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Shot fired by security guard at public meeting after his assault repelled by citizen (must see)

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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 12:17 AM
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Basically, a citizen activist was getting a little frazzeled, so the council called in some goons, one of whom grabbed the camera and lanyard around the guys neck, without a privilege to do so. What happens next is kind of amazing....





The citizen saw it as an assault and pummeled the guard who drew his weapon and fired in a room full of people.

Big surprise, the citizen was charged with felony assault!

I could comment further, but just got done doing so on the PINAC site. I'll leave it open fro a while and then see if I have any useful comments....other than this is sick. I've been in the middle of crazy public meeting stuff. Assaults, camera bashing...glad it didn't end up in gunfire.

imo, this is a huge case that will gain a lot of traction. I'm pleased to present it to ATS.

photographyisnotacrime.com...

(photographyisnotacrime.com/2015/07/video-shows-ohio-security-guard-pull-gun-on-pinac-correspondent-during-struggle-to-seize-his-camera)
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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 12:29 AM
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Great find. It just shows you have to grovel before our elected officials and we have to actually have their permission to air grievances and even then they are not receptive. You could tell they were completely dismissing the guy while he was calmly pleading his case. Then the female victim mentality set in and they were outraged that another human would have non threatening contact with someone. I do think the guy messed up when he was swinging at the guard not because he shouldn't defend himself but because it would be a Pyrrhic victory at best with the army of private security they had in place.
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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 12:29 AM
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HA. Did you read the cop statement? How do you write this stuff when there are videos you can't capture and lose, and the video directly contradicts your statement?


Not only that, but I didn't hear any statement from either the city wonks or the security informing him that he had to leave, or had been trespassed. They just started grabbing at him. Doesn't that constitute assault? I don't think you get to just walk up to me and start trying to snatch my belongings or grab me, especially when there's no ongoing incident, it's not like he's on top of someone wailing away on them or something, he's just sitting there talking conversationally.
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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 12:32 AM
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a reply to: FlyingFox

Well that could have been handled better.

I guess this is what happens when an idiot meets a moron



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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 12:32 AM
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The guy in the white who is sitting down didn't even flinch the entire time lol.


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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 12:37 AM
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I don't know why the first security guard came in so aggressively and tried to grab the camera without even saying a word or uttering a warning. That was pretty stupid.

Secondly, I really don't think the civilian should of started throwing punches but at the same time I can't really blame him as the guard gave no warning and started grabbing almost immediately. I would of viewed it as a threat too.

As for the gun being fired, I don't think there is ANY excuse for it even being withdrew from it's holster. The civilian was unarmed. If 2 security guards can't handle one unarmed guy without having to draw guns then perhaps they should seek employment at Taco Bell or something else low risk.

I love how after the guy is pretty much detained and on the floor the other 3 guards(I assume they're guards) come in all aggressive and proceed to man handle the civilian.

WTF is this world coming to?
How long before people have had enough of this bull#hit and start treating cops and other authority figures how they treat us?

And yeah, I know it's not "all" cops etc, so don't even go there... blah blah blah.



posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 12:42 AM
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They were from Mansfield Ohio what do you expect ?


Richland County is the Hazzard County of Ohio .

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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 12:43 AM
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originally posted by: ShadowLink

And yeah, I know it's not "all" cops etc, so don't even go there... blah blah blah.


Hell, they're not even cops, they're local SO rejects.



posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 12:44 AM
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a reply to: FlyingFox The town officials looked bored and irritated that they had to sit and listen to a citizen. Then security guards try to take his camera out of the blue? I am not really good at punching, but I would have held onto that camera and struggled to the end. Unbeleiveable.


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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 12:49 AM
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a reply to: FlyingFox

Just when the woman is saying how inappropriate it was for him to touch another person the security comes and immediately starts touching him. Ha ha you can't make this up.

She was saying how she has no recollection of security touching people right as baldy comes storming in touching people OMG. You can't script this.


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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 12:51 AM
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a reply to: Bedlam

According to the head of security at the building..


Both security guards are certified law enforcement officers; carrying guns is what they've done most of their career and they have proper training," Leitenberger said.


www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com...

I'm no expert, but I disagree with that statement.


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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 12:51 AM
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I wonder what he did when he touched the girl?

The lady in the black needs to be charged for instigating that situation. She got up and signaled the guards, I wonder what she said to them? She even poked her head back into the room to make sure she saw the result.

It looks like she picked a reason to mess with the guy.

That guard is an idiot as well for not even asking him to leave first. Big mistake, jumping to physical assault before asking him to leave.

And, what is he doing drawing a sidearm on him? He is twice his size. Clusterfk all around.

A lawyer will get the charges dropped and this guy will sue.imo



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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 12:56 AM
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a reply to: FlyingFox

And at the end of the video. "GUYS LUCKY HE STILL HAS IS HEAD ON HIM." Id say he's lucky for not getting you balls blown off by the "accidental discharge" as they put it.

"Accidental discharge" Pretty sure he drew and pulled the trigger. I would like to know the make and model of the gun he fired. That will tell us pretty quick if an accidental discharge is even possible.



posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 01:00 AM
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a reply to: PraetorianAZ

The report of accidental discharge has changed, they now say it was deliberate.

Lucky no one was badly hurt, although a human bite wound can be very nasty.


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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 01:01 AM
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originally posted by: Chadwickus

I'm no expert, but I disagree with that statement.


They may still have certs, but it's also been said they were "former SO who were hired as guards". I don't think having a cert carries police powers unless you're actually, you know, a deputy or police officer. You'll notice he didn't say what department they belonged to.

eta: hell, I'm still an FSO and a CSSO, able to arrest and body cavity search any local LEO who intrudes on my domain, but I don't kid myself that I can wander the world as some sort of federally certified security ronin.
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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 01:01 AM
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originally posted by: Mandroid7
I wonder what he did when he touched the girl?




It seemed to me they were saying that he was free to look at something that she had near her or on the computer. He walked around with his camera to document whatever she was referring too. My guess he touched her shoulder when he leaned down with the camera. Clearly non-threatening.
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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 01:01 AM
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Right at 2:27 to 2:29 you can see the guy that fired his weapon look right at the camera. He knew he messed up with that shot, then saw the camera and decided summary execution is no longer on the table.

Baldy should be charged with reckless endangerment, assault, attempted murder, and unlawful discharge of a firearm.



posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 01:02 AM
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Some day I'll post some of my private videos on ATS.
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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 01:03 AM
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Interesting, also at 4:45 the guy in the blue shirt reaches for the officer and appears to be checking his name tag or something but it looks like he touched him in the same manner that the citizen used to "touch" the other person only a minute or so ago before. I guess you can only do that if you are in the club..



posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 01:04 AM
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originally posted by: NihilistSanta

originally posted by: Mandroid7
I wonder what he did when he touched the girl?




It seemed to me they were saying that he was free to look at something that she had near her or on the computer. He walked around with his camera to document whatever she was referring too. My guess he touched her shoulder when he leaned down with the camera. Clearly non-threatening.


They all had their badges and IDs obscured so he couldn't identify them. She said something about showing hers, he walked around and held his camera in front of it and then sat back down.




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