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Since gay marriage, i dont see seperation of church and state

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posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 12:25 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
The SCOTUS decision was that it is discriminatory to create laws which prohibited homosexuals from enjoying the same benefits as heterosexuals. Yes, people got pissed. So what? Who was harmed?


My view is no one, but Phage you are one of the most logical persons on ATS so I'm surprised you go with the religious scapegoat propaganda too. It's called culture and it has taken 40 years to change cultural views. Except for the extremely small minority of religious groups no one preaches about homosexuality in church. My wife is a die hard Catholic and she has never once heard in her life a sermon on the evils of homosexuality, and I'm sure the gay bashing of the 70s and 80s were not done by practitioners that left their churches to go hunt down gays. They were done by young ignorant men who most likely had very little religious ideas when they did those events.

I grew up in the 60s and 70s and I thought homosexuality was wrong, and that was based more on biological ideals than anything else. yes ignorance is bad.




posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 12:27 AM
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a reply to: Xtrozero
Any idea where the main impetus for laws against homosexual marriage originated? They're actually quite recent and are the point of the SCOTUS decision.
www.cc.org...

You can't legislate against ignorance and you can't legalize discrimination.

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posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 12:38 AM
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originally posted by: Annee
Are you transferring. Sounds like someone desparate to defend their God belief.

No, atheists don't care about religion. They do care about religious belief infringement in government. It is our government too.


No, no transferring here. I have a number of atheist friends who are about a feverish towards religion as a born again christian is...

As I told Phage, it is more about culture than religion, and the seems atheist want to blame it all on religion.


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posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 12:42 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Xtrozero
Any idea where the main impetus for laws against homosexual marriage originated? They're actually quite recent and are the point of the SCOTUS decision.

You can't legislate against ignorance and you can't legalize discrimination.


Not sure, but the idea of a man and woman forming a marriage bond is rather old would you not say, and it takes some time to change culture views, but hey under the same decision I can use my CHL in all states now... win win for all


Now when will I be able to have 5 wives...that is the more important question....



posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 12:43 AM
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a reply to: Xtrozero



As I told Phage, it is more about culture than religion, and the seems to atheist blame it all on religion.


I'm an atheist. I don't "blame it all on religion." I blame it on those who tread on the rights of others in the name of their religion.



posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 12:44 AM
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a reply to: Xtrozero



hey under the same decision I can use my CHL in all states now.

No you can't. Not unless you can show that the laws of other states are discriminatory.



Now when will I be able to have 5 wives
Be my guest. The contract will be tricky though.

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posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 01:00 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Annee
Are you transferring. Sounds like someone desparate to defend their God belief.

No, atheists don't care about religion. They do care about religious belief infringement in government. It is our government too.


No, no transferring here. I have a number of atheist friends who are about a feverish towards religion as a born again christian is...

As I told Phage, it is more about culture than religion, and the seems atheist want to blame it all on religion.



I always laugh at people who say they have atheist friends. I'm atheist and I don't know a single other atheist. It's still not information that is generally volunteered.

Another thing is, many atheists arrived at that decision because of religion. You have questions, you search for answers. When the answers aren't there, you dig deeper. Which is why many atheists are so knowledgeable about the religion they were assimilated into -- most likely from birth.

And BTW -- anti-religion is not atheism.
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posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 01:15 AM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Jordan River

That being said lgbt group are now a special class of citizens. How are we sappose to distinctly tell if someone is or isnt gay.


I believe that is Protected Class, not special class. As in a minority. Same as other protected minorities.

Equal treatment does not require you to know if someone is gay or not.



if a group is "protected" moreso than another group or person.....that is "special".



posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 01:17 AM
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a reply to: Illuminatitechnician



if a group is "protected" moreso than another group or person.....that is "special".

No. What is "special" is when they are denied rights that others who are not part of that group have.
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posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 01:20 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Illuminatitechnician



if a group is "protected" moreso than another group or person.....that is "special".

No. What is "special" is when they are denied rights that others who are not part of that group have.


Thanks.

Have a beer



posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 01:21 AM
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If marriage is what happens when a man and a woman bond and have a child then gay marriage will never be equal, unless you start pretending adopting is the same thing or test tube babies are the same.

But it all depends on how you want to define it. As I understand it, marriage is just a legal term for a couple who're bonded together and a title is given to them, to be recognized by others and recorded.

And if that's indeed what marriage is defined as then I fully support it. There's no reason a gay couple shouldn't be formally recognized as tying the knot and committing to a life long relationship.
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posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 01:22 AM
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a reply to: Annee

How 'bout a martini instead?
A real one. With gin.

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posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 01:22 AM
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a reply to: jonnywhite

Marriage isn't that.



posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 01:24 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Annee

How 'bout a martini instead?
A real one. With gin.


If I can have Scotch with a splash and a lime.




posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 01:25 AM
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a reply to: jonnywhite

If marriage is what happens when a man and a woman bond and have a child then gay marriage will never be equal
Gosh, I guess childless heterosexual couples aren't married then.



There's no reason a gay couple should be formally recognized as tying the knot.

There is every reason.
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posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 01:26 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: jonnywhite



There's no reason a gay couple should be formally recognized as tying the knot.

There is every reason.

Lol. It was a mistype. Pleas reread.

And with respect to your comment about "Gash I guess..," what I meant was if that's how marriage was defined. But ti's not. Marriage isn't just between a man and a woman. And it doesn't require them to have a child.
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posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 01:27 AM
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Religion is cancerous alloy to governance; irrespective of the brand of religion or political system concerned.

Religion is politics is tantamount to a paedophile jamboree held in a kindergarten!



posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 01:28 AM
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a reply to: jonnywhite



well I guess either you understand or you don't.

I guess you don't.

I see you mistyped again.

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posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 01:29 AM
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originally posted by: jonnywhite
If marriage is what happens when a man and a woman bond and have a child then gay marriage will never be equal

Then I can't wait 'til women can legally marry their IVF TEST TUBES!

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posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 01:30 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: jonnywhite



well I guess either you understand or you don't.

I guess you don't.

I said if marriage was defined that way, but it's not. If it were, it'd only be possible for a gay coupule to marry if marriage was defined as two people (not a man and a woman) bonding and if those two people had a child (assuming a gay couple can and do have a child).

Marriage is not defined that way and never was. I was just saying if it were then gay marriage wouldn't be equal.

In the future, I'd not be surprised if a gay couple could have a child. In fact, I think woman can do that now.

And do please reread my original post. I DO fully support gay marriage.
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