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Social Reformation - Medical, Education, Wealfare, Social Security & Disability

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posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 09:06 PM
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Here is how I would solve the problems with our current social programs.

1. Medical Progams

Single Payer - No need to reinvent the wheel.

2. Education

Our education system is broken. I think a major problem is the number of bureaucratic positions. It seems like publicly funded programs are immune to technological advances.

The redundancy of paperwork positions needs to be eliminated by technology, like it was in Capitalist America. This can be said about virtually every social program.

I am not saying we need to fire anyone, we just need to move these people to where they can actually benefit us. Into the schools so we have more teachers and less bureaucrats. The only reason charter schools are doing well, they have no bureaucrats.

I would also like to see Math become 100% self paced CBT, computer based traing. The AR reading program has been a huge success, lets continue to move what we can to technology. Our future teacher will be hands on everything.

Our teachers will focus on interpersonal skills and the more hands on arts and sciences. Math and English will move to CBT, self pased courses. This way a child doesn't have to be held behind his age group.

3. Socialist work Program / Welfare

I think welfare needs to be turned into a socialist work program. Everyone willing to work deserves employment. But no one should be getting something for nothing.

If the private sector cannot facilitate enough jobs for all, the public sector must fill that gap.

There are homeless, who already get 200 per month in food stamps, who would be willing to work on social programs, cleanup type programs. Some of these men and women have struggled in life, but surely we can love them enough to provide them work when they are motivated.

Hopefully they will earn enough to take of themselves and become proud citizens, choosing to reurn to society. But we don't need to force anyone into a lifestyle that causes them misery. Some people are happier being nomads. If the goal is the pursuit happiness, then we need to provide a path for everyone, even the "factionless", who just can't seem to fit in.

We will use a sliding scale corporate and private tax program to fund the program. The better we do at creating private jobs the more money we get to keep. If we can't create private jobs, the more money we have to share.

A balanced approach to Incintivise growth in the private sector. But allow for enough money to meet the demands of the public sector.

4. Women with Children Welfare

I think that our society can find a way to support a woman for 2 years. And provide daycare after that.

However we cannot simply ignore population and Incintivise having numerous children. Sometimes we need to Reason and Love rationally.
I think if a women needs to ask for public assistance on her third child she has proven herself somewhat irresponsible. I do not think it is unfair to ask a woman who has asked for welfare 3 times to have a tubal ligation. If she finds herself in a stable environment and wanting children again, many options remain open to her. But we need workers not perpetual welfare recipients.

5. Social Security And Disability

We must take better care of the elderly, the disabled and our veterans. I don't care where the money comes from F-in print it already. I am past ashamed of my country for the way these people are treated.


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posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 09:32 PM
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How long can they actually stay on welfare these days?

Here in Japan, it is very difficult to go on welfare, first the family has to take care of you, if impossible, OK, but expect welfare to visit you and yes, they do open the door to your refrigerator. Good system here.



posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 09:36 PM
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a reply to: Isurrender73
okay, just what do you propose we do with all those who are working 40 hours a week now, but still have to rely on social programs to get by? Since well, most adults on those programs are supposedly required to work now and well, many depend on community service just to take care of that requirement. if you want my opinion all requiring the single moms to work did was was make it harder for non-single independent moms to stay gainfully employed since well, they had to at least earn enough to take in a profit after paying out for their child care along with the cost of transportation, clothing, ect.
But it was a big perk for the businesses since it flooded the market with plenty of workers for their low wage jobs!

what we need is wages that will pay for our daily bread!



posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 09:40 PM
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a reply to: Isurrender73

What about (6)

the business/corporate/workforce ?

The stuff that actually generates the funding.




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posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 10:03 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

I agree and have discussed this in a few different thread.

This is about eliminating private banking and public debt, it was in response to Jesse Venturas post.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

This thread talks about a maximum wage and other necessary changes. www.abovetopsecret.com...
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posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 10:06 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Isurrender73

What about (6)

the business/corporate/workforce ?

The stuff that actually generates the funding.





Check the reply above this one.

We are currently supporting a medical industry that costs nearly double per person than all other nations. The money is in the system it is just being distributed poorly.

Add -I answered where the money from the work program would come from.

"We will use a sliding scale corporate and private tax program to fund the program. The better we do at creating private jobs the more money we get to keep. If we can't create private jobs, the more money we have to share."
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posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 11:00 PM
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a reply to: Isurrender73

You will NEVER fix healthcare unless you mandate publicaly posted "prices" for non emergency procedures period. (like by law at any restaurant).

Only then will you get competition and drive prices down.

Currently you have no idea what you are being charged as nothing is posted. You can't shop around for the best deal, use an ap or anything.

Enforced posting of prices by medical code would drive prices down. Just paying what they charge after the fact will just continue the corruption and over-charges.



posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 11:01 PM
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originally posted by: musicismagic
How long can they actually stay on welfare these days?

Here in Japan, it is very difficult to go on welfare, first the family has to take care of you, if impossible, OK, but expect welfare to visit you and yes, they do open the door to your refrigerator. Good system here.


Until the kids are 18 they are eligible for cash aid and food stamps. The adult can receive aid only as long as they are in the welfare to work progam. As long as they remain in the program they get money.

There are women who have babies in their 30s simply to stay on the program.

And adult homeless can receive approximately 200 a month in food stamps for life.
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posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 11:05 PM
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a reply to: infolurker

If we change to a single payer system the rates would be regulated.

Single Payer eliminates the insurance middle man, and sets prices for the various procedures. This is why medical coverage cost less everywhere else.



posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 11:07 PM
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a reply to: Isurrender73

Actually there is a new scam. A "grandmother" can now get paid "foster care" money to take care of her kids off-spring.



posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 11:12 PM
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originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: infolurker

If we change to a single payer system the rates would be regulated.

Single Payer eliminates the insurance middle man, and sets prices for the various procedures. This is why medical coverage cost less everywhere else.


Not really.

I see where you are going kind of and agree to a point.

Like dental insurance, insurance should pay a "posted" payout for a specific non-emergency procedure, doctor visit, etc. You pay the difference. You have a choice if you want to get the $50 doctor visit for free, pay $20 for the $70 office visit a better doctor charges, etc.

Likewise, all healthcare providers should be required by law to post their prices for any specific "code".

You get a diagnosis and need something, you can shop around.

Competition for imaging and services will immediately drop to attract business. With the "pay the difference" model, there will be innovation to lower costs and not just collect the maximum from insurance / Medicaid, whatever.



posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 11:15 PM
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a reply to: infolurker

Example: I recently needed a CT scan for calcium build up in my chest.

If I used my insurance, they were going to charge over 1,500 bucks. I would get stuck with a few hundred bill for my portion with deductible.

I paid cash at another imaging center, cost $170 bucks. go figure.

Posted prices with the freedom to break their "referral" programs and affiliate bullcrap is the way to go.

Look at Lasik Surgery as an example. The price keeps coming down and the quality and precision keeps going up year after year.

Why, because you pay for it yourself and they have to compete against each other. Same principle applies. You can't force a price but you can adjust a specific payout with the customer being charged the difference.

They will get to the lowest price point in order to get the business.
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posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 11:46 PM
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originally posted by: Isurrender73
Here is how I would solve the problems with our current social programs.


4. Women with Children Welfare


I think if a women needs to ask for public assistance on her third child she has proven herself somewhat irresponsible. I do not think it is unfair to ask a woman who has asked for welfare 3 times to have a tubal ligation.


I can't read any part of this with that in there.



posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 11:49 PM
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originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: musicismagic
How long can they actually stay on welfare these days?

Here in Japan, it is very difficult to go on welfare, first the family has to take care of you, if impossible, OK, but expect welfare to visit you and yes, they do open the door to your refrigerator. Good system here.


Until the kids are 18 they are eligible for cash aid and food stamps. The adult can receive aid only as long as they are in the welfare to work progam. As long as they remain in the program they get money.

There are women who have babies in their 30s simply to stay on the program.

And adult homeless can receive approximately 200 a month in food stamps for life.


In the county I live in, cash welfare is given for 4 years. After that, only non-cash programs are available.



posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 11:49 PM
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a reply to: reldra

I call that a good start.



posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 11:55 PM
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a reply to: reldra



4. Women with Children Welfare


I think if a women needs to ask for public assistance on her third child she has proven herself somewhat irresponsible. I do not think it is unfair to ask a woman who has asked for welfare 3 times to have a tubal ligation.



I can't read any part of this with that in there.


I understand this is a sensitive issue but Why?

Do you think women should have 20 children and have social programs to support all 20?

At what point does a woman need to take responsibility? I think the public taking care of three children for a woman who does not provide for herself is enough.

How do we stop women from having children to remain on welfare? We can't stop caring for the children, and taking them away from the mother is a failure.

What other option do you recommend? I am open to suggestions.
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posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 11:57 PM
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a reply to: reldra

So we should stop supporting the children after 4 years because of the parents? Should we take them from thier parents?


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posted on Jul, 9 2015 @ 12:03 AM
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a reply to: infolurker

Or we can regulate the prices of a social program.

We will have economist and health care professionals work together to find the true cost of each procedure. This should not be complicated, it is really just simple math.

Then the price will be set on the cost of the procedure itself plus a small administration fee to run the program.

The medical industry will be asked to cut costs and return a profit to the people each year. Costs of medical procedures are expected to go down each year until our economist and technicians agree that we have hit a price floor on any given procedure.
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posted on Jul, 10 2015 @ 06:10 AM
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Infolurker said it the best

a reply to: Isurrender73

You will NEVER fix healthcare unless you mandate publicaly posted "prices" for non emergency procedures period. (like by law at any restaurant).

Only then will you get competition and drive prices down.

Currently you have no idea what you are being charged as nothing is posted. You can't shop around for the best deal, use an ap or anything.

Enforced posting of prices by medical code would drive prices down. Just paying what they charge after the fact will just continue the corruption and over-charges.



Now, I guess my biggest question to your entire thread is... Why governmental socialist control. The government has already failed with these programs as it is and now we want to give more?

Part of the money could be from dissolving the IRS and actually the state dept of education and let that be up to the states, you that funny thing called states rights.

I'm tired of hearing regulations this and crap being hidden and no one knowing what the hell the law or etc is. Let the market be open, but have a few ground rules,so everyone knows what the other person is paying (showing doctor pricing)

Lol I just love how every point here is a socialist view. Maximum wage? I admit I haven't read about that but it definitely sounds horrible... Way to crush the American Dream. Yes, it will, people don't come here to get to the top living wage, they come here because they can rise up from nothing and become a freaking millionaire (not that the millionaire part is part of the dream but for some it is)

I just hope all these socialists start saying who they are so we can walk away from them. I'm tired of liberals and rhinos alike hiding behind a false name.

Graffik



posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: Isurrender73

Your idea about self pace math course is not going to work for everyone. People like me needs someone to show me how to do the math. I need someone to explain to me and show me how to do the math.




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