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UK to receive "living wage" by 2020 £9 per hour minimum wage.

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posted on Jul, 9 2015 @ 04:40 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
Progressive taxes are idiotic. Especially when governments make a killing off other taxes, The have the power to print treasuries. They have the power to print money out of thin air.


Did you just put forward the argument that governments shouldn't seek to tax people because they can print money? That leads to rapid inflation.


Get rid of income taxes would be one hell of an economic stimulus.


No, it wouldn't. The government still needs to take in income for all of it's various programs. If you cut income taxes all you'll do is create a litany of other taxes on other products. You can see this process in reverse too where income taxes have increased because no one is willing to increase the gas tax.

All campaigning against a tax really is, is a petition for a new tax. If you removed income taxes for example, you would most likely see a large increase in sales taxes. Except not all income that's taxed is spent on sales taxable items. This means that doing so shifts the tax burden off of everyone regardless of their saving/spending status and off of those saving on to those spending.




posted on Jul, 9 2015 @ 04:48 PM
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By 2020 you are going to need more than £9 a hour to live.



posted on Jul, 9 2015 @ 04:59 PM
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a reply to: proob4

Exactly.

It all sounds great now to the masses but in 5 years time, they'll be complaining again and realise they still have the same as what they have now.

Because

All outgoings (bills, travel etc) will keep going up.

When will that day come when Inflation stops totally?



posted on Jul, 9 2015 @ 06:23 PM
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A lot can happen in 5 Years.
some other party will be in power.

the UK gov is holding onto a LOT of money.
what for? so They can have a pay increase.
and a lot of people will sufer very badly.



posted on Jul, 9 2015 @ 07:55 PM
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My own preference and recommendation is for guaranteed income though only for proper citizens that have lived and worked here as such for at least 6 years.

www.businessinsider.com...
www.nytimes.com...



posted on Jul, 9 2015 @ 08:26 PM
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So $78,000 a year is living wage in the UK? And people think that they are entitled to this?



posted on Jul, 9 2015 @ 10:02 PM
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Hope the average worker in the UK is happy with £9 per hour, because he won't be getting any raises.



posted on Jul, 9 2015 @ 11:44 PM
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originally posted by: avgguy
So $78,000 a year is living wage in the UK? And people think that they are entitled to this?


£9 per hour for a standard 37.5 hour week for 52 weeks a year.

Comes to about £19,000.

???



posted on Jul, 10 2015 @ 12:16 AM
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originally posted by: idmonster

originally posted by: avgguy
So $78,000 a year is living wage in the UK? And people think that they are entitled to this?


£9 per hour for a standard 37.5 hour week for 52 weeks a year.

Comes to about £19,000.

???


Lol

Is 37.5 the standard there? Interesting. If so, actually, less yet, 17,550. And not sure how taxes factor in. Not sure where 78,000 came from.
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posted on Jul, 10 2015 @ 02:12 AM
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a reply to: TheJourney

The standard here is around 37.5 hours though many are on zero hour contracts or part time pro rata.



posted on Jul, 10 2015 @ 02:21 AM
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I agree with the idea, work should pay and working less should not...but there is a back story to those of the benefit class and also those in the working class...

Labour brought all these benefits in at a time when they were swamping the country with immigrants as cheap labour, thus lowering wages and affecting the lower end of the job market. To counter this and quell unrest, it was decided to implement a generous welfare package...Typical Socialist mantra.

Now my problem is this, the market is still being swamped with cheap labour and the jobs paying are really not there, even here in London. So where do working families make up the difference?

Forcing up the living wage will either force prices to rise or employers to run companies on skeleton staff or cheap under 25 labour...or even all three. Companies are not paying out wage increase in line with real inflation, my wage increase has been 1% every year for last 5 years, my wife has had 2% for the same period. We will be at a loss with this of £3000, so we will pull up our sleeves and take it, but I don't see how that's going to be balanced out for lower income families losing money and not able to make up the hours or get a job that pays because that end of the market is absolutely swamped.

Either way all I can see is the poor getting poorer, but I have to be subjective and say this budget is the best outcome for the country, in terms of fiscal policy, my problem is we are over populated and that is still unsustainable and affects fiscal policy. So this needs to be addressed without far left morons living in 99% white British affluent areas or financial comfortable London areas, shouting "racist" and "bigot".



posted on Jul, 10 2015 @ 03:33 AM
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I personally think it's partly aimed at dealing with the numbers of immigrants we have here.

1) Benefits will only be payable on the first 2 children - so for big families (if you catch my drift) they're potentially going to be a lot worse off.

2) If employers have to pay a living wage of £9 per hour then there is no incentive to employ foreign nationals who will work for less than the incumbent population.

The minimum wage for people who are over 21 yo is currently only £6.50 which puts a lot of people off working because they're no better off than living off benefits.

So less benefits and more pay = lazy British people are better off going to work, indeed will probably have to, and there's no incentive to employ immigrants.



posted on Jul, 10 2015 @ 06:09 AM
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a reply to: idmonster

I thought it said 9 pound raise from what's currently living wage?



posted on Jul, 12 2015 @ 09:46 PM
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Living wage my arse, you can just about live without government assistance in the UK (south at least) on £9 now, just.

Bloody hell how prices will rise by then, and inflation............

Another scam distraction from the fact the system has been milked dry and we are all going to pay the price for the few amongst us whom cannot control their greed.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 08:21 AM
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Report on the living wage.

www.telegraph.co.uk...


The Government’s new national living wage is likely to result in higher prices for shoppers, Moody’s has warned.
The minimum wage for over-25s is to rise from £6.50 per hour at present to £7.20 in 2017 and £9 by 2020 under proposals announced by George Osborne in the Budget.
This increase in basic pay is “credit negative” for retailers, restaurants, hotels and leisure companies because of the cost of increasing pay for the hundreds of thousands of workers they employ, according to an analysis by credit rating agency Moody’s.
• Struggling retailers face huge bill from wage rises and business rates
Staff account for roughly half of a retailer’s costs and large companies will have to stump up tens of millions of pounds to meet the living wage requirement.
A retailer employing 50,000 full-time staff at £7 per hour will have to pay an extra £21m a year to get to £7.20.
Maria Maslovsky, senior analyst at Moody’s, said the credit rating agency “expects retailers to pass on higher labour costs to customers” and also warned that retailers could reduce employee benefits such as staff discounters because they offer “room for manoeuvre”.



posted on Jul, 14 2015 @ 05:22 PM
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originally posted by: Soapusmaximus
Living wage my arse, you can just about live without government assistance in the UK (south at least) on £9 now, just.

Bloody hell how prices will rise by then, and inflation............

Another scam distraction from the fact the system has been milked dry and we are all going to pay the price for the few amongst us whom cannot control their greed.


Yup. And the poor will be blamed, cuz they're 'being paid so much.' How absurd.
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posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 11:25 PM
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The UK is especially bad, we and our forefathers built this country, we paid into it when times were good and bad.

And if you take away the illegal wars and the bailouts then we would all be employed, housed, fed and happy.

But this is the point, they are culling us, and to make it easier they need to remove our rights - and to stop us pushing back as hard they will take our wealth, then our infrastructure - then we will be sick and subjugated enough to submit.

I don't support UK's/US/EU/NATO Wars - or any war for that matter, lets shrug off these evil parasitic "leaders" and walk shoulder to shoulder, hand in hand as brothers and sisters of the world.

And any who don't want to cooperate (looking at you radical Islam/North Korea etc) then we just shut down travel and trade with you until you do - the rest of us can manage on our own until you decide to join the true human venture.


If only



posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 06:30 PM
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originally posted by: nonspecific
Yesterdays budget, the first tory only budget in 18 years had some interesting and some would say bold moves.

A £9 per hour minimum wage for the over 25's may seem at a glance to be a positive step for many lower paid workers but what will the real implications of this be.


Many EU countries have a minimum wage at more than £10 at present and that is for roles such as part-time assistans in bakeries. Even those countries without a statutory minimum wage have a de-facto minimum wage at around £10. I employ people and one could think that I would prioritise otherwise, but I'm not impressed. For me they could just as well have raised it to £10. A business that will go bust because of such a small increase is on the verge of collapsing anyway. I'd rather have staff that are happy and are looking forward to come in to work in the morning.



posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 06:35 PM
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originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: TheJourney

The standard here is around 37.5 hours though many are on zero hour contracts or part time pro rata.


37.5 hours is standard in the public sector. For the private sector it is generally 40 hours.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 10:39 AM
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A £9 GPB living wage is roughly $13.40 USD. Minimum wage in America is very low and you couldn't call it a real living wage. Washington currently has the highest minimum wage of $9.43. Although high when contrasted with the low wages of Georgia at $5.15, you couldn't call it a living wage unless you consider renting your house and not owning it proper living. There is a huge difference though in professional living when you look at the populations of Britain and the USA percentage-wise with the USA towering over Britain with entry-level menial labor and other unskilled positions.

Britain is different though, being a Kingdom and not a Republic, and a lot of high level positions can be appointed or arranged with salaries or lump sums given to fill whatever duty. Their high living wage is a testament to the manner of how they treat their lower class, giving them a leg to stand on. Because of this immigration is a big problem for genetically English citizens, needing to compete with foreign peoples on their own soil. America was built on immigration so you can't really compare these two countries on those terms.




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