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originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: JadeStar
I've had a female boss before and I have no problem taking orders from a woman.
In so many ways you are an extremely open and exceptional fellow though.
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Threatened? No. I do work better under a male supervisor/boss though. This is a broad generalization gleaned from years of work experience -- but typically male bosses are more even-keeled and their expectations are more clear. You can generally depend on them to be more stable and consistent from day-to-day.
I worked with around 30 menopausal women for years as the only male (younger) and it was a living nightmare. The catfights, the backstabbing, the drama really wore on me. I just want to go to my job, do it, and go home. I'm not there to make friends, enemies or discuss my personal life. If I happen to make a friend, that's great. If I don't make any friends -- that's OK too.
I've had a fantastic female boss once...best boss I actually ever have had. She was hard working, clear, professional, fun and we're still friends years later.
I just know that when I have worked under women, I generally never know what to expect in the morning. Her kid may be sick, her dog might have died, her show may have ended, her dinner got ruined -- whatever it may be could have upset her. In my personal experience women seem to drag more of their personal lives into the workplace.
I would have to amp up my "feelers" to get a read on my female bosses first thing in the morning to get a sense of how the day was going to go. I've never had to do this with male bosses. Is it healthy for men to bottle up emotions? No, absolutely not! But, in a workplace environment, it's best to deal with those emotions outside of the office. Your personal life shouldn't become my personal life.
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: JadeStar
I hate Jezebel with every fiber of my being. Third wave feminism sickens me. Doing articles on "stare rape" and "manspreading".
There are REAL issues to tackle, such as the aforementioned pay gap, how we're unfairly given bias in family court, etc.
I could care less if some guy is mentally undressing me. I do it to hot guys all the time. Big freakin' whoop.
I digress, that's my rant on Jezebel.
Men are feeling threatened by the female becoming an actual force in the working world. This is especially true when a woman is promoted rather then men who applied for the same promotion. Rather than self-reflecting on why they weren't chosen, the lay the blame on something they can't control as a coping mechanism.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: JadeStar
I've had a female boss before and I have no problem taking orders from a woman.
In so many ways you are an extremely open and exceptional fellow though.
Hey, at the end of the day, we are all there to do our job, get paid, and go home to our families. You respect me as a worker and I'll respect you as a boss. Your gender means little to me on if I want to listen to your orders or not. However if you are a micromanaging asshole (regardless of gender), I won't be so open to singing your praises.
originally posted by: RickyD
Yes...this...x1000. It isn't absolute, but when is anything. I just notice in my own experience that this seems to be true. Also there have been 2 replies from mystic that I felt were the most explanitory and for me at least aligned with how I feel on the subject. What I find really telling is how the OP and the other women in this thread have ignored those replies to continue the conversation between themselves as if no one wants to try and touch those posts. This seems more like an I'm right and you men need to agree or be wrong type of thread. You guys have fun with this one...
originally posted by: JadeStar
I didn't even think of the race issue to be honest and i only thought of gender because some of the other women thought that was probably the issue when we talked candidly about it in private.
i asked them and some of the guys who had no problems if they thought i was doing anything vastly different than our former boss and they told me no and in some ways i was more organized and that helped them do their job better.
Ok, but for how long?
It is my view that we all should be striving to eliminate such inequality and unfairness.
If this were a feminist hugbox thread I'd think we'd be shooting DOWN your posts rather simply discussing around them. Mystic has a good point. Even among my female peers they tend be gossipy, chatty, and bring a lot of their personal life into work. Yeah, sometimes we tend to lend personal crap affect us on the job. Men are just as guilty of this, though. Men have "Boys clubs" in most workplaces where they talk amongst themselves about which female employee is doing "favors" for the boss or some crap. This is especially true in office environments. Rampant in blue-collar work.
originally posted by: RickyD
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Threatened? No. I do work better under a male supervisor/boss though. This is a broad generalization gleaned from years of work experience -- but typically male bosses are more even-keeled and their expectations are more clear. You can generally depend on them to be more stable and consistent from day-to-day.
I worked with around 30 menopausal women for years as the only male (younger) and it was a living nightmare. The catfights, the backstabbing, the drama really wore on me. I just want to go to my job, do it, and go home. I'm not there to make friends, enemies or discuss my personal life. If I happen to make a friend, that's great. If I don't make any friends -- that's OK too.
I've had a fantastic female boss once...best boss I actually ever have had. She was hard working, clear, professional, fun and we're still friends years later.
I just know that when I have worked under women, I generally never know what to expect in the morning. Her kid may be sick, her dog might have died, her show may have ended, her dinner got ruined -- whatever it may be could have upset her. In my personal experience women seem to drag more of their personal lives into the workplace.
I would have to amp up my "feelers" to get a read on my female bosses first thing in the morning to get a sense of how the day was going to go. I've never had to do this with male bosses. Is it healthy for men to bottle up emotions? No, absolutely not! But, in a workplace environment, it's best to deal with those emotions outside of the office. Your personal life shouldn't become my personal life.
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
Yes...this...x1000. It isn't absolute, but when is anything. I just notice in my own experience that this seems to be true. Also there have been 2 replies from mystic that I felt were the most explanitory and for me at least aligned with how I feel on the subject. What I find really telling is how the OP and the other women in this thread have ignored those replies to continue the conversation between themselves as if no one wants to try and touch those posts. This seems more like an I'm right and you men need to agree or be wrong type of thread. You guys have fun with this one...
originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: NavyDoc
LOL, Even in the prophetic documentary called Idiocracy Money ruled.
As long as societies prioritization are based on money , money will make things fair for you. The more money the more fair things become for you.
I doubt Oprah and I in todays world have the same level of fair treatment.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
I could care less if some guy is mentally undressing me. I do it to hot guys all the time.
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: JadeStar
I hate Jezebel with every fiber of my being. Third wave feminism sickens me. Doing articles on "stare rape" and "manspreading".
There are REAL issues to tackle, such as the aforementioned pay gap, how we're unfairly given bias in family court, etc.
I could care less if some guy is mentally undressing me. I do it to hot guys all the time. Big freakin' whoop.
I digress, that's my rant on Jezebel.
Oh, i have seen good articles there and bad ones. I try not to paint with a broad brush. Anyone can embed a video on a blog or site so I wouldn't dismiss it because it was on Jezebel.
Men are feeling threatened by the female becoming an actual force in the working world. This is especially true when a woman is promoted rather then men who applied for the same promotion. Rather than self-reflecting on why they weren't chosen, the lay the blame on something they can't control as a coping mechanism.
So like, how do I or any of us help make them feel more secure and comfortable? [Emphasis by Railgun]
You haven't even BEGUN to feel violated.
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
I could care less if some guy is mentally undressing me. I do it to hot guys all the time.
I feel so violated.
originally posted by: beezzer
originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: JadeStar
Men ARE more threatened by female bosses.
Nasty creatures....
Women are soft and curvy and they smell good, but they are evil and they scare me.
Just like vampires or clowns.
I didn't even think of the race issue to be honest and i only thought of gender because some of the other women thought that was probably the issue when we talked candidly about it in private.
Well i'm not blaming "the white guy" here. FWIW one of the guys who constantly is questioning me and my decisions is african-american/black.
So now you're the one playing the victim card....
It is my view that we all should be striving to eliminate such inequality and unfairness.
originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
She said ''hot guys''.
Kidding, I comment not on your level of ''hotness''.