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A Question for Americans

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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 04:26 PM
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As a Canadian, I get to see a lot of the "US Political Madness" via the internet, televisions ads I happen to see, all sorts of venues. It's often a more talked about subject than Canadian politics, which is sad.

That being said, the majority of things I see regarding US politics and the upcoming presidential election are entirely negative. Instead of focusing on what Americans DON'T want in their leaders, what DO you all want? Let's all remember that the president is one man as the head of a huge government overseeing 318+ million people.

That being said, do you ever get sick of voting for elected officials who can influence local politics however they like? Who would rather vote on issues than vote for elected officials?




posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 04:32 PM
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a reply to: Atsbhct

What I want from a presidential candidate won't be brought up by any of the candidates we have now.

Stuff like ending/auditing the fed, reforming campaign finance and corporate lobbying, etc.

We're gonna get whoever those lizard shape-shifters want.



As for your second question, I would like a way to vote where my tax money goes.
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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 04:38 PM
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a reply to: rockintitz


Awesome , that's exactly what I'd like to know! The heck with political platforms. What do the people really want?



posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 04:49 PM
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originally posted by: Atsbhct
do you ever get sick of voting for elected officials who can influence local politics however they like? Who would rather vote on issues than vote for elected officials?


You seem to be describing a pure democracy, which I think is impossible in any large population. It would not work I'm afraid as in a large population only a representative democracy would or could work.

On a local scale in small communities, yes voting directly on issues is a good idea, but beyond that? Local government should have more power and at that level voting directly on issues would make a lot of sense.

What I see as more important is to find a way to get the right people in office. Which to me means, representatives in government willing to and capable of working across party lines. That is what we are lacking now while mired down in partisan nonsense as our leaders are in permanent campaign mode.

Who is in office is our fault entirely. The people we need to run don't due to the climate in politics and we as voters can't seem to get beyond partisan warfare. Our own stupidity in how we use, abuse or simply do not use our votes deserves it's share of the blame.



posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: Atsbhct

Oh and as divided as America is supposed to be right now, everyone I've ever talked to on the subject agrees with me on this:

You should be able to do whatever the hell you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.



posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 04:57 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

You're totally correct. A pure democracy wouldn't work on such a large scale.

If there were voting options for issues in your local area would you turn out? What about your peers?

How do you feel about voter turn out? Should a vote only count if a majority of constituents turn up to vote? (In this fictitious voting system.)



posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 04:59 PM
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a reply to: rockintitz

Maybe the Wiccans should run the US..."And it harm none, do what thou wilt."



posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: Atsbhct

It is possible that it has gone too far down the drain at this point..

There is such a HUGE block of people in the U.S. that have become dependent on Government welfare now, that voting in anyone that believes in what our Founding Fathers intended is probably not going to happen.

The "Hand Out" block uses scare tactics and intimidation too effectively to over come common sense. Even when actual FACTS show that welfare fraud is well over 50%, that privatizing a percentage of Social Security would ensure it's future etc etc...people are just too lazy anymore to want to work. Heck I guess I can't blame them, the government will give anyone a check now that claims they have nightmares so they must be mentally disabled.

I know there are other, perhaps even more important issues, but for me this one is my hot button.. Also to deny that the "Welfare Block" will not influence an election, is to deny that Obama was reelected and that Hillary is still in the race.

I often weep for what this country has become..

Semper


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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 05:17 PM
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a reply to: semperfortis

So what do you WANT in a candidate? Someone who will abolish socialist programs? Or do you wish that the US welfare system was better managed?



posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 05:20 PM
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Instead of focusing on what Americans DON'T want in their leaders, what DO you all want? L


I want someone who isn't a politician.

Someone who isn't a lawyer.

I want someone with a clue of just exactly what American politics is.

A farce.

A false choice between Coke, and Pepsi.

When the people wake up to just exactly what we have ?

Then things might change.



The state — or, to make the matter more concrete, the government — consists of a gang of men exactly like you and me. They have, taking one with another, no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office. Their principal device to that end is to search out groups who pant and pine for something they can't get and to promise to give it to them. Nine times out of ten that promise is worth nothing. The tenth time is made good by looting A to satisfy B. In other words, government is a broker in pillage, and every election is sort of an advance auction sale of stolen goods. As quoted in Charting the Candidates '72 (1972) by Ronald Van Doren, p. 7


The Truth shall set you free.



posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 05:28 PM
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a reply to: neo96

How far up the political ladder do you believe a grass roots leader could make it. How will would-be leaders not motivated by the current political norms present themselves? Do you think they would get butchered by the media?



posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: rockintitz
a reply to: Atsbhct

What I want from a presidential candidate won't be brought up by any of the candidates we have now.

Stuff like ending/auditing the fed, reforming campaign finance and corporate lobbying, etc.

We're gonna get whoever those lizard shape-shifters want.



As for your second question, I would like a way to vote where my tax money goes.



Do you know who this guy is? He's running for president .




Supports early voting; but voter ID also ok. (Nov 2014)
President should not bypass Congress with executive orders. (Jan 2014)
Term limits if budget can't get balanced. (Feb 2013)
Fund new programs by deleting existing ones. (Sep 2012)
Conservatives should criticize GOP when they grow government. (Feb 2012)
Our legislative victory: an end to earmarks. (Jan 2012)
Federal contracts should include no-PAC clauses. (Feb 2011)
Instead of bringing home the bacon, bring home politicians. (Feb 2011)
FactCheck: No, Kagan never she'd regulate vegetable eating. (Feb 2011)
Lobbyists' sole goal is to rip you off. (Jul 2010)
No Pork Pledge: decrease earmarking; increase transparency. (Aug 2010)
Identify constitutionality in every new congressional bill. (Jul 2010)
Audit federal agencies, to reform or eliminate them. (Jul 2010)
Moratorium on all earmarks until budget is balanced. (Jul 2010)



OP I would rather vote on the issues. But in lieu of that I would ask Americans to be more active in their local elections that is when you get the chance to vet the candidates . Before somebody starts asking "what about big-money" ? My position is get out there and vote against the big money everyone .
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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 05:29 PM
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a reply to: Atsbhct

Because folks are convinced that voting for anything other than republicans or democrats is wasting a vote.

So folks vote against someone rather than for someone and we end up in the @$+& storm we have now.

You truly do get the government you deserve, even here folks say I don't like either but I hate (bush/Clinton) more so I'll vote against insert name here.

Never stopping to catch the incredibly simple idea of... I am done with both parties time to find people I can vote for, and let's get these useless gebronies out of office.

Find your party and let's dump the crooks people...

Sorry for the rant it frustrates me something fierce.

Eta: the Veterans party reached out to retired general James mattis about running for president, the generals response was no I'm doing good work with gold star families (I think that's what it was).

Never considered him for office before... I am now because he doesn't seem to want it.
edit on 12-7-2015 by irishhaf because: additional thought



posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 05:30 PM
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a reply to: Atsbhct

I want somebody who can walk softly but carry a big stick.

That is what I want.



posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 05:36 PM
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Government doesn't care about "the people".

Does a flower care about the dirt it grows from?

Government relies on the people to keep it fed. That's it.

The politicians are simply caretakers to the monolith. They are the high priests and priestesses to the icon of government.

They write confusing conflicting, contradicting laws with no more thought than a dung beetle gives to solar flares.

They feed government and themselves off the backs of everyone else. And when people grow suspicious and tired of government? They set in motion distractions that keep us bickering at each other.

If I were to build a monument to government, I would need 7 million cubic feet of fecal matter.

Sorry about the rant, and it's probably not what you're looking for, but that is my thought on the American government.



posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 05:38 PM
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a reply to: irishhaf

It's okay to be frustrated! Frustration can get things done sometimes. Have you ever thought of starting a movement in your area (a peaceful one) where you rallied to educate people on the downfall of the party system?

Like a few people have said, Republican and Democrat aren't the be all and end all to politics.



posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 05:38 PM
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originally posted by: Darkblade71
a reply to: Atsbhct

I want somebody who can walk softly but carry a big stick.

That is what I want.




This is my favourite one yet.



posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 05:38 PM
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What I want is a president who honors the nation, its constitution, and its people.

It is obvious that congress does not represent the will of the people. I have heard congressmen say very directly that they know how their constituents want them to vote but they are voting otherwise because they believe it is the right thing to do. They have one job - to represent the masses and vote as the majority dictates. When is the last time anyone in this country was asked for his/her opinion? When is the last time anyone in this country really felt like the votes of congress genuinely reflected their opinion? For me, I am not sure it has ever happened.

I want a president who will make moving jobs overseas so financially unattractive that no corporation will ever consider it again. I want import tariffs high enough to make US companies viable again. I want legal immigration supported and illegal immigration treated like the crime it is. I want a real healthcare system that our elected officials have to use just like the rest of us. I want our elected officials to be the first to try any legislation they pass in this country. If they aren't willing to try it then they have no right asking the rest of us to do it. I want a president who will not allow corporations to put board members in government offices to enable conflicts of interest. I want a president who will make corporations pay 30% tax while the workers get the tax breaks, not the other way around.

Most of all, I want a president who will take care of home first. When our people have a roof over their head, clothes on their backs, food on the table, and a chance to retire with dignity at a reasonable age, then and only then should the welfare of other nations become our priority. Regardless of what else we do, we must take care of home first. No one else is going to care for us. We must do it ourselves or we are finished as a nation.
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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 05:45 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

It's okay to rant.

So what do you WANT from your government?



posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 05:53 PM
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originally posted by: Atsbhct
a reply to: beezzer

It's okay to rant.

So what do you WANT from your government?



To
Be
Left
Alone


To enjoy the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution.

Government should build interstate highways and fight wars and deliver the mail.

Everything else?

Just simply aids in the growth and dependence of government.




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