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The Ban On Transgender Individuals In The Military May Soon Be Lifted

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posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 07:45 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc
Woah. Back up the truck here. What you said is Exactky the same thing that you guys bitch about we cis people say about you.

You are physically different than me. Thus, by your logic, I can talk down to you?


We are talking talking about the military that only recognizes two sexes. One has a penis and the other a vagina. I thought you'd have learned that in medical school?




posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 07:47 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: EKron
a reply to: 2wheelvet
Thanks for your service.

The quote in the OP says the military is not considering those that haven't completed transition so there won't be anything other than females showering with the other females, etc. All the back and forth in this thread was mostly about allowing in those that were in-betweeners



Ok cool, so if I'm an in betweener can I refer to you as a once had a wiener?


Aren't you older than me? That was rather childish.


Well I feel like being called an inbetweener is disrespectful so I bit back. Its not so fun on the return is it?


What would you prefer we call those who like you, have no intentions of having SRS?


You could start with my name or I would be ok with Trans woman, T-girl, gender fluid (though I don't like it), hell I'd even let the girls in our club call me a tranny but only amongst our own in a humorous manner, Ma'am, lady, her, she, my name....


What I mean is how would we differentiate between you and someone like Ekron or me?


Why should you? I thought you guys didn't like labels. Why can't she be considered just the same as you?


Well she is physically different and that physical difference is a big deal in cisnormative societies like the military.


Woah. Back up the truck here. What you said is Exactky the same thing that you guys bitch about we cis people say about you.

You are physically different than me. Thus, by your logic, I can talk down to you?



Ok I see what you're saying. But you are missing both context and intent.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 07:47 PM
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originally posted by: EKron

originally posted by: NavyDoc
Woah. Back up the truck here. What you said is Exactky the same thing that you guys bitch about we cis people say about you.

You are physically different than me. Thus, by your logic, I can talk down to you?


We are talking talking about the military that only recognizes two sexes. One has a penis and the other a vagina. I thought you'd have learned that in medical school?


Neither of you are in the military and you have both expressed discomfort with sharing facilities with Her and that she is not "fully" like you, so that particular backpedal does not fly.
edit on 14-7-2015 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: EKron

originally posted by: NavyDoc
Woah. Back up the truck here. What you said is Exactky the same thing that you guys bitch about we cis people say about you.

You are physically different than me. Thus, by your logic, I can talk down to you?


We are talking talking about the military that only recognizes two sexes. One has a penis and the other a vagina. I thought you'd have learned that in medical school?


OH NO ITS A PENIS...AAAAAHHHHH...OMG OMG RUN AWAY!!!!! EVERY MAN WOMAN AND IN-BETWEEN FOR YOURSELVES!!! AAAAAHHHH...



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 07:51 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: EKron

originally posted by: NavyDoc
Woah. Back up the truck here. What you said is Exactky the same thing that you guys bitch about we cis people say about you.

You are physically different than me. Thus, by your logic, I can talk down to you?


We are talking talking about the military that only recognizes two sexes. One has a penis and the other a vagina. I thought you'd have learned that in medical school?


Neither of you are in the military and you have both expressed discomfort with sharing facilities with Her and that she is not "fully" like you, so that particular backpedal does not fly.


So this is now a military vs civilian debate? Wonderful.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 07:55 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc
Neither of you are in the military and you have both expressed discomfort with sharing facilities with Her and that she is not "fully" like you, so that particular backpedal does not fly.


How was that a backpedal. It was within the context of the discussion.

What is particularly relevant is that Jade and I would have to reveal ourselves as something other than women to meet the military policy. How would a person in transition (which is also of ambiguous meaning) be addressed?

I have never referred to myself as a trans woman or transgender (the other nebulous term)
edit on Tue Jul 14th 2015 by EKron because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 07:55 PM
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originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: EKron

originally posted by: NavyDoc
Woah. Back up the truck here. What you said is Exactky the same thing that you guys bitch about we cis people say about you.

You are physically different than me. Thus, by your logic, I can talk down to you?


We are talking talking about the military that only recognizes two sexes. One has a penis and the other a vagina. I thought you'd have learned that in medical school?


Neither of you are in the military and you have both expressed discomfort with sharing facilities with Her and that she is not "fully" like you, so that particular backpedal does not fly.


So this is now a military vs civilian debate? Wonderful.


Nonsense. You can't use the military as an excuse for your prejudice when you aren't even in it. You called her an "IN-betweener" you said you'd be uncomfortable with sharing facilities with her because she was physically different than you. You can't blame the military for your own hang ups.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 07:59 PM
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originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: EKron
a reply to: 2wheelvet
Thanks for your service.

The quote in the OP says the military is not considering those that haven't completed transition so there won't be anything other than females showering with the other females, etc. All the back and forth in this thread was mostly about allowing in those that were in-betweeners



Ok cool, so if I'm an in betweener can I refer to you as a once had a wiener?


Aren't you older than me? That was rather childish.


Well I feel like being called an inbetweener is disrespectful so I bit back. Its not so fun on the return is it?


What would you prefer we call those who like you, have no intentions of having SRS?


She?


I do.

I meant in conversations like this one how do we make the distinction?


That's sexist. I got lambasted not to long ago for asking the exact same thing.


I consider Princess female. What I meant though is there has to be some distinction between those who have had SRS and those like her because in a conversation about the military lifting the ban they're only talking about allowing those who have had surgery so what can I call someone like princess in that context? That's why I asked her. I don't want to call her pre-op or non-op because she might be offended by those terms just as she was with in-between.


I suppose Non-op Trans woman maybe? I don't really know either but this is all so very silly. I'll leave this one to the real"women" in the house I'm over it and out, deuces.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 08:00 PM
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originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: EKron
a reply to: 2wheelvet
Thanks for your service.

The quote in the OP says the military is not considering those that haven't completed transition so there won't be anything other than females showering with the other females, etc. All the back and forth in this thread was mostly about allowing in those that were in-betweeners



Ok cool, so if I'm an in betweener can I refer to you as a once had a wiener?


Aren't you older than me? That was rather childish.


Well I feel like being called an inbetweener is disrespectful so I bit back. Its not so fun on the return is it?


What would you prefer we call those who like you, have no intentions of having SRS?


She?


I do.

I meant in conversations like this one how do we make the distinction?


That's sexist. I got lambasted not to long ago for asking the exact same thing.


I consider Princess female. What I meant though is there has to be some distinction between those who have had SRS and those like her because in a conversation about the military lifting the ban they're only talking about allowing those who have had surgery so what can I call someone like princess in that context? That's why I asked her. I don't want to call her pre-op or non-op because she might be offended by those terms just as she was with in-between.


I suppose Non-op Trans woman maybe? I don't really know either but this is all so very silly. I'll leave this one to the real"women" in the house I'm over it and out, deuces.


I'll leave with you. There is only so much bigotry one can stand. Peace out, Marine. Oscar Mike.
edit on 14-7-2015 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 08:02 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: EKron
a reply to: 2wheelvet
Thanks for your service.

The quote in the OP says the military is not considering those that haven't completed transition so there won't be anything other than females showering with the other females, etc. All the back and forth in this thread was mostly about allowing in those that were in-betweeners



Ok cool, so if I'm an in betweener can I refer to you as a once had a wiener?


Aren't you older than me? That was rather childish.


Well I feel like being called an inbetweener is disrespectful so I bit back. Its not so fun on the return is it?


What would you prefer we call those who like you, have no intentions of having SRS?


She?


I do.

I meant in conversations like this one how do we make the distinction?


That's sexist. I got lambasted not to long ago for asking the exact same thing.


I consider Princess female. What I meant though is there has to be some distinction between those who have had SRS and those like her because in a conversation about the military lifting the ban they're only talking about allowing those who have had surgery so what can I call someone like princess in that context? That's why I asked her. I don't want to call her pre-op or non-op because she might be offended by those terms just as she was with in-between.


I suppose Non-op Trans woman maybe? I don't really know either but this is all so very silly. I'll leave this one to the real"women" in the house I'm over it and out, deuces.


I'll leave with you. There is only so much bigotry one can stand. Peace out, Marine. Oscar Mike.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 08:11 PM
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originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
I suppose Non-op Trans woman maybe? I don't really know either but this is all so very silly. I'll leave this one to the real"women" in the house I'm over it and out, deuces.


Come to your senses finally, have you?

(yes, I got your sarcasm)

See, you can't even figure out what to say yourself. Probably from the weight of that chip on your shoulder distracting you maybe? I dunno?

Hasn't this been fun today? I'm sure none of us have been called so many less than nice names in a single day for at least a week or two and from our own neighbors, at that. Lovely.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 08:24 PM
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originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: EKron
a reply to: 2wheelvet
Thanks for your service.

The quote in the OP says the military is not considering those that haven't completed transition so there won't be anything other than females showering with the other females, etc. All the back and forth in this thread was mostly about allowing in those that were in-betweeners



Ok cool, so if I'm an in betweener can I refer to you as a once had a wiener?


Aren't you older than me? That was rather childish.


Well I feel like being called an inbetweener is disrespectful so I bit back. Its not so fun on the return is it?


What would you prefer we call those who like you, have no intentions of having SRS?


She?


I do.

I meant in conversations like this one how do we make the distinction?


That's sexist. I got lambasted not to long ago for asking the exact same thing.


I consider Princess female. What I meant though is there has to be some distinction between those who have had SRS and those like her because in a conversation about the military lifting the ban they're only talking about allowing those who have had surgery so what can I call someone like princess in that context? That's why I asked her. I don't want to call her pre-op or non-op because she might be offended by those terms just as she was with in-between.


I suppose Non-op Trans woman


Ok that's what I was looking for. I'm glad you aren't offended by that.

It's not like I'd refer to you that way out side of this context.

Btw you putting the word women in quotes not only disrespected Ekron and I but also yourself. I feel you have plenty to learn on your journey, please be open to it.


edit on 14-7-2015 by JadeStar because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 08:28 PM
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originally posted by: EKron

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
I suppose Non-op Trans woman maybe? I don't really know either but this is all so very silly. I'll leave this one to the real"women" in the house I'm over it and out, deuces.


Come to your senses finally, have you?

(yes, I got your sarcasm)

See, you can't even figure out what to say yourself. Probably from the weight of that chip on your shoulder distracting you maybe? I dunno?

Hasn't this been fun today? I'm sure none of us have been called so many less than nice names in a single day for at least a week or two and from our own neighbors, at that. Lovely.


And this is why I generally tend to avoid the trans "community". It's not self hate. It's self preservation.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 08:31 PM
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It doesn't matter now, as a 28 year veteran once gays were openly allowed that meant that gays would stand/sit next to straights and do their deed and take common showers so why does throwing transgender into the mix change anything up?


edit on 14-7-2015 by Xtrozero because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 08:31 PM
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So long as they can SHOOT and fight who cares?
If for some reason they think that will get them OUT of combat then it's just funny to me.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 08:34 PM
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originally posted by: EKron

originally posted by: NavyDoc
Neither of you are in the military and you have both expressed discomfort with sharing facilities with Her and that she is not "fully" like you, so that particular backpedal does not fly.


How was that a backpedal. It was within the context of the discussion.

I have never referred to myself as a trans woman or transgender (the other nebulous term)


Neither do I unless it's relevant to a discussion. I don't want to be an elitist or separatist but the fact is I have way more in common with cis women than with transgender women (notice no quotes) like princess who have lived most of their lives pretending to be men.
edit on 14-7-2015 by JadeStar because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 08:41 PM
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originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: EKron
a reply to: 2wheelvet
Thanks for your service.

The quote in the OP says the military is not considering those that haven't completed transition so there won't be anything other than females showering with the other females, etc. All the back and forth in this thread was mostly about allowing in those that were in-betweeners



Ok cool, so if I'm an in betweener can I refer to you as a once had a wiener?


Aren't you older than me? That was rather childish.


Well I feel like being called an inbetweener is disrespectful so I bit back. Its not so fun on the return is it?


What would you prefer we call those who like you, have no intentions of having SRS?


She?


I do.

I meant in conversations like this one how do we make the distinction?


That's sexist. I got lambasted not to long ago for asking the exact same thing.


I consider Princess female. What I meant though is there has to be some distinction between those who have had SRS and those like her because in a conversation about the military lifting the ban they're only talking about allowing those who have had surgery so what can I call someone like princess in that context? That's why I asked her. I don't want to call her pre-op or non-op because she might be offended by those terms just as she was with in-between.


I suppose Non-op Trans woman


Ok that's what I was looking for. I'm glad you aren't offended by that.

It's not like I'd refer to you that way out side of this context.

Btw you putting the word women in quotes not only disrespected Ekron and I but also yourself. I feel you have plenty to learn on your journey, please be open to it.

Something you should understand about me is if I feel betrayed or turned against by my own you better believe I am more than willing to take the whole ship down with me burning bridges and all because well I'm stubborn and outspoken. Some don't like but they will get over it or not.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 09:08 PM
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originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: EKron
a reply to: 2wheelvet
Thanks for your service.

The quote in the OP says the military is not considering those that haven't completed transition so there won't be anything other than females showering with the other females, etc. All the back and forth in this thread was mostly about allowing in those that were in-betweeners



Ok cool, so if I'm an in betweener can I refer to you as a once had a wiener?


Aren't you older than me? That was rather childish.


Well I feel like being called an inbetweener is disrespectful so I bit back. Its not so fun on the return is it?


What would you prefer we call those who like you, have no intentions of having SRS?


She?


I do.

I meant in conversations like this one how do we make the distinction?


That's sexist. I got lambasted not to long ago for asking the exact same thing.


I consider Princess female. What I meant though is there has to be some distinction between those who have had SRS and those like her because in a conversation about the military lifting the ban they're only talking about allowing those who have had surgery so what can I call someone like princess in that context? That's why I asked her. I don't want to call her pre-op or non-op because she might be offended by those terms just as she was with in-between.




I suppose Non-op Trans woman


Ok that's what I was looking for. I'm glad you aren't offended by that.

It's not like I'd refer to you that way out side of this context.

Btw you putting the word women in quotes not only disrespected Ekron and I but also yourself. I feel you have plenty to learn on your journey, please be open to it.

Something you should understand about me is if I feel betrayed or turned against by my own you better believe I am more than willing to take the whole ship down with me burning bridges and all because well I'm stubborn and outspoken. Some don't like but they will get over it or not.


I take back what I said. I think transgender women like you are probably the most dangerous to any progress we make.

You're simply too new, have not socialized as female more than a hot 5 minutes, your body may be fighting itself hormonally and playing havok with your mood as a result and due to your former male privilege which you got so used to while pretending to be one of the guys you'd rather "take down the entire ship" rather than re-evaluate your position or be open to the possibility that your views may change as the way you are perceived within society does.

I understand your anger and perhaps jealousy? But it's no excuse for your "scorched earth" policy.

I avoid the trans community because I've encountered other transgender women like you who want to undermine those of us who have done everything we could to make those around us who may not understand these issues, comfortable.

I really would hope you look within yourself to understand these issues are bigger than you or me or any of us so tearing us down because you took offense only makes everyone feel awful.


edit on 14-7-2015 by JadeStar because: (no reason given)

edit on 14-7-2015 by JadeStar because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 09:20 PM
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originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: EKron
a reply to: 2wheelvet
Thanks for your service.

The quote in the OP says the military is not considering those that haven't completed transition so there won't be anything other than females showering with the other females, etc. All the back and forth in this thread was mostly about allowing in those that were in-betweeners



Ok cool, so if I'm an in betweener can I refer to you as a once had a wiener?


Aren't you older than me? That was rather childish.


Well I feel like being called an inbetweener is disrespectful so I bit back. Its not so fun on the return is it?


What would you prefer we call those who like you, have no intentions of having SRS?


She?


I do.

I meant in conversations like this one how do we make the distinction?


That's sexist. I got lambasted not to long ago for asking the exact same thing.


I consider Princess female. What I meant though is there has to be some distinction between those who have had SRS and those like her because in a conversation about the military lifting the ban they're only talking about allowing those who have had surgery so what can I call someone like princess in that context? That's why I asked her. I don't want to call her pre-op or non-op because she might be offended by those terms just as she was with in-between.




I suppose Non-op Trans woman


Ok that's what I was looking for. I'm glad you aren't offended by that.

It's not like I'd refer to you that way out side of this context.

Btw you putting the word women in quotes not only disrespected Ekron and I but also yourself. I feel you have plenty to learn on your journey, please be open to it.

Something you should understand about me is if I feel betrayed or turned against by my own you better believe I am more than willing to take the whole ship down with me burning bridges and all because well I'm stubborn and outspoken. Some don't like but they will get over it or not.


I take back what I said. I think transgender women like you are probably the most dangerous to any progress we make.

You're simply too new, have not socialized as female more than a hot 5 minutes, your body may be fighting itself hormonally and playing havok with your mood as a result and due to your former male privilege which you got so used to while pretending to be one of the guys you'd rather "take down the entire ship" rather than re-evaluate your position or be open to the possibility that your views may change as the way you are perceived within society does.

I understand your anger and perhaps jealousy? But it's no excuse for your "scorched earth" policy.

I avoid the trans community because I've encountered other transgender women like you who want to undermine those of us who have done everything we could to make those around us who may not understand these issues, comfortable.

I really would hope you look within yourself to understand these issues are bigger than you or me or any of us so tearing us down because you took offense only makes everyone feel awful.




Thats funny and I think Trans women like you hide in secrecy and don't contribute to the cause whatsoever because you got snipped therefore are different.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 09:29 PM
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originally posted by: JadeStar
I take back what I said. I think transgender women like you are probably the most dangerous to any progress we make.

You're simply too new, have not socialized as female more than a hot 5 minutes, your body may be fighting itself hormonally and playing havok with your mood as a result and due to your former male privilege which you got so used to while pretending to be one of the guys you'd rather "take down the entire ship" rather than re-evaluate your position or be open to the possibility that your views may change as the way you are perceived within society does.

I understand your anger and perhaps jealousy? But it's no excuse for your "scorched earth" policy.

I avoid the trans community because I've encountered other transgender women like you who want to undermine those of us who have done everything we could to make those around us who may not understand these issues, comfortable.

I really would hope you look within yourself to understand these issues are bigger than you or me or any of us so tearing us down because you took offense only makes everyone feel awful.


Rock on!


Princess, this is tough love. You need to listen. Please



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