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Why Are the NIST FOIA Videos Cut and Tampered With?

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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 03:40 PM
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hey Shadow Herder i just wanted to say thanks for the videos and for your wonderful display of not only 'denying' but 'ignoring' ignorance. i think this is the way to shut the OSers up -just flat out do not respond to them. they don't deserve a dialogue. well done.




posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 07:44 PM
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This Bob and Brie video was suspicious from its release, it took years for the release and when they released it was pay per view only then upon viewing the video it has been cut and edited to remove key moments in the impacts and collapses.


@ 19:38. Why would they cut a portion out?
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posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 09:18 PM
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originally posted by: AlexJowls
My question is: What will any of these often blurry, raucous videos prove? That people in and around such large scale dramas hear and see many things; some factual, some a product of stress and some just blatant lies?

The thing is, unless a 'smoking gun' is produced - say, for example, a discernible video of what hit the Pentagon - governments will not be pressured into even acknowledging peoples' concerns beyond it being bunkum, let alone taking any earnest action towards allaying concerns as to the voracity of the official reports.


Who cares ??

We at least can acknowledge and make certain people uncomfortable and smug, and know within ourselves just how bad it really is, like trying to convince a Christian all they know is bunkum, they will never accept it, but they WILL be forced to think just a tad, thus making them more programmed than ever, they get what they deserve.

Pressured into acknowledging ??? Almost every group in this world including governments operate on a schedule born of fear, destruction, and they are just trying to make things continue, we just want them to know they cannot escape!!!




posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 11:15 PM
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Herding from behind the shadows again?

More 911 rubble to bury our heads in like good little ostriches…


pffft



posted on Jul, 13 2015 @ 03:25 AM
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www.youtube.com...
It was all on TV: a conspiracy.

Even in Europe the BBC joined them, with clearvision they even predicted fall of no 7 on forehand.. oops..

There is just too much wrong with it. See also the end of the movie, strange isn't ?



posted on Jul, 24 2015 @ 03:47 AM
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I've noticed these edits myself.Trying to make the vids align with the OS more? But there is still plenty of footage that shows the events of that day as not happening the way the Kean/Zelikow commission and Nist say they happened.


PS:Great thread OP! S&F for ya!



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 08:43 PM
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I noticed that too when researching the NIST release videos. They seem to have all been tampered with.



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 09:33 PM
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a reply to: AsherLewin11



I noticed that too when researching the NIST release videos. They seem to have all been tampered with.


Evidence please. Speculation is not an answer.



posted on Sep, 19 2015 @ 03:12 PM
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A great video showing video tampering is the footage from the 9/11 new pearl harbor film.

watch the part at

0.18:30 - Security video analysis



no doubt whatsoever



posted on Sep, 19 2015 @ 05:48 PM
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a reply to: SkuzzleButt

Just to let you know that your video is spewing disinformation and has been debunked with facts and evidence.

For an example, my Wing Commander was inside the Pentagon when American 77 struck and I have identified B-757 wreckage inside and outside the Pentagon. In addition, American Airlines and the Boeing Aircraft Co. supplied the conversion formulas that applied ONLY to the FDR of American 77 and no other aircraft.

These B-757 flaps came from American 77, which was a B-757.

Photo: Wing Flaps of American 77

Along with other wreckage.

Photo: American 77 Wreckage at the Pentagon

Photo: American 77 Wreckage at the Pentagon 2

That so-called "New Pearl Harbor" is a joke because it left the military financially broke after 9/11. Ever wondered why the military cancelled airshows and why some units in Afghanistan had to cut back on breakfast?

The fact that I was told by the Air Force that it did not have enough money for me to order necessary items for my workers is another example. One only has to look at the military cutbacks.
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posted on Sep, 19 2015 @ 07:15 PM
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Looks like bone yard debris to me. That is not evidence.

Look a photo.

It is a fact that photos can be used to distort facts.

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posted on Sep, 19 2015 @ 08:19 PM
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Looks like bone yard debris to me. That is not evidence.


It doesn't work that way in the real world. I had worked in the aircraft boneyard in 1970 on a two-month TDY from Hill AFB, UT. As a defense contractor at Travis AFB, often dealt with the AMARC folks at Davis-Monthan AFB, home of that large aircraft boneyard.

So once again, my experience in the real world of aviation trumps your wild speculations.


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posted on Sep, 19 2015 @ 09:15 PM
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It doesn't work that way in the real world.


Yes it does. The fact is, In the real world 14 year old photo, probably from some bone yard is what the OS believers call truth. That is not evidence.


I had worked in the aircraft boneyard in 1970 on a two-month TDY from Hill AFB, UT. As a defense contractor at Travis AFB, often dealt with the AMARC folks at Davis-Monthan AFB, home of that large aircraft boneyard.


Your experience does not qualify you as a 911 expert in everything that happened that day.


So once again, my experience in the real world of aviation trumps your wild speculations.


The OS of 911 is a wild speculation and I see very few people on ATS supporting it.

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posted on Sep, 19 2015 @ 11:20 PM
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Yes it does.


No it doesn't, because in doing so, would leave a very long paper trail, but you wouldn't know that because you've never dealt with the aircraft boneyard folks as I have.



The OS of 911 is a wild speculation and I see very few people on ATS supporting it.


Can't be a matter of speculation after surviving 14 years. Even the experts have confirmed that explosives and thermite were not used, which is understandable considering that no explosives are heard as the WTC buildings collapsed, which explains why no demo explosions were detected by seismic monitors, which explains why no demo evidence was ever found.



Your experience does not qualify you as a 911 expert in everything that happened that day.


On the contrary, my experience and knowledge is how I know truters have been posting bogus references, hoaxed videos and photos, and disinformation.

Did you really think that cranes and trucks were used to spread boneyard aircraft debris at the Pentagon at the same time as hundreds of people were cleaning up inside the outside the Pentagon?
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posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 03:03 AM
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No it doesn't, because in doing so, would leave a very long paper trail, but you wouldn't know that because you've never dealt with the aircraft boneyard folks as I have.


Wow, your an expert pilot, your an expert Bone yard inspector, your an expert airplane mechanic, your an expert in plane crashes, your an expert in airplane investigations, your an expert, Engineering, your an expert in Architectures, your an expert in demolitions, your an expert in explosives, your an experts of science, your an expert on the Truth movement, your an expert on disinformation, with all these highly skills I don't understand how you have the time to monitor all these 911 threads 24 hours seven days a week. This truly boggles my mind.

You should be Vice President or a CEO for a major Airline corporation with this kind of knowledge.


Can't be a matter of speculation after surviving 14 years. Even the experts have confirmed that explosives and thermite were not used,


In all my years of research into 911, the only so call expert to public come out and make that claim was a member of NIST.


which is understandable considering that no explosives are heard as the WTC buildings collapsed,


I disagree with your statement. There were over 500 eyewitness who went on public record many stating they saw explosions, they heard explosions, and some survived being in the explosions. So your statement is incorrect.


which explains why no demo evidence was ever found.


Your right, all the WTC debris was rushed away and all the evidence was destroyed and no investigation was ever done at ground zero. That is why there was no demo evidence found. The clean up at ground zero was done by a demolition company and every dump truck had tracking devices on them so they couldn't stop on the way to the Kill zone land fill. That was the first time I heard of dump trucks having tracking devices on them.

I wonder why?


On the contrary, my experience and knowledge is how I know truters have been posting bogus references, hoaxed videos and photos, and disinformation.


I understand there has been disinformation and the Truth movement was comprise. However most Truthers today do not support the disinformation that started shortly after 911 happened. That old disinformation has been debunked years ago.
We have seen all the hoax videos and photos and most Truthers who have done years of research dismiss those hoaxes and have moved on to more important issues concerning 911, like the real science.


Did you really think that cranes and trucks were used to spread boneyard aircraft debris at the Pentagon


I have never told you what I think. Nor have I made that kind of allegation?


at the same time as hundreds of people were cleaning up inside the outside the Pentagon?


Yes, you are right about that. The media coverage on the morning of 911 showed men carrying black plastic bags walking all over a crime scene picking up "small" debris in front of the Pentagon and carried away to never be seen again.

Whatever they were picking up was so important and very small to fit in plastic bags. That's very interesting to say the lease.



posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 03:54 AM
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a reply to: Informer1958




Yes, you are right about that. The media coverage on the morning of 911 showed men carrying black plastic bags walking all over a crime scene picking up "small" debris in front of the Pentagon and carried away to never be seen again.


The men were FBI agents. They were recovering pieces of the aircraft before the pieces were lost or trampled

Heavy equipment was being brought in to the Pentagon to begin the recovery and repair of the Pentagon

Gravel was being trucked in to prevent the equipment from becoming bogged down in the mud caused by all the water
pumped into the Pentagon to fight the fires

There is a simple explanation which "truthers" always reject in favor of the bizarre or sinister......



posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 01:43 PM
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a reply to: Informer1958



Wow, your an expert pilot,...


That's right!


... your an expert Bone yard inspector...


I was not an inspector at that time. In 1970, I was sent to the Davis-Monthan AFB boneyard along with a few members of my squadron from Hill AFB, UT on a two-month TDY. We were assigned to assist MASDC to prepare aircraft for storage. I was assigned to B-52's while other members of my team were assigned to other aircraft such as the B-58 Hustler and a variety of other aircraft.

During my TDY at Davis-Monthan AFB, I continued my flight training at the Davis-Monthan AFB Aero Club, and it was from that club where I first soloed in an airplane. I began flight training at the Hill AFB Aero Club in 1969.



...your an expert airplane mechanic,


That's right, because in the Air Force, I was an airframe technician and even as a DCC crewmember aboard the Air Force's C-5 transport at Travis AFB. After completing my 4-year active duty with the Air Force, worked for 18 months as an 'insulator helper' on nuclear submarines at the Mare Island Naval Shipyard, Vallejo, CA. Afterward, I began my employment at Travis AFB as an Air Reserve Technician (ART) which is a combined civilian/military position. Now, I am an Air Force civilian and military retiree.


...
before I r Iyour an expert in plane crashes,


One of the jobs as an airframe technician is battle damage and accident damage evaluations and use the results to develop repairs. I have been assigned to specialize aircraft RAM teams where we repaired battle-damaged aircraft that were above the repair levels of the local airbase and aircraft modification teams while based at Hill AFB because the squadron that I was assigned to at Hill AFB was a specialize squadron that was unique from other Air Force squadrons. That assignment at Hill AFB came after my Vietnam tour of duty.


... your an expert in airplane investigations, your an expert,


As an airframe technician, we develop damage evaluation reports that are used in incident investigations.


Engineering, your an expert in Architectures,...


Structural knowledge is part of the job as an airframe technician, a.k.a. aircraft structural repair specialist or repairmen in the Air Force.


...
your an expert in demolitions,


During war, I have witnessed hundreds of bomb explosions and since then, I have educated myself to understand what explosive demolition is all about, which is another reason why I have stated for the record that I saw no evidence of demo explosions as WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 collapsed.

[quote...your an experts of science,

Well, there was a reason why Raytheon Aerospace and the U.S. Air Force sent me to Pensacola, FL. to develop a new technical inlet manual for the TF-39C engine, which was used at that time to power the Air Force's C-5 transport. I might add that replacement pressure flapper valves used on the Air Force's C-5 transport are of my invention along with support equipment and special tools that I invented for the Air Force and defense contractors at Travis AFB.

I have also invented special tools used at the U.S. Army helicopter depot at Corpus Christi, Texas. I have also been employed by AECOM, Vertex Aerospace, and L3 Communications. It is not that I was jumping from company to company, it was that those companies would compete and take over the same contract that I was assigned to.

I have many connections with the Air Force, including the 477th Fighter Group, 302nd Fighter Squadron. It was that unit that intercepted Russian bombers two months ago on July 4. Those units have their roots with the Tuskegee Airmen, a group of World War II airmen for whom I have ties. In fact, my flying buddy was a Tuskegee Airmen, who nominated me as president of one of the Tuskegee Airmen chapters where I was voted in by its members. In addition, I am the Historian for that Tuskegee Airmen chapter and now, I am president of another aviation-related chapter of the Experimental Aircraft Association.

If you want to know who I am, you can find me on the Internet here where I am posing with the First Lady of the Tuskgee Airmen, Mrs. Edith Roberts, and Senator Lois Wolk and my flying buddy, Lt. Col. James C. Warren, an original Tuskegee Airman.

Photo 1

Photo 2

Photo 3


your an expert on the Truth movement,...


The Truth Movement made its own mark.


... your an expert on disinformation,


Which was taught in the Air Force.


... with all these highly skills I don't understand how you have the time to monitor all these 911 threads 24 hours seven days a week. This truly boggles my mind.


Being an Air Force retiree and managing my time, it is not that much of a problem. My two aviation-related chapters flew a number of children yesterday for 6 1/2 hours and I still found time to come home and relax. I hopes that helps to know who I am.
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posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 02:05 PM
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Your response has nothing to do with what i posted.

The thread is discussing tampered videos. The analysis which i have shown has not been debunked in anyway whatsoever, in fact its undisputable that that particular cctv video has been edited in someway.

this is proof of video tampering. thats all i am saying, no need to derail the thread with random pictures



posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: SkuzzleButt

There are multiple videos that can be used to verify the authenticity of a particular video. I have caught truthers posting hoaxed videos on a number of occasions and they continue to do so.
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posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 03:11 PM
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I have caught truthers posting hoaxed videos on a number of occasions and they continue to do so.


I have caught OS supporters posting hoaxed videos in many occasions and they continue to still do it.



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