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The Day Greece got it, Scott Walker, Mr. Austerity America announced

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posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 11:57 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: WUNK22
Koch brothers Koch brothers Koch brothers ugggggggggg! Ever here of George Soros? Is your side of America doing good? Here in NY the malls look abandoned, 70% empty at this point. Gas last night was $3.20 a gallon. I personally owned 5stores and employed 20/25 people at any given time. Now I'm working out of a van with one other guy, all within 6years. I would vote for a gallon of paint to be president then anymore democrat union thugs!

Venting complete! Thank you


Not that Soros is any saint when talking about campaign contributions, but you should really look at how much money is spent donating to elections by the Koch brothers versus Soros. They aren't even on the same level.

Nothing Really Compares To The Koch Brothers' Political Empire


Its true, they aren't on the same level, soros is a nazi collaborator who funds actual NAZIs in Ukraine and riots here in the US. Not to mention all the countries he ruins with currency manipulation. This my globalist is better than yours nonsense is real lame.

All of these globalists are enemies of the republic and humanity itself.
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posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 01:15 AM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: vonclod
Austerity did not destroy Greece..they already destroyed themselves didn't they?


The banks destroyed them and are continuing to do so, with a lot of help from other E.U countries and the IMF.


Yeah, those dirty banks forced those politicians to borrow more than they took in to buy stuff to get votes from people who didn't want to pay for anything.


Don't borrow more than you can afford to pay back--how hard is that?


You are correct.

Austerity will come to the US whether we like it or not.
Just as it is coming to Greece whether they like it or not.

The US government currently owes $58,000 for every man, woman, and child in America in debt
www.bloomberg.com...
People need to ask themselves, is your family able to pay their fair share?

If the US government took 100% of all the 1%er's money, the government would still be in debt
1%ers have nearly 2 trillion dollars total
The US debt is 18+ trillion dollars
www.zerohedge.com...
www.matchdoctor.com...

Can anyone honestly figure a way not to go into austerity at this point?

And how on earth can Unions get anyone out of this mess, that's a joke.



Austerity won't fix the problem. Oh, and who does the US owe the massive majority of that debt to, exactly?



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 02:42 AM
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originally posted by: KawRider9
a reply to: Willtell

Allowing non union businesses to compete for work= destroyed the unions?

Why should my non union business not be able to bid on jobs?


It's my opinion that workers get the best conditions when there's a mix of viable union and non union work. The non union guys get the union benefits (and then usually some extra) in order to incentivize them to not go union, while the non union guys work more efficiently and force the union to make concessions that keep the business competitive.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 05:04 AM
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originally posted by: WUNK22
Koch brothers Koch brothers Koch brothers ugggggggggg! Ever here of George Soros? Is your side of America doing good? Here in NY the malls look abandoned, 70% empty at this point. Gas last night was $3.20 a gallon. I personally owned 5stores and employed 20/25 people at any given time. Now I'm working out of a van with one other guy, all within 6years. I would vote for a gallon of paint to be president then anymore democrat union thugs!

Venting complete! Thank you


$3.20 a gallon god I wish we had it that price in the UK. We are paying average price of £5.32 a gallon which is equal to $8.30. Head down London way and your probably going to have to SHELL out over the equivalent of $10 a gallon.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 05:46 AM
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Just to make a quick point on the Euro Masters who helped destroy Greece - Austerity for all...just DO NOT CUT SPENDING ON DEFENSE. Greece was not allowed to cut contracts on 2 submarines being built by Germany and France.....but cut away to the people. A few billion there wouldn't solve the problem but the people might have been a little less screwed. Military-Industrial Complex rules the day.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 05:54 AM
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Greece did this to themselves. Their tax system and government is all corrupt when it comes to money. Every department seems to be a personnel slush fund.

Also, Walker must be doing something right... How many elections did he win in 3 years? Like 3?



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 06:04 AM
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originally posted by: GraffikPleasure
Greece did this to themselves. Their tax system and government is all corrupt when it comes to money. Every department seems to be a personnel slush fund.

Also, Walker must be doing something right... How many elections did he win in 3 years? Like 3?


Leaving Walker out of this for a minute.....please say the same thing about the US who is 18 Trillion In the immediate hole with it's 200 Trillion unfunded liabilities hiding out there....waiting to cripple us in the years to come. A simple deficit or surplus isn't the backbreaker, it's those immediate costs and future costs that will kill us. And we did it to ourselves.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 06:41 AM
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a reply to: harddrive21

I agree. We have the same problem as Greece. Too many tax dodgers and tax cheaters.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 07:03 AM
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a reply to: pyramid head

Perhaps you missed the part where I specifically said that Soros is no saint? Your point is moot compared to what I was saying. When talking about campaign contributions NOT activities abroad, the Koch's have Soros beat by a mile. Try following along better next time, k?



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 08:19 AM
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originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: vonclod
Austerity did not destroy Greece..they already destroyed themselves didn't they?


The banks destroyed them and are continuing to do so, with a lot of help from other E.U countries and the IMF.


Did the bankers force Greece to spend out of control? People like to spend money but they don't like the responsibilities that come with it.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 08:53 AM
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"austerity"

You keep using this word, but I do not think it means what you think.

Let me help you.
You are given a credit card with a limit of 20,000.00 dollars.
You have no job or means of income but the bank is either evil or generous depending on who you ask.
You run the limit on the card spending it all on anyone that asks you for help. You feel good about yourself but you are flat broke.
The Bank now says "Okay, you are done. No more credit but we will allow you to spend 100.00 per month on the card just to keep you with the basic needs. You however need to get a job and live within our austerity measures"

NOW you cry and whine and claim the BANKS are ruining you?

Yeah its the Austerity that is the problem.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 09:08 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: pyramid head

Perhaps you missed the part where I specifically said that Soros is no saint? Your point is moot compared to what I was saying. When talking about campaign contributions NOT activities abroad, the Koch's have Soros beat by a mile. Try following along better next time, k?


Only in the progressive authoritarian mind does campaign contributions trump murder.
I was attempting to break through what can only be described as a mentally ill obsession with the Koch bros by leftist authoritarians.

But it's useless, murder as long as there is a D in front of your name is OK, contributing money to RINOs evil. Keep supporting king obozo and ISIS though



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 09:14 AM
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originally posted by: pyramid head

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: pyramid head

Perhaps you missed the part where I specifically said that Soros is no saint? Your point is moot compared to what I was saying. When talking about campaign contributions NOT activities abroad, the Koch's have Soros beat by a mile. Try following along better next time, k?


Only in the progressive authoritarian mind does campaign contributions trump murder.
I was attempting to break through what can only be described as a mentally ill obsession with the Koch bros by leftist authoritarians.


You just want to keep reading into my words what I'm not saying don't you? How many times do I have to tell you that I am NOT defending Soros? I was just responding to a narrow comparison around campaign contributions between Soros and the Koch brothers. Instead you want to pitch me this strawman about Soros' actions abroad when that wasn't what I was ever talking about to begin with. This topic is in the 2016 Elections forum. We are TRYING to talk about the 2016 election here. Not what someone is doing in the Ukraine.


But it's useless, murder as long as there is a D in front of your name is OK, contributing money to RINOs evil. Keep supporting king obozo and ISIS though


I'm not a Democrat... But whatever you say. You seem to have me COMPLETELY figured out... /sarc
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posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 09:51 AM
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Demanding austerity from a country is just about as efficient as demanding a company to stop investing. Austerity is a downward spiral where the population as a whole just makes less and less money. With the poor having less money, companies need to cut, which equals a population with less money. People with no money have no choice but to turn to government help, which raises the debt even more...all of which equals less money.

They KNOW that austerity will make the general population poor and kill the middle class, it's all according to plan. These debts have been forced on the population by the people who wouldn't even have a job if they didn't manipulate society to have this many debts. We don't owe them, they owe us! They are the ones that rigged the system and made us in debt. Usury wasn't demonized by religions for no reason, it's a path to destruction.

At the point we are now, there is no such thing as a country saving money to pay the debts, just the interest rates are hard to overcome...how in the world will we be able to pay the debt if we have less and less money in the population? It doesn't make sense. We've all played Monopoly and when somebody's loosing, what's the worst thing that player could do? Save money, don't invest in houses and pray that magically, they won't lose. It's a recipe for disaster.

All I'm saying, the people in charge KNOW IT. It's all part of the plan.
Their evil plan for world domination! ...No this isn't a cheesy saturday morning cartoon, this is real life.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 10:46 AM
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posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 10:53 AM
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originally posted by: theMediator
Demanding austerity from a country is just about as efficient as demanding a company to stop investing. Austerity is a downward spiral where the population as a whole just makes less and less money. With the poor having less money, companies need to cut, which equals a population with less money. People with no money have no choice but to turn to government help, which raises the debt even more...all of which equals less money.

They KNOW that austerity will make the general population poor and kill the middle class, it's all according to plan. These debts have been forced on the population by the people who wouldn't even have a job if they didn't manipulate society to have this many debts. We don't owe them, they owe us! They are the ones that rigged the system and made us in debt. Usury wasn't demonized by religions for no reason, it's a path to destruction.

At the point we are now, there is no such thing as a country saving money to pay the debts, just the interest rates are hard to overcome...how in the world will we be able to pay the debt if we have less and less money in the population? It doesn't make sense. We've all played Monopoly and when somebody's loosing, what's the worst thing that player could do? Save money, don't invest in houses and pray that magically, they won't lose. It's a recipe for disaster.

All I'm saying, the people in charge KNOW IT. It's all part of the plan.
Their evil plan for world domination! ...No this isn't a cheesy saturday morning cartoon, this is real life.


I have to just lol at such silly arguments.

So, greece (and most socialists) has too much debt and can't pay back their loans. Yet, telling them to cut expenses won't work? So what will? Increasing spending? Nope, that will just make their bills even larger and more impossible to pay. Debt forgiveness? Nope, that's like debt consolidation, it only addresses a symptom of the problem, not the root.

Unsurprisingly, what will work is what they're doing. Cutting expenses and a little debt forgiveness (even though they don't come out and say that's what it is, it is.) Greece has to learn to live within it's means before it can think about doing anything other than paying off their debt.

ETA:
In your monopoly analogy you aren't working on the assumption that investments would be made with loans and payments would be due on those loans, and the more loans, the larger the payments. Now take your analogy and say that the person losing mortgages all of their properties to buy some more properties, that's also a recipe for disaster, in a much quicker manner. Gotta think about all the angles here, not just what suits your political-economic desires.

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posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 11:17 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite
Actually he is entirely correct that austerity won't work. National finances are not (despite what some politicians like to tell us) anything like household ones. Further austerity will almost certainly mean lower GDP and higher unemployment so less tax revenue and hence a worsening deficit and debt ratio. If Greece is to stay in the Euro then the EU will have to be willing to massively help restructure the economy without imposing the ideological and politically driven punishments of the proposed non-bail out.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 11:55 AM
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a reply to: grandmakdwour fair share don't make me laugh when you got rich turds who buy there way into office spending money like its nothing yet they pay next to nothing in taxes. i make 17 dollars an hour but i have less money to spend than i did when i was only getting paid ten an hour 6 years ago why is that i habe not increased the amount of bills i have . please my fair share what about all the illegal immigrants coming here and recieving foodstamps and welfare xhecks because some boob in office wants them here



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 12:18 PM
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originally posted by: Ancient Champion

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: vonclod
Austerity did not destroy Greece..they already destroyed themselves didn't they?


The banks destroyed them and are continuing to do so, with a lot of help from other E.U countries and the IMF.


Did the bankers force Greece to spend out of control? People like to spend money but they don't like the responsibilities that come with it.


Goldman Sachs hid the truth about the Greek Governments spending, so whilst not directly forcing them to over spend, they encouraged it.

If they were able to hood wink the E.U it speaks volumes of the E.U's scrutiny of country's economic management.

Why would Goldman Sachs do this? Well, they can keep lending and getting something for nothing, until they start receiving nothing and it all becomes a finger pointing exercise, with the people being forced into austere measures.

Wherever you live in the west, austerity will get you.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 01:08 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Dfairlite
Actually he is entirely correct that austerity won't work. National finances are not (despite what some politicians like to tell us) anything like household ones. Further austerity will almost certainly mean lower GDP and higher unemployment so less tax revenue and hence a worsening deficit and debt ratio. If Greece is to stay in the Euro then the EU will have to be willing to massively help restructure the economy without imposing the ideological and politically driven punishments of the proposed non-bail out.



The point of austerity is not to achieve growth during the time of austerity. It is to clear out overhead so you can have growth in the future. And national finances are exactly like household finances, except the time frame. Nations last centuries, households last decades. Math is math, regardless of where you apply it.

I agree there needs to be a restructuring of the greek economy, so do the creditors. That's what they're trying to accomplish. But you claim that it's just a politically driven punishment. I'd counter that you are actually politically driven in your response.
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