Ancient Chinese writing found on ancient stones in America

Researchers have discovered ancient scripts that suggest Chinese explorers may have discovered America long before Europeans arrived there.
They have found pictograms etched into the rocks around the country that appear to belong of an ancient Chinese script.

Mr Ruskamp said: 'Although only half of the symbols found on the large boulder in Albuquerque, New Mexico have been identified and confirmed as Chinese scripts, when the four central pictogram-glyphs of this message - Jie, Da, Quan, and Xian - are read in the traditional Chinese manner from right to left we learn about a respectful man honoring a superior with the sacrificial offering of a dog.

'Notably, the written order of these symbols conforms with the syntax used for documenting ancient Chinese rituals during the Shang and Zhou dynasties, and dog sacrifices were very popular in the second part of the second millennium B.C. in China.'

- Ancient Chinese Script found


Here is my opinion. The Chinese created their characters from pictures. A picture of a dog, for example, became a quick-to-draw character/symbol of a dog over time. Maybe certain Native Americans did the same? If so, it wouldn't be surprising that certain ancient Chinese symbols/characters would look similar to the Native American symbols/characters since dogs look similar all around the world.

What do you think about this?

It would kind of make sense really, being that nearly all native races can be tracked back across the once joined Bering Strait. The later Chinese explorers probably asserted there travels based off older lore from that time.

It all depends on syntax, if your theory was correct, the syntax for Chinese writing would not apply ; However it appears it did/does. (reading from right to left)

words or symbols have different meanings, based on syntax and/or context it narrows the meanings (or "should")


The chance this is coincidence is possible, but not probable.

originally posted by: arpgme


What do you think about this?

1. the unqualified discoverer has a book out
2. The age of the glyphs has not been confirmed by anything
3. The glyphs could easily be native
4. None of the researchers involved knows anything about native writing systems.
5. There are other glyphs on the rock face which have been ignored because they couldn't be matched
6. The newspaper article is deliberately misleading "they appear to forms of writing that went out of use thousands of years ago.". They are still in everyday use



Call me sceptical, but if you haven't eliminated the probable...

btw, there is a thread about this here that you might enjoy
www.hallofmaat.com...,596309

originally posted by: rexsblues
It would kind of make sense really, being that nearly all native races can be tracked back across the once joined Bering Strait. The later Chinese explorers probably asserted there travels based off older lore from that time.

What older lore are you talking about, the NA travelled via Siberia and were never in contact with the Chinese, who were hunter gatherers at that time.

a reply to: arpgme

I have been to Petroglyph National Monument many times, there are 20,000 petroglyphs there, some are bound to look like Chinese characters. There are also a lot of recent fakes carved into the rocks as well, erotic and porn.

Still, could be Chinese explorers....idk

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: arpgme

I have been to Petroglyph National Monument many times, there are 20,000 petroglyphs there, some are bound to look like Chinese characters. There are also a lot of recent fakes carved into the rocks as well, erotic and porn.

Still, could be Chinese explorers....idk

Yep, them Chinee love the porn.

Harte

IIRC Sego Canyon was used as an example that it was "probable" some of the glyphs represented the Bon People. This matches up with Ute oral tradition and more IIRC Navaho as well.
So why not other ethnic Chinese?

originally posted by: Caver78
IIRC Sego Canyon was used as an example that it was "probable" some of the glyphs represented the Bon People. This matches up with Ute oral tradition and more IIRC Navaho as well.
So why not other ethnic Chinese?

Do you have a link ?

I read a book called 1421id china discover america........some very good connections i found,very logical too. There have also been rock pictures found here in NZ that are said to be chinese....and a map of the world carved into a boulder with chinese script on it

originally posted by: hiddenNZ
I read a book called 1421

id china discover america........some very good connections i found,very logical too. There have also been rock pictures found here in NZ that are said to be chinese....and a map of the world carved into a boulder with chinese script on it

Robery Finlay

Unfortunately, this reckless manner of dealing with evidence is typical of 1421, vitiating all its extraordinary claims: the voyages it describes never took place, Chinese information never reached Prince Henry and Columbus, and there is no evidence of the Ming fleets in newly discovered lands. The fundamental assumption of the book—that Zhu Di dispatched the Ming fleets because he had a "grand plan", a vision of charting the world and creating a maritime empire spanning the oceans—is simply asserted by Menzies without a shred of proof ... The reasoning of 1421 is inexorably circular, its evidence spurious, its research derisory, its borrowings unacknowledged, its citations slipshod, and its assertions preposterous ... Examination of the book's central claims reveals they are uniformly without substance

u Ming Yang of the United States, Jin Guo-Ping of Portugal, Philip Rivers of Malaysia, and Malhão Pereira and Geoff Wade of Singapore

His book 1421: The Year China Discovered the World, is a work of sheer fiction presented as revisionist history. Not a single document or artifact has been found to support his new claims on the supposed Ming naval expeditions beyond Africa...Menzies' numerous claims and the hundreds of pieces of "evidence" he has assembled have been thoroughly and entirely discredited by historians, maritime experts and oceanographers from China, the U.S., Europe and elsewhere

Tan Ta Sen, president of the International Zheng He Society

The book is very interesting, but you still need more evidence. We don't regard it as an historical book, but as a narrative one. I want to see more proof. But at least Menzies has started something, and people could find more evidence

Isn't it a pretty well proven theory that the Native Americans are originally people from Asia whom traveled across the ice bridge? Maybe they continued to come over?

...The reasoning of 1421 is inexorably circular, its evidence spurious, its research derisory, its borrowings unacknowledged, its citations slipshod, and its assertions preposterous ... Examination of the book's central claims reveals they are uniformly without substance...

That's almost word-for-word the same as the feedback on my last dissertation. Freaky.

Seriously though, I don't have a hard time believing in a much more vast trade network going on then people realize between continents before 1492.

Even all the way in NM, if they can find coc aine in Egyptian crypts, sweet potatoes in NZ and Cook Islands, along with shared linguistics around 1000 CE, then I don't see why this is impossible either. Link

a reply to: sirChill


yep,we have whats called a cabbage tree here,which is a yucca,native to south america.......kumara,a sweet potato,which is called kumara in south america also......the native maori call their sun god Ra,same as the ancient egyptians did.....
www.elocal.co.nz...

originally posted by: game over man
Isn't it a pretty well proven theory that the Native Americans are originally people from Asia whom traveled across the ice bridge? Maybe they continued to come over?

Asia is a very large place

At least the guy submitted a paper for review.
It is possible and likely that at some point , mariners from Asia made it to the west coast.
The various waves of Asian originated native Americans certainly did.
There are strong indications people from Taiwan and southern Japan made their way in the early Holocene. There is also very strong evidence of migrations from the New world back to Asia.

Back to the OP, it would be more likely that such travel would not have been as far back as the shang dy., they were not a strong maritime culture at that time.
New work shows that many of the petroglyphs in Sw are not as old a previously thought.
So, given that, I might be that they weren't made byChinese at all, but by Japanese, who would have been using the same characters.
Japanese specific HLA genes are found among the Pima.
I had a class in collage , in which , the professor had lecture about a document he came across I'm Japan while doing doctoral work.
The document related a journey by Buddhist monks, in the 11th century, to a faraway land.. When they left Japan they sailed north (land on left sunrise on right) until they got to a stormy and cold sea enshrouded in fog. At some point they realized both the land and sunrise were on their left(sailing south).
Many days passed as they sailed past treacherous forested coastlines , that afforded no harbor, when they nearly starving the terrain changed to wide beaches with occasional rivers flowing into the sea.
After a couple weeks the terrain became dry and hot, and then one morning the sun rose on the right, and the coast on the left(they were sailing north again in the sea of Cortez).
They made their way into a vast delta and up a big river , where they were blocked by a cataract.
Their was a villiage of native here and they stayed a year or so and explored upriver with their native guides until they came upon rival territory.
Since they were unable to convert the locals they left a sailed back the way they came, but a few individuals stayed behind .
When they returned their story was written down as they told it to the emperor.
I kick myself for letting those class materials escape me, it had the citations of where he found the manuscript.
And there was another journey in the 15th century that brought back cotton and pineapples from southern Mexico.
And the Kuroshio current has deposited many a Japanese ship on the west coast.
In fact one tribe in coastal northern cal uses a Japanese word for milk.
And refer to the "little men" who lived in the forest and were magical craftsmen. It's I'm this area that the Indians had hair started to make and use iron .
So , I think it's probable but the bar of evidence is very high.

originally posted by: hiddenNZ
a reply to: sirChill


yep,we have whats called a cabbage tree here,which is a yucca,native to south america.......kumara,a sweet potato,which is called kumara in south america also......the native maori call their sun god Ra,same as the ancient egyptians did.....
www.elocal.co.nz...

Stop telling porkies. A cabbage tree (Cordyline) is NOT a Yucca

The Maori sun god is called Tama-nui-te-rā. Notice the macron which elongates the sound.

I couldn't find any information on the kumara in South America. If you could provide the source (not e-local) thaqt would be great.

a reply to: punkinworks10

So, given that, I might be that they weren't made by Chinese at all, but by Japanese, who would have been using the same characters.

If this is true, it would make sense why these symbols were found in the south-west of the US and not Alaska (near Russia/Asia). Interesting stuff.

a reply to: arpgme
I think your opinion is as good as this fellow's opinion.

John Ruskamp, a retired chemist and amateur epigraph researcher from Illinois, discovered the unusual markings while walking in the Petroglyph National Monument in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... 00-years-ago.html#ixzz3fSY4eIJ6 Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Now, were he an ancient Chinese language specialist, his musing might hold some weight but simply because he can see similarities in modern Chinese characters and ancient petroglyphs, makes it a real stretch for me. As an archaeologist, I'm pretty open-minded but even I need some form of ground-truthing evidence when such grand statements are put forth.
In my brief study of the Chinese language (one year) one of the things I learned was that the language had changed over time just as all other languages have done. According to one of my professors, the most dramatic changes occurred after contact with Europeans became common (post 13th century) when interchanges between the two cultures introduced new ideas to both societies.

a reply to: hiddenNZ

I've read 1421. It's rubbish.

I can see how an uncritical reader might be impressed by it (I was lent the book by one such uncritical reader), but really, for anyone who knows evern a little bit about history, it's obvious rubbish.