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Magic should be a forum

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posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 08:13 PM
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The same could be said for a History Forum, or many other subject matter.
mostly I just enjoyed the song.
a reply to: Orifiel


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posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 08:55 PM
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History Forum FTW!



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 06:57 AM
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originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Orifiel

This post is a prime example of why we need a history forum.

History of what: Religion, Theology, UFOS, Aliens, Faith, Health and Wellness, Social unrest, Politics, WW3, Chemtrails, HOAX, Ancient and Lost civilizations (could be a conflict there), all the potentials. This Forum would eclipse all others in importance or confusion (could be dangerous) and only one forum exists. THE HISTORY OF EVERYTHING, anything else would be real time chatter (perhaps a second forum) HISTORY AS IT IS BEING MADE.


History is history. Things that happened in the past. I'm not proposing to moderate it, I just want to talk about it in a consolidated place.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: starswift
What say you of magic, dew glistening in moonlight and spiderwebs shimmering as the sleeper stirs and stretches its wings?
youtu.be...


Interesting notion. But as you can easily see; no one here has any idea what magic(k) really is Thus a forum based on Magic is doomed to failure for that simple fact!

Though, there are a handful of members who do know, practice, and of course exercise the powers of the Pyramid.

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posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 10:44 AM
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Well, I guess the forum would have one member.
I'm more from a shamanistic perspective (shamanism being a discredited term) but still similar to all other magical cultures
as they all evolved from a red paint culture going back to 100,000 years ago or more in Africa and the fact that super normal agency has been around from the beginning.
Powers of the Pyramid, I like that.
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posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 04:00 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Orifiel

This post is a prime example of why we need a history forum.

History of what: Religion, Theology, UFOS, Aliens, Faith, Health and Wellness, Social unrest, Politics, WW3, Chemtrails, HOAX, Ancient and Lost civilizations (could be a conflict there), all the potentials. This Forum would eclipse all others in importance or confusion (could be d.angerous) and only one forum exists. THE HISTORY OF EVERYTHING, anything else would be real time chatter (perhaps a second forum) HISTORY AS IT IS BEING MADE.


History is history. Things that happened in the past. I'm not proposing to moderate it, I just want to talk about it in a consolidated place.

Me too I thought it was called ATS; delineated forums and such.
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posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 06:15 PM
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a reply to: starswift
Hey everything is magic, its not only the original religion it to has evolved over the ages. And not only religion. But on the magic of religion. I mean come on, millions and millions of people believing in a guy in the clouds and a complete redundant and contradicting fallacy, think about it you have millions and millions of people believing even to the point of death and killing in what is ultimatley the ultimate santa claus story? Now that takes some magic right there.

Like I said everything is magic. We life in a completely magical world, so much so that people have been inundated into it for so long that they just don't realize it. So ya! And and all topics and forums on this site can be clasified in one or another of the definitions of magic.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 06:25 PM
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Most of the forums could describe forms of black magik ; )
I was thinking one that was white magic.
Most people know little of magic or true religion.
But I take your point regarding cultist beliefs in hoary white bearded figure on high.
a reply to: galadofwarthethird



posted on Jul, 15 2015 @ 04:46 AM
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a reply to: starswift
Ya sure it is magic. I mean white magic, black magic, orange magic, chaos magic, order magic, its all magic.

But the real question is. Is it magically delicious?

That's another thing were missing on the site. A cereal thread, I mean we got plenty of serial threads and forums some days so much that its like some sort of plague of locusts only with words, a whole lot of words and opinions. But no thread or forum on cereals, personally I like raisin bran but who know as there are just so many of options out there to choose from.



posted on Jul, 15 2015 @ 10:20 AM
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How about Cereal Killers?
Killin ya while ya eats your wheatabix
Chocolate coated crickets are crunchy and delicious as well.
a reply to: galadofwarthethird



posted on Jul, 15 2015 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: starswift

Cereal killers? Did you hear about the guy they found dead face down in a bowl of muslei?

Apparently he was pulled under by a strong current.



posted on Jul, 15 2015 @ 11:36 AM
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The day I see a man shoot fire balls from his hand, and fart thunder and lightning bolts from his arse is the day I'll believe in magic... And I'll ask the wonderful, wise wizard, "teach me the way".
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posted on Jul, 16 2015 @ 06:19 AM
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a reply to: starswift
Chocolate coated crickets you say? Hmm, you know what, you can also find other things to dip them in, for instance honey, they even go well with hot sauce I heard. Or how about deep fried crickets? Surprised nobody thought of it yet.

But then again if I hit up the search engines, somebody is deep frying there crickets. I am guessing down south somewhere, likely also involving a ukulele a rocking chair and a hootenanny of a great time on a lazy summer day.

Now if only somebody would have informed the Egyptians that during the whole locust plague thing, instead of a plague they could have had a very big harvest of untold delicious magnitudes, and a very exquisite delicacy. Magic works in mysterious ways like that, sometimes its a plague, sometimes its delicious.

But anyways, cereal killers. I mean I like my Raisin Bran, but not that much, or not enough to kill of a whole box in a day. Generally that stuff lasts me weeks. But truth tell I have not had any in years now, used to really dig in the stuff when a kid, no box was safe.

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posted on Jul, 16 2015 @ 08:52 AM
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originally posted by: Specimen
The day I see a man shoot fire balls from his hand, and fart thunder and lightning bolts from his arse is the day I'll believe in magic... And I'll ask the wonderful, wise wizard, "teach me the way".


Kind of makes me want to reiterate; "no one here has any idea what magic(k) really is "

And this is exactly why a forum for Magick will not work...no one, save for the real students of Magick have any idea what they're talking about.

Everybody else will get lost in the basics because of they're fantasies....sigh, it could do so much good in this world...

perhaps this will help...

THE DEFINITION OF MAGICK
From MAGICK IN THEORY AND PRACTICE
by Aleister Crowley

DEFINITION: MAGICK is the Science and Art of causing Change to occur
in conformity with Will.

POSTULATE: ANY required Change may be effected by the application of
the proper kind and degree of Force in the proper manner
through the proper medium to the proper object.

THEORUMS:

1) Every intentional act is a Magical Act.
2) Every successful act has conformed to the postulate.
3) Every failure proves that one or more requirements of the postulate
have not been fulfilled.
4) The first requisite for causing any change is thorough qualitative
and quantitative understanding of the conditions.
5) The second requisite of causing any change is the practical ability
to set in right motion the necessary forces.
6) "Every man and every woman is a star."
7) Every man and every woman has a course, depending partly on the
self, and partly on the environment which is natural and
necessary for each. Anyone who is forced from his own course,
either through not understanding himself, or through external
opposition, comes into conflict with the order of the Universe,
and suffers accordingly.
8) A Man whose conscious will is at odds with his True Will is wasting
his strength. He cannot hope to influence his environment
efficiently.
9) A man who is doing his True Will has the inertia of the Universe
to assist him.
10) Nature is a continuous phenomenon, through we do not know in all
cases how things are connected.
11) Science enables us to take advantage of the continuity of Nature by
the empirical application of certain principles whose interplay
involves different orders of idea connected with each other in a
way beyond our present comprehension.
12) Man is ignorant of the nature of his own being and powers. Even his
idea of his limitations is based on experience of the past, and
every step in his progress extends his empire. There is
therefore no reason to assign theoretical limits to what he may
be, or to what he may do.
13) Every man is more or less aware that his individuality comprises
several orders of existence, even when he maintains that his
subtler principles are merely symptomatic of the changes in his
gross vehicle. A similar order may be assumed to extend
throughout nature.
14) Man is capable of being, and using, anything which he perceives,
for everything that he perceives is in a certain sense a part of
his being. He may thus subjugate the whole Universe of which he
is conscious to his individual Will.
15) Every force in the Universe is capable of being transformed into
any other kind of force by using suitable means. There is thus
an inexhaustible supply of any particular kind of force that we
may need.
16) The application of any given force affects all the orders of being
which exist in the object to which it is applied, whichever of
those orders is directly affected.
17) A man may learn to use any force so as to serve any purpose, by
taking advantage of the above theorems.
18) He may attract to himself any force of the Universe by making
himself a fit receptacle for it, establishing a connection with
it, and arranging conditions so that its nature compels it to
flow toward him.
19) Man's sense of himself as separate from, and opposed to, the
Universe is a bar to his conducting its currents. It insulates
him.
20) Man can only attract and employ the forces for which he is really
fitted.
21) There is no limit to the extent of the relations of any man with
the Universe in essence; for as soon as man makes himself one
with any idea the means of measurement cease to exist. But his
power to utilize that force is limited by his mental power and
capacity, and by the circumstances of his human environment.
22) Every individual is essentially sufficient to himself. But he is
unsatisfactory to himself until he has established himself in
his right relation with the Universe.
23) Magick is the Science of understanding oneself and one's
conditions. It is the Art of applying that understanding in
action.
24) Every man has an indefeasible right to be what he is.
25) Every man must do Magick each time that he acts or even thinks,
since a thought is an internal act whose influence ultimately
affects action, though it may not do so at the time.
26) Every man has a right, the right of self-preservation, to fulfil
himself to the utmost.
27) Every man should make Magick the keynote of his life. He should
learn its laws and live by them.
28) Every man has a right to fulfil his own will without being afraid
that it may interfere with that of others; for if he is in his
proper place, it is the fault of others if they interfere with
him.

-- Aleister Crowley



posted on Jul, 16 2015 @ 10:45 AM
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Although Crowley was a great adept he deviated into demonology and seemed to have a very dark life from what I gather (from a youtube video ; )). He recanted on his deathbed as well from a book by Sybil Leeks, who was queen of the New Forest Coven. I don't consider magic to be only synonymous with western traditions as it has components from all continents and might be more aptly titled as Elder spirituality (the Old Ones).
a reply to: tanka418


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posted on Jul, 16 2015 @ 11:01 AM
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a reply to: starswift

You would need more than a youtube vid to understand the life of Crowley


try Perdurabo: The Life of Aleister Crowley.

A very good book that looks onto all aspects of his life.



posted on Jul, 16 2015 @ 12:19 PM
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Thanks for the link.
The question I had was would I feel uplifted on disturbed after reading it?
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posted on Jul, 16 2015 @ 05:37 PM
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a reply to: tanka418

Maybe so, and the whole idea of magic is just a mask or illusion(sleight of hand) of something being scientific, for those who wouldn't have a greater idea of how something got pulled off to be that impressive. Thing is from Aleister Crowley points seems more or less based on something that seems more or less spiritual themed explanation, then considering the techniques to be able to pull magic off.

Like Alchemy being a more primitive practice to that of chemistry, where if you mix the wrong things together, you'll open a portal to hell, or have your eye brows singed.

I'm more or less inclined that if someone could shoot fires from their hands and fart lightning bolts would be that impressive in showmanship due to the impossibility of it being real or done, instead of cheap tricks...

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posted on Jul, 16 2015 @ 07:00 PM
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originally posted by: starswift
Although Crowley was a great adept he deviated into demonology and seemed to have a very dark life from what I gather (from a youtube video ; )). He recanted on his deathbed as well from a book by Sybil Leeks, who was queen of the New Forest Coven. I don't consider magic to be only synonymous with western traditions as it has components from all continents and might be more aptly titled as Elder spirituality (the Old Ones).
a reply to: tanka418



Actually, you would do well t learn a bit, a YouTube video is not a substitute for virtually everything he wrote,

No sure where you get the "western tradition" part. Much of Crowley's writings covered a wide spectrum of traditions; Eastern and Western.

Never heard of the Sybil Leeks connection.



posted on Jul, 16 2015 @ 07:12 PM
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a reply to: Specimen

No, actually, if you read Crowley's definition you will see that.

Western Magick, as it is practiced today is much more like advanced physics stated in metaphysical terms.

A field of fundamental particles that is uniform across infinity, within which "probability waves" of individuals interact...really rather different than, Lord of the Rings or World of Warcraft. Yet still capable of containing ether or both.

What most think of when they think of Magick are "super natural" ways of controlling this field. Of course, there are no "super natural" ways of anything, as all ways are natural. The reality is that Magick applies scientific method to exploring ways of implementing this "control"; sometimes by purely "mental" methods, or the application of existing technologies. In every and any case, Magick does not conform to the coon idea.



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