace and security".

Per my research, next in the agenda - pressure Israel to accept this deal for the sake of peace in the region.

Once this is done, they will pivot (as the report say) to Syria and deal with ISIS once and for all.

The ball is now rolling.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 02:50 PM
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I am concerned for Israel and its peace and security. Things are moving into place now.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 02:53 PM
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No offense (though I'm sure some will be taken) but these kinds of "prophecies" seem to me to be a lot like the false flag claims.

Say it, nothing happens, then some new thing comes about and suddenly THIS is what it really means.

I guess eventually somebody will be right about it.

Eventually.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: edmc^2

Short answer, no more than any other political leaders has ever done.

The point of that scripture is not that there will be one particular leader who will come along and proclaim peace and safety. It always is the claim of every potentate that he will establish peace and security for all who acquiesce to his authority. This includes promises of material prosperity and well being.

(As Tom T. Hall said: "it don't do men no good to pray for peace and rain. peace and rain is just a way to say prosperity, and buffalo chips is all it means to me.")

The point is that men are always corrupt and power always further corrupts them (and absolute power ... you know).

As they become more powerful, they begin to believe more and more (if they ever believed any less) that they are all-powerful and that they can do anything. In their own insane vanity, they become gods inside their heads and try to convince others that they are gods. This is where their downfall comes, for Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. (Proverbs 16:18)

So, to again answer your question: Is he? I'd say a resounding Yes!

Is he more than any politician who's come before him? A resounding No!



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 02:55 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
I am concerned for Israel and its peace and security. Things are moving into place now.


Prophetic events are unfolding right before our eyes!



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 02:55 PM
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a reply to: edmc^2
You may be right that people will be aiming at peace.
I still think a lot of work will have to be done before they finally feel they've got it. There is a lot of anxiety going around, which won't be allayed easily.
I would suggest returning to this prophecy once the belief that peace has been achieved has become commonplace.
(And Paul did not say that the catastrophe would come immediately there was a sense of peace and security, so further delay might be built in)


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posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 02:56 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
No offense (though I'm sure some will be taken) but these kinds of "prophecies" seem to me to be a lot like the false flag claims.

Say it, nothing happens, then some new thing comes about and suddenly THIS is what it really means.

I guess eventually somebody will be right about it.

Eventually.


These "prophecies" are most often not about specific events, but reveal eternal spiritual principles, truths that we ignore to our own detriment.

As my previous post pointed out, this is what all leaders in their pride do, and their pride always ultimately brings about the opposite of what they promise.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 03:02 PM
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a reply to: incoserv





Is he more than any politician who's come before him? A resounding No!


Amazingly, he sees himself as the "ONE" - a "messiah complex". The one who will bring about big CHANGE. Who knows he might become the next U.N President once he leaves office. This further guaranty that his legacy will remain in tact.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 03:04 PM
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Hey, Hillary Clinton used the actual phrase in reference to the Baltimore riots. Are we to be upset about her, too?



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 03:09 PM
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originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: edmc^2
You may be right that people will be aiming at peace.
I still think a lot of work will have to be done before they finally feel they've got it. There is a lot of anxiety going around, which won't be allayed easily.
I would suggest returning to this prophecy once the belief that peace has been achieved has become commonplace.
(And Paul did not say that the catastrophe would come immediately there was a sense of peace and security, so further delay might be built in)



Agree, I believe the phrase used by Paul was "whenever" or "while" they are "saying peace and safety" then sudden "destruction".

So in the coming days, I'd expect the drum beat will become louder and louder until it catches the worlds ATTENTION.

As Pres Obama said:


Today, because America negotiated from a position of strength and principle, we have stopped the spread of nuclear weapons in this region. Because of this deal, the international community will be able to verify that the Islamic Republic of Iran will not develop a nuclear weapon.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
No offense (though I'm sure some will be taken) but these kinds of "prophecies" seem to me to be a lot like the false flag claims.

Say it, nothing happens, then some new thing comes about and suddenly THIS is what it really means.

I guess eventually somebody will be right about it.

Eventually.


Yes, I agree but I think this time is different in that this President is INTENT in making a name for himself.

As he said:




I am confident that this deal will meet the national security interests of the United States and our allies. So I will veto any legislation that prevents the successful implementation of this deal. We do not have to accept an inevitable spiral into conflict. And we certainly shouldn’t seek it. And precisely because the stakes are so high this is not the time for politics or posturing. Tough talk from Washington does not solve problems. Hard-nosed diplomacy, leadership that has united the world’s major powers offers a more effective way to verify that Iran is not pursuing a nuclear weapon.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 03:21 PM
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originally posted by: edmc^2
a reply to: incoserv

Amazingly, he sees himself as the "ONE" - a "messiah complex". The one who will bring about big CHANGE. Who knows he might become the next U.N President once he leaves office. This further guaranty that his legacy will remain in tact.


They all see themselves as the one. Politicians are by-and-large the single most narcissistic and sociopathic demographic on the planet.

That's a scientifically proven fact. You can look it up.
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posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: edmc^2



Yes, I agree but I think this time is different in that this President is INTENT in making a name for himself.

Are you new to American politics? Every President has the intent on making a name for himself.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 04:10 PM
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originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: edmc^2



Yes, I agree but I think this time is different in that this President is INTENT in making a name for himself.

Are you new to American politics? Every President has the intent on making a name for himself.


Not all who occupied the office of the WH saw themselves as the "ONE". In fact once they they left office, many lived a quite life. Not this president. By all accounts, he wants his LEGACY to be preserved and remembered - even after he leaves the office.

To quote what he said:




Put simply, no deal means a greater chance of more war in the Middle East. Moreover, we give nothing up by testing whether or not this problem can be solved peacefully. If, in a worst-case scenario, Iran violates the deal, the same options that are available to me today will be available to any U.S. president in the future.

And I have no doubt that 10 or 15 years from now, the person who holds this office will be in a far stronger position with Iran further away from a weapon and with the inspections and transparency that allow us to monitor the Iranian program.

I am confident that this deal will meet the national security interests of the United States and our allies. So I will veto any legislation that prevents the successful implementation of this deal. We do not have to accept an inevitable spiral into conflict. And we certainly shouldn’t seek it. And precisely because the stakes are so high this is not the time for politics or posturing. Tough talk from Washington does not solve problems. Hard-nosed diplomacy, leadership that has united the world’s major powers offers a more effective way to verify that Iran is not pursuing a nuclear weapon.



Can you point one before this president who:

1. Normalized relations with "enemy" countries?
2. Curtailed the power of the United States.
3. Silenced his opponents in the face of obvious violation of the laws of the land - Constitution.
4. Created unconstitutional laws.

to name a few.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: incoserv

originally posted by: edmc^2
a reply to: incoserv

Amazingly, he sees himself as the "ONE" - a "messiah complex". The one who will bring about big CHANGE. Who knows he might become the next U.N President once he leaves office. This further guaranty that his legacy will remain in tact.


They all see themselves as the one. Politicians are by-and-large the single most narcissistic and sociopathic demographic on the planet.

That's a scientifically proven fact. You can look it up.


True, but to large extent, this president is different from those who preceded him in that he's making up laws as he see fit. That is to fit his agenda and legacy.

Be it gay marriage, amnesty for illegal aliens, unlimited spending, cutting down on military spending and the ever increasing social programs. You can add to it - apologizing to foreign countries and no response to total destruction of the Christian population in the ME.

I don't see anyONE who has ever done these in the past?



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 04:28 PM
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Hence, by all accounts, he sets himself as "above the law" by making up laws.

No one in the past has had this much POWER.

So like I said, he's (unknowingly) fulfilling the prophecy because that's what (I think) he believes his legacy is - the ONE who will bring "peace and security" to the world.

And he believes the World is NOW ready for it.

Next stop - the World Body - the U.N.


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posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 04:43 PM
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It can happen over and over as history repeats itself.

Neville Chamberlain now Obama.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 04:46 PM
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Bush was the first to use "Peace and Security" in his 9/11 Speech. That is why 9/11 is the Beginning of the End. Then, for a few months, or so, quite a few people said it --in speeches, on the news, etc. It was like they were going out of their way to say it that way. Then, like it began, they stopped saying it.
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