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originally posted by: reldra
"This is what you get when you cannot defend what you are defending. Nonsense as substance. Vapidity as intellectual rigor. In this arena, you have to rig the rules of the game so that it is actually as wrong, if not more so, to dare to call the wrongdoer (or the apologist for the wrongdoer) out. "
Defining Tolerance Via Bigot's Rights
originally posted by: ProfessorChaos
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: ProfessorChaos
originally posted by: reldra
No. You are not "intolerant" if you won't accept bigots or bigotry-related concern trolling or apologia about what is truly tolerant and what is not when you meet hate. That ship has sailed."
I hope that the inherent hilarity of stating that being intolerant of behaviors that you do not agree with doesn't make you "intolerant", hasn't escaped the eyes of those reading the post quoted above.
Obvious logical fallacy is obvious.
Because I do not tolerate bigotry does not make me intolerant. I would have to not tolerate for no reason at all and for random things.
Let's say you don't like swearing in your home. You do not tolerate it and you tell people who use an expletive on the spot, that you do not tolerate it. That does not make you intolerant in general.
Not tolerating something makes you intolerant of it. This should not be a difficult concept to grasp.
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: ProfessorChaos
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: ProfessorChaos
originally posted by: reldra
No. You are not "intolerant" if you won't accept bigots or bigotry-related concern trolling or apologia about what is truly tolerant and what is not when you meet hate. That ship has sailed."
I hope that the inherent hilarity of stating that being intolerant of behaviors that you do not agree with doesn't make you "intolerant", hasn't escaped the eyes of those reading the post quoted above.
Obvious logical fallacy is obvious.
Because I do not tolerate bigotry does not make me intolerant. I would have to not tolerate for no reason at all and for random things.
Let's say you don't like swearing in your home. You do not tolerate it and you tell people who use an expletive on the spot, that you do not tolerate it. That does not make you intolerant in general.
Not tolerating something makes you intolerant of it. This should not be a difficult concept to grasp.
Yes, of IT. The one thing. Like the example of others using expletives in one;s home.
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: ProfessorChaos
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: ProfessorChaos
originally posted by: reldra
No. You are not "intolerant" if you won't accept bigots or bigotry-related concern trolling or apologia about what is truly tolerant and what is not when you meet hate. That ship has sailed."
I hope that the inherent hilarity of stating that being intolerant of behaviors that you do not agree with doesn't make you "intolerant", hasn't escaped the eyes of those reading the post quoted above.
Obvious logical fallacy is obvious.
Because I do not tolerate bigotry does not make me intolerant. I would have to not tolerate for no reason at all and for random things.
Let's say you don't like swearing in your home. You do not tolerate it and you tell people who use an expletive on the spot, that you do not tolerate it. That does not make you intolerant in general.
Not tolerating something makes you intolerant of it. This should not be a difficult concept to grasp.
Yes, of IT. The one thing. Like the example of others using expletives in one;s home.
I have seen people say things like 'I don't believe in your imaginary sky God, so that doesn't pertain to me'. I have seen Christians say things on the same level of dismissivness. Believe me, if I saw a Christian insulted for no other reason and in a mean way, I would call out the jerk. You don't know me very well. You haven't seen my contributions to serene religious discussions either, it appears. I am not an atheist.
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE
I haven't seen anyone who hates Christians here
Bullocks. I see plenty of people mocking/bullying Christians or anyone of any faith. Maybe you refuse to see it because you agree with those doing the mocking.
It is a sad and backwards time when the defenders of the oppressed are called bigots. This is a twisted concept the right wing has invented. Or maybe it's just right wing media that ahas invented it. I am not sure whom, but they are pandering to a certain segment of the population.
It's like I'm listening to an MSNBC interview of Clinton, Very pathetic that you'd pull the victim card here lol.
originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
So now i am a bigot because i cant stand racist people, is that todays excuse so real bigots can feel better about themselves.
originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
So now i am a bigot because i cant stand racist people, is that todays excuse so real bigots can feel better about themselves.
originally posted by: reldra
I have seen people say things like 'I don't believe in your imaginary sky God, so that doesn't pertain to me'. I have seen Christians say things on the same level of dismissivness. Believe me, if I saw a Christian insulted for no other reason and in a mean way, I would call out the jerk. You don't know me very well. You haven't seen my contributions to serene religious discussions either, it appears. I am not an atheist.
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE
I haven't seen anyone who hates Christians here
Bullocks. I see plenty of people mocking/bullying Christians or anyone of any faith. Maybe you refuse to see it because you agree with those doing the mocking.
It is a sad and backwards time when the defenders of the oppressed are called bigots. This is a twisted concept the right wing has invented. Or maybe it's just right wing media that ahas invented it. I am not sure whom, but they are pandering to a certain segment of the population.
It's like I'm listening to an MSNBC interview of Clinton, Very pathetic that you'd pull the victim card here lol.
I rarely watch the MSM and have not seen an interview of Hilary Clinton in at least 2 years.
Pulling the victim card would mean that I am saying I am a victim.
You are at least confused and assume too much.
I have discussed this to almost no end. I apologize if you find the quantity and quality of my contributions lacking. I am not a 'thread derailer'. This thread I have spent entirely enough time on though. I am awaited elsewhere. Please, do go on.
originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
a reply to: reldra
Unless you are simply trying to derail this thread because you don't want it to continue or actually discuss the topic? Hmmm.
originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE
Customers.
originally posted by: reldra
I have discussed this to almost no end. I apologize if you find the quantity and quality of my contributions lacking. I am not a 'thread derailer'. This thread I have spent entirely enough time on though. I am awaited elsewhere. Please, do go on.
originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
a reply to: reldra
Unless you are simply trying to derail this thread because you don't want it to continue or actually discuss the topic? Hmmm.
originally posted by: ProfessorChaos
originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
So now i am a bigot because i cant stand racist people, is that todays excuse so real bigots can feel better about themselves.
It makes you bigoted against bigoted people.
Talk about self loathing...
I found the article to be a good one. I know it is a leftist site, but I have seen it only about 4x in my life. The article came up in a google search, I was looking for better wording for this backwards 'calling the people who call out bigots bigotry' thing.
originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: reldra
You are posting a leftist site stating an opinion as a source. The use of the absolute term wrong in the quote would be the contention. I mean I personally believe in many absolute statements but in this instance it is open to interpretation depending on which view you hold to be "true" or "wrong".
originally posted by: reldra
I found the article to be a good one. I know it is a leftist site, but I have seen it only about 4x in my life. The article came up in a google search, I was looking for better wording for this backwards 'calling the people who call out bigots bigotry' thing.
originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: reldra
You are posting a leftist site stating an opinion as a source. The use of the absolute term wrong in the quote would be the contention. I mean I personally believe in many absolute statements but in this instance it is open to interpretation depending on which view you hold to be "true" or "wrong".
It is a source, this entire thread is opinion.