Think more guns equals less violence? Think again.

originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat
a reply to: CB328

Ahh, gun control threads. Just sit back and watch the mayhem unfold.

The most ridiculous thread possible on ATS, and absolutely NOTHING to do with Conspiracy theories.

Remember when ATS used to be a conspiracy theory site ? I'm going to change this saying to my signature.

originally posted by: Elementalist
If a civilian wishes to own a gun, to each his own. As long as they are responsible and went through the tests to be licensed, good for them.

That's not quite how the second amendment reads.

a reply to: babybunnies

I remember when skunk works threads didn't get shot down in flames the minute the OP hit the boards. I remember... ATS has evolved into... something... but I still love it and, like it or not, gun control is a hot button issue in the states.

If a civilian wishes to own a gun, to each his own. As long as they are responsible

Yes, but there are a ton of irresponsible people out there with guns.

I think we should change the second ammendment to say that people deemed responsible by their state can own guns sanctioned by their state for personal use. And minors would not be allowed to posses a gun in public and if they use one in a crime it doubles their sentence.

There's my two cents.

Isn't it incredible that I've owned three guns for years and nobody is dead from them. Incredible.

a reply to: CB328

I think that any person who uses a firearm during the commission of a crime should be given the death penalty.

a reply to: Ksihkehe

I'm surprised those inanimate tools have yet to force you to commit atrocity after atrocity yet. You must have some willpower.

originally posted by: gladtobehere
REGARDLESS.

Banning guns OBVIOUSLY hasnt helped, irregardless of where in the world its tried.

lol... is that a fact?

a reply to: CB328

The rub is who defines "responsible?" And when does "responsible" become an infringement of rights?

There are plenty of people who would seize on the opportunity to make sure that the only people deemed responsible by the state are agents of the state and not actually private citizens.

originally posted by: babybunnies

originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat
a reply to: CB328

Ahh, gun control threads. Just sit back and watch the mayhem unfold.

The most ridiculous thread possible on ATS, and absolutely NOTHING to do with Conspiracy theories.

Remember when ATS used to be a conspiracy theory site ? I'm going to change this saying to my signature.

The worst part is the threads aren't even about debate. I can't recall seeing one single person say "you know what? You've changed my mind and I'm buying/giving up a gun."

All it is, is a bunch of the same rhetoric over and over again, everybody gets all worked up, goes to bed, and goes on with their lives. There is literally zero impact from what I see.

And God forbid you be somebody in the middle of the debate. Catch flak from both sides most of the time.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Switch it up, Puddin'!

Argue FOR gun control this time.

In terms of the argument proposed by the OP, Chicago still has very strict gun control.

I would claim the biggest issue Chicago has is a gang problem. It's the culture there that brings about crime and violence.

Get rid of the gang culture and you get rid of the crime.

a reply to: CB328

You seem to want to point the finger at lawful owners, but you forgot? to include this in your OP. Gives a bit more context, huh?

"Criminals don't feel the repercussions of the justice system."

Take, for example, the death of 7-year-old Amari Brown. McCarthy said the boy was the unintended victim of a bullet meant for his father, a ranking gang member.

"Ranking Gang Member". Not "legal firearm owner".

You also forgot? to post this little tidbit. But, it wouldn't fit your whole "Guns Are Evil" tirade, now would it?

This year's statistics may sound staggering, but compared to last year, the number of violent incidents is down. For the same period in 2014, there were 64 shootings, 69 nonfatal victims in those incidents and 15 slayings.

a reply to: CB328

There's only one small problem with your thread and your source . They are both 100% innaccurate . Chicago first started enforcing its gun ordinance in 1982, it was found unconstitutional in 2010. The following is a list of murders per year for the years mentioned .


1983: 729[35]
1984: 741[36]
1985: 666[37]
1986: 744[38]
1987: 691[39]
1988: 660[40]
1989: 742[41]
1990: 851[42]
1991: 928[43]
1992: 943[43]
1993: 855[43]
1994: 931[43]
1995: 828[43]
1996: 796[43]
1997: 761[43]
1998: 704[43]
1999: 643[43]
2000: 633[43]
2001: 667[43]
2002: 656[43]
2003: 601[43]
2004: 453[43]
2005: 451[43]
2006: 471[43]
2007: 448[43]
2008: 513[43]
2009: 459[43]
2010: 436[43]
2011: 435[43]
2012: 516[44]
2013: 441[45]
2014: 432[45]


source


BTW If you watch the facts in the case in Waco Texas with the bikers. The cops did most the killing .

a reply to: Shamrock6

That's so true and why I usually just sit on the sidelines and make snarky comments.

originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat
a reply to: Ksihkehe

I'm surprised those inanimate tools have yet to force you to commit atrocity after atrocity yet. You must have some willpower.

I struggle with it daily. It's a true herculean effort not the go on a rampage. It's so difficult being a rational person and owning guns for sport and home defense. All us gun owners know how difficult it is not to commit crimes. Real struggle.

originally posted by: Domo1
a reply to: Elementalist

and went through the tests to be licensed

Should we tell him?

Where I live there are no tests. If you're 18 you can buy a long gun, if you're 21 you can buy a handgun (with a clean background check). If you're 21 and have a clean record you get your fingerprints taken, they check your background and you get a license to carry a gun. I actually think there should be a test personally, at least for concealed carry.

This is not helping my agenda, but meh. I'd rather be honest.

Lol! Nice dose of humour..

That is a bit wild though. . Doesn't sound to reasonable for anyone to walk in and buy a gun, clean record or minor record..

Some people just snap man!

Thanks for honesty though

a reply to: CB328

I live just outside Chicago. No one that I know of ever said gun violence would be a thing of the past if the ban was lifted. I do remember a lot of people saying that as long as the bad guys had guns the good guys wanted guns too. That makes a lot more sense than depending on the police, whose main job is to investigate crimes after the fact, to save you in time of need. I would rather live with a gun in my hand than die wishing I had one.

As for the bikers shooting each other in Texas and the violence in Chicago, both gang related BTW. There is a reason gun carrying citizens don't intervene: if we keep letting them go at each other sooner or later we wont have to worry about it any more. Besides, just because you have a gun does not mean you have to intervene in every gun fight you see. Now if they had opened fire on innocent armed bystanders, yeah they would have fired back. I know I would have.

You can crash a lot of parties without problems but a gunfight usually isn't one of them. If you aren't invited, don't go.

a reply to: CB328

I think cheeseburgers are what kills the most Americans currently.

Should we outlaw those as well?

It doesn't matter if you don't like my gun rights it is still my right and I value it very much. How about we try to take away a right you might actually care about? The ONLY way to go through life it to let others make their own choices and not try to enforce our own narrow minded views on another group of people. I would think you would have learned that by now.