Political correctness scares me .

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Does political correctness have a political preference?

Or do all sides use PC equally?

I heard there were these country music women who spoke out against the Iraq war and were banned by country music channels.

Does that qualify as being politically incorrect?

a reply to: JadeStar

Dixie Chicks

They weren't banned, just businesses who opted not to play their music.

Like Walmart not carrying the confederate flag.

just a business decision.

a reply to: beezzer

We all know that nothing was banned but to be fair, how many times in recent weeks have we all seen somebody say that confederate flags were being "banned?"

The fact of the matter is that the Dixie Chicks "controversy" is a pretty spot on example of the conservative version of political correctness. I bet if we dig up threads about the Duck Dynasty "controversy," "political correctness" is the most common phrase used.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: NihilistSanta

That one really took off, too, if I recall. /sarc

But as I recall, a lot of conservatives thought it was dumb because it never went much further than a few restaurants and the capital café.

A lot of progressives think that things labeled as left wing "political correctness" are dumb too, does that mean that those things are therefore not examples of PC or are there different standards?

a reply to: theantediluvian

I've been chastised repeatedly that just because target or amazon no longer carried the confederate flag, it wasn't banned.

Yet someone calls Dixie Chicks a "ban" and it's alright?

Which is it?

Is what Walmart and the other stores and such PC along with what happened with the Dixie Chicks?

Or was it simply a business decision as you and others have been saying?

Because now I'm confused.

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: ProfessorChaos It is so terrible that Liberals like to stand up for those being picked on and don't like offensive words. We are just a bad, bad group of people.

Sadly it is liberals who tend to spew the most venom in my experience. They just get so mad if you don't agree with them 100%.

Political correctness run amok is just verbal tyranny.

You aren't allowed to say you don't want to be on an airplane with a bunch of young muslim men because that might hurt their feelings. If they blow the plane up...we will all wonder why no one followed the "see something-say something" policy our wonderful government suggested to keep us all safe.

a reply to: beezzer

Be careful, if you trap a liberal with logic they explode...

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Does political correctness have a political preference?

Or do all sides use PC equally?

I heard there were these country music women who spoke out against the Iraq war and were banned by country music channels.

Does that qualify as being politically incorrect?

No I don't believe so. That was a choice by the musical promoters about their own business practices.


But I'm sure the political correct people were on hand to protest the decision .

a reply to: beezzer

No need to be confused because I'm agreeing with you, it's not banning. I was just pointing out that the same hyperbolic language was being used by conservatives in regards to the flag and you confirmed it.

So um, high five for being on the same page?

originally posted by: theantediluvian

A lot of progressives think that things labeled as left wing "political correctness" are dumb too, does that mean that those things are therefore not examples of PC or are there different standards?

A few examples would be helpful for comparison.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: reldra

Yes, you are sooo right. How dare I send my child to school with a brown bag lunch that contains a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? That was terribly racist and offensive of me.

That is a ridiculous statement. Some schools don't allow it because one or more students may have a deadly allergy to it. I never said that was racist. Probably a dumb idea though, being that it risks death and all.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

By all means, attempt to "trap me with logic" because I'll relish the opportunity to disabuse you of your delusions.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Relish is for kids. Man up and use mustard.

a reply to: xuenchen

Sure thing. I'm not afraid of not towing the party line, can you say the same?

How about when people refuse to acknowledge that the bulk of international terrorism is currently being committed by Muslim terrorists out of some fear of offending the other 99% of Muslims or seeming unenlightened?

That's dumb. Your turn.

Well, from the only two answers I received to my "Does PC have a political party?" question, one person said it's primarily a function of liberal thought, and another person was unaware of any PC on the right-wing, or chose not to discuss it, or whatever.

And basically, as the term is generally used in our culture, I'd agree. Starting with David Horowitz's "Academic Bill of Rights" which assigned a leftist/socialist/communist/Marxist designation to all of higher education, followed up by (as someone mentioned earlier) Dinesh D'Souza with his "Illiberal Education" resurrected the term (which had been applied in the 40s and 50s within communist/marxist/etcist. circles.

PC is, in general, used particularly in the right-wing media as a condemnation of just about any idea the Democrats/liberals come forward with. Of particular concern are those terms dealing with racism and sexism (and now gay rights and marriage equality). Even the terminology "the Left" and "leftists" were fairly much coined in those fundamental sources (Horowitz and D'Souza) to link American Democrats and liberals with European "leftists" ... Social Democrats, Socialists, and worst of all Marxists/Communists.

Now, the term is basically just short-hand in order to condemn liberal ideology in this country, with the claim that, ultimately these ideas are anti-American, anti-freedom, anti-patriotism, Communist, Socialist, Marxist, EVIL.

(I realize I'm wasting my virtual breath here, so I'll move on)

If PC means "claiming special priviledges for certain recognizable groups and/or condemning certain kinds of language based on the way it might affect others (both individuals and groups) then yes, there is PLENTY of PC BS on the right-wing side of the world, for example:

To insult or condemn the President of the United States is a treasonous act.

This was just fine with Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity et. al. were going after the Dixie Chicks for saying they were embarrassed by President Bush ... and the right-wing media machine did it's absolute best to DESTROY them for speaking their mind.

To speak out or complain about the State of Israel brands one as an anti-semite.

Our freedom of speech suddenly dries up when negativity about Israel is on the table ... ever noticed?

To complain or speak ones' mind about Christians or Christianity is to mount an unfair and unprovoked attack.

Even though about 70-80% of Americans poll as Christian, somehow, there is always a clear and present danger that Christians are going to be mistreated, locked up, have their religious rights taken away, or, more in the spirit of true PC, just get their feelings hurt because they didn't like the way someone said something to them, et. al.

The word attack has been redefined to mean "don't say anything I don't like."

This one speaks for itself on multiple levels.

Words and Phrases Redefined

"Hard-working Americans" = Republican Voters
"The Real America" = Republican Voters
"True American Values" = Republican Party Platform
"Socialism" = Any government funded health programs, benefit programs, etc. Social safety net, etc.


Etc. etc.

Now, I will be the first to note that there is a great deal of academic thought that has gone over what I consider the deep-end. Almost all of "Identity Politics" is insane. The idea that minorities can't be racist is pure BS. And yes, to think that anything at all that is negative (whether factual or not) about women, Blacks, gays, Lesbians, Jews or any other minority is racist, sexist, homophobic or bigoted ... is crazy.

Just like claiming that Christians and Israel and Republican Presidents can't be criticised or you're anti-religious, anti-semitic and anti-American.



TL

L There is political correctness on all sides of the American political spectrum.

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: AbstractDreamz
Political correctness makes America 1939 Germany. As cliché' as that sounds, the only thing that really separates us from the rest of the world is that we aren't punished for our thoughts and opinions. When PC starts demanding how we think and what is right or wrong, then we are truly in trouble and to me, we aren't far off.

Yes and political correctness is the religion of the far left.
They become so upset if one uses any term "they" consider offensive, you'd think someone had insulted their God.
You know it has become a God when people like Climate Change worshipers demand jail time or death for those who disagree with them.

The God of the far left liberal,progressive,socialist Democrats
is intolerance; for those who dare to think incorrect thoughts
is judgmental; for those who dare to speak incorrect thoughts
is bigoted; in that people are insulted in groups
(ie the much repeated on ATS: Christians are...awful.....)
is filled with self righteous prejudice
(everything we believe is the one and only thing that everyone must believe and agree with; or else)
is filled with open contempt and revenge (hateful emails and death threats sent en-mass to those who dare to disagree)

This is all so backwards, it's as if the water has been poisoned. Be upset that people are treated badly the the people responsible for the bad treatment are suddenly victims. To stand up for those oppressed suddenly turns the country into 1939 Germany.

I have always thought that people who talk like bigots are bigoted. I have always thought that people that are intolerant of others are judgemental. The loud Christians who proclaim they are being persecuted for being jerks make good Christians look bad.

Oh now PC only applies to 'protected' classes.

Now if your a banker, a corporate owner, a gun owner, and want to drive a big bad suv ?

Your fair game.

PC exposes epic cognitive dissonance.

Much like ALL American politics.

It is just full of snip with a capitol S.

Edit;


Nevermind

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Does political correctness have a political preference?

Or do all sides use PC equally?

I heard there were these country music women who spoke out against the Iraq war and were banned by country music channels.

Does that qualify as being politically incorrect?

Pretty clear to me. Probably not to others here.