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posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 10:19 PM
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a reply to: AbstractDreamz

I still believe you are being intellectually dishonest - you have a problem with it, but you don't have a problem with it - It should be a states rights issue, but you don't care about them having relationships, but your uncle was raped as a child, soooooo all homosexual relationships are because of rape? Or something? Most homosexuals don't have rape in common, but pedophiles do... are you trying to collude homosexuality and pedophilia, as many do? You say it has to do with reproductive issues, but you have no problem with heterosexual relationships that can't result in reproduction because of biological issues (of course love usurps reproductive issues - many relationships prove that, but there are many relationships that break up solely due to fertility issues, is a divorce or annulment more valid due to reproductive issues?.)




posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 10:33 PM
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originally posted by: Syyth007
a reply to: AbstractDreamz

I still believe you are being intellectually dishonest - you have a problem with it, but you don't have a problem with it - It should be a states rights issue, but you don't care about them having relationships, but your uncle was raped as a child, soooooo all homosexual relationships are because of rape? Or something?
I can be OK with something and form an opinion even if I don't agree with it and I can also be friends with people who have a different social/moral/ethical(whatever you want to call it) viewpoint. I don't agree with a lot of people on a lot of issues, but that doesn't mean I can't respect them or their viewpoint and no I just stated that I don't believe all homosexuals are born with a predetermined like of the same-sex.


Most homosexuals don't have rape in common, but pedophiles do... are you trying to collude homosexuality and pedophilia, as many do?
Not at all, refer to above.

You say it has to do with reproductive issues, but you have no problem with heterosexual relationships that can't result in reproduction because of biological issues (of course love usurps reproductive issues - many relationships prove that, but there are many relationships that break up solely due to fertility issues, is a divorce or annulment more valid due to reproductive issues?.)
Simplest terms I can explain this to you. Medical conditions involving fertility aside. A penis and vagina create a baby the natural way with how our bodies are made. It doesnt get any simpler than that. That's how we are made, that's how I believe our species survives, that's how I believe relationships should be. You're muddying the waters with "what-ifs" that don't apply.

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posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 10:38 PM
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You think you know that politician - but I can guarantee you any politician that professes faith is selling you snake oil. They simply know the game, and they're playing it (it's why you won't get many candidates for political office with true dissenting opinion, or true revolutionary vision, as the teachings of Jesus actually taught. Which most "Christians" have no grasp of. Christ spent his time among thieves, criminals, the poor, while most "Christians" have no real interest in the interaction of the poor, but putting on a "Christian" face while accusing any religious dissent as a personal attack against their religious freedom.)

But we all play the game, don't we? We all have fake masks we present to the public, refusing to admit our own foibles, insecurities, dissent? Always afraid of what our neighbor, our fellow, would think of us if we bared our true being? All of our faults and shortcomings? Fear continues to rule us, and continues to bring us down a very dark path... at least in my opinion.



posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 10:45 PM
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originally posted by: Syyth007
You think you know that politician - but I can guarantee you any politician that professes faith is selling you snake oil. They simply know the game, and they're playing it (it's why you won't get many candidates for political office with true dissenting opinion, or true revolutionary vision, as the teachings of Jesus actually taught. Which most "Christians" have no grasp of. Christ spent his time among thieves, criminals, the poor, while most "Christians" have no real interest in the interaction of the poor, but putting on a "Christian" face while accusing any religious dissent as a personal attack against their religious freedom.)

But we all play the game, don't we? We all have fake masks we present to the public, refusing to admit our own foibles, insecurities, dissent? Always afraid of what our neighbor, our fellow, would think of us if we bared our true being? All of our faults and shortcomings? Fear continues to rule us, and continues to bring us down a very dark path... at least in my opinion.


I'm not the person to get into a theological argument because I honestly am not well versed so I will stay out of that. We all play the game? No, not really. I don't have a mask, I grew out of it a long time ago. I am who I am and you can either like me or not, that is your decision, same with my neighbors, friends, family, etc. Want to know my shortcomings, ask. Want to know my fears, ask. I'm honest with everyone I meet even if they don't like my honesty or how I present myself. I've stopped caring what others think about me a long time ago. As long as I am true to my family, friends and neighbors, then I can look in the mirror and deal with any hate someone wants to throw my way.
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posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 10:53 PM
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Okay then. penis + vagina equals baby - Fertility doesn't matter - SEMANTICS matter. That clears up your opinion SO much more. Why does semantics matter? Why is the relationship between an infertile male/female so much more acceptable to you then a male/male/female/female relationship when the results are the same? If you are looking at it from a logical difference, there isn't really any, but looking at it from an established cultural view, there is a huge difference. But no, you are a multi-ethnic, gay friendly "conservative" that just believes it's a state's right issue, but is totally cool with gay relationships.. Yeah, and the left get's tagged for rampant PC behavior...



posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 11:14 PM
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originally posted by: Syyth007
a reply to: AbstractDreamz

Okay then. penis + vagina equals baby - Fertility doesn't matter - SEMANTICS matter. That clears up your opinion SO much more. Why does semantics matter? Why is the relationship between an infertile male/female so much more acceptable to you then a male/male/female/female relationship when the results are the same? If you are looking at it from a logical difference, there isn't really any, but looking at it from an established cultural view, there is a huge difference. But no, you are a multi-ethnic, gay friendly "conservative" that just believes it's a state's right issue, but is totally cool with gay relationships.. Yeah, and the left get's tagged for rampant PC behavior...


Why is that difficult for you to understand? Semantics matter, lets play semantics. If every person on this world could not reproduce, then it wouldn't matter and your argument would be valid. That's not reality, the REALITY is that only a man and women can have a baby. Period, it's FACT and undeniable. A penis and vagina create life, it's a matching pair that creates something of value, life. Penis:anus, penis:mouth, vagina:dildo, vagina:tongue, penis:vagina, tongue:anus...One of these things are not like the other. One can create something of value, while all the others only create personal pleasure. Figure it out.

Call it PC all you want, who the hell are you to tell me about my family, life or beliefs? You wanted an answer as to how I came about my views, I gave you more than enough information with clarity and you still don't get it? Maybe you are a little to self-righteous to believe that there are people out there that can have a different view, respect others and still form an opinion of their own. Your last post comes across as extremely condescending and shows nothing more than how open-minded you truly are.



posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 11:29 PM
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I am only prodding because it seems like you are indecisive, and vague. You say you have tons of gay friends/family members, but disapprove of gay relationships. You aren't religious or culturally influenced, so you have come to this conclusion because penis+vagina = baby, but you have no problem with penis + vagina = no baby, because penis + vagina COULD = baby. Penis + ass could equal baby if that ass was fertile... but it's not... just like that barren vagina/penis, that relationship is invalid in your view. You still haven't answered the "why" other then penis+vagina=baby which is kinda redundant at this point.
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posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 11:37 PM
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originally posted by: Syyth007
I am only prodding because it seems like you are indecisive, and vague. You say you have tons of gay friends/family members, but disapprove of gay relationships. You aren't religious or culturally influenced, so you have come to this conclusion because penis+vagina = baby, but you have no problem with penis + vagina = no baby, because penis + vagina COULD = baby. Penis + ass could equal baby if that ass was fertile... but it's not... just like that barren vagina/penis, that relationship is invalid in your view. You still haven't answered the "why" other then penis+vagina=baby which is kinda redundant at this point.


I don't know how I could be any more straight forward. I've said it already but, penis:anus never biologically is fertile, never was, never will be. The other, while broken is is still the logical companion to the other because biologically for our species to survive those two are the circle peg in the circle hole. The others are all biologically equivalent to sticking a square peg in a round hole, which some may enjoy, it doesn't create, never has, never will.
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posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 11:53 PM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Oh them commie/socialists sure love writing Wiki gibberish, going back to the real Politically Correct thread.


Yep, the REAL thread dominated by REAL AMERICANS, i.e. Republicans/conservatives, right?

Why are Conservatives so intimidated by "wikis" ... I guess it's the preponderance of facts rather than beliefs?

Of course there's "political" correctness on both sides ... but just watch how fast the tighty-righties duck and cover without actually discussing anything.

Like a member's looking at about 1% of the entry and declaring the whole thing false.

Typical.



posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 11:55 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Kali74

What about Conservapedia?


some juicy things there.

Liberal denial

But Liberal PC does have the advantages of the general MSM/Academic/Big3 networks control-complex.



But, but ... it's a wiki so it's false and liberally dominated, right? Didn't y'all just prove that?

/eyeroll



posted on Jul, 9 2015 @ 12:02 AM
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Clear examples:

Speaking out against Republican Presidents is treasonous.

Speaking out against the actions of the State of Israel makes you an anti-Semite.

Speaking out against Christianity or the acts of specific Christians makes you an abusive, anti-god maniac trying to take away their religious freedoms.



posted on Jul, 9 2015 @ 12:04 AM
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And a penis/vagina that is infertile will never equal reproduction, no matter how you cut it, so by your deduction, any relationship they have is invalid - but wait, you infer that because penis+vagina could equal baby it's all right, but by logical deduction, in the "real world" there is no difference between an infertile ass and and infertile vagina/penis/whathaveyou. It's only semantics.



posted on Jul, 9 2015 @ 12:07 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

But, but ... it's a wiki so it's false and liberally dominated, right? Didn't y'all just prove that?

/eyeroll


bigger [eyeroll]


gave plenty of ammo, but the quality must not be enough to argue.

deflect 90-180-270

again, you answer the wrong post
/bigger eyeroll

edit on Jul-09-2015 by xuenchen because: DaaHaHaHa



posted on Jul, 9 2015 @ 12:08 AM
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originally posted by: Syyth007
a reply to: AbstractDreamz

And a penis/vagina that is infertile will never equal reproduction, no matter how you cut it, so by your deduction, any relationship they have is invalid - but wait, you infer that because penis+vagina could equal baby it's all right, but by logical deduction, in the "real world" there is no difference between an infertile ass and and infertile vagina/penis/whathaveyou. It's only semantics.


Sure, run with that. :FACEPALM:



posted on Jul, 9 2015 @ 12:10 AM
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a reply to: AbstractDreamz

Okay! *insert whatever to deflect from answering any question posed*



posted on Jul, 9 2015 @ 12:13 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Gryphon66

But, but ... it's a wiki so it's false and liberally dominated, right? Didn't y'all just prove that?

/eyeroll


bigger [eyeroll]


gave plenty of ammo, but the quality must not be enough to argue.

deflect 90-180-270

again, you answer the wrong post
/bigger eyeroll


You're not making any more sense than usual.

Let me break it down.

Several previous posters noted that "wikis" are all BS and liberal claptrap.

Someone pointed out that Conservapedia is also a wiki.

So you double-down and quote a BS quote about liberals from a conservative "wiki" ... and expect that to be taken seriously?

Then I point that out to you and you respond with ... the silly disjointed mess you posted?

And try to make your "eyeroll" bigger than mine? LOL ... my god.



posted on Jul, 9 2015 @ 12:19 AM
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originally posted by: Syyth007
a reply to: AbstractDreamz

Okay! *insert whatever to deflect from answering any question posed*


I've answered you several times, you didn't like the answer. I'm not going to keep talking to a wall.



posted on Jul, 9 2015 @ 12:32 AM
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So back to the point of the OP.

What astounds me over and over is ... the absolute clarity that many on the right have in regard to the dangers of the left.

It's not just "two ways of looking at it" anymore. Nope, every point, every tenet of the Republican Faith must be accepted.

If you don't, or if you question it, you're a heretic. You're a leftist/progressive/communist/socialist, which of course, all means the same thing.

I don't mind the old conservative core: less government interference in business, we must have a strong military, the middle class is the engine of the economy, personal achievement is better than government handouts, etc. etc.

Then the Religious Right coupled with the Old South took over the party in the 1980s. That was about the only thing I ever agreed with Barry Goldwater about.

But today, with the newest Fox News/Rush/Hannity/Coulter generation, my biggest problem is that they don't even remotely deal with facts and evidence ... much less the truth. They lie, misdirect, diffuse, distract and then, accuse the liberal/progressive/communist/atheist cabal of doing EXACTLY the same thing that they're doing.

Not to put too fine an edge on it, that's my biggest general problem with the general Republican and/or right wing movement: they lie.

It's quite literally an art form.
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posted on Jul, 9 2015 @ 12:38 AM
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a reply to: AbstractDreamz

Your only answer was "penis+vagina=baby" and you refused to answer any question that couldn't be answered with penis+vagina=baby, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, and leave it at that.



posted on Jul, 9 2015 @ 12:40 AM
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Each side is creating a dialogue which, as heavily as possible to bolster their own side, incorporates the idea of PCness. And each side, as it is seen in the US, fights against propped up ideas, and the side whichever, is utilizing their own use of PCness, to attack other PCness. And everything becomes false from the get go.



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