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originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: ketsuko
You just admitted that marriage already existed and thus is not the sole province of christianity.
I never said it was, but just because you say it's one thing does not give you the power to define it for everybody. I thought that was the reasoning behind this fight to begin with?
If your reasoning to take up the fight was sound, then it's still true, and if it was unfair for us to force you to comply, then it is equally unfair for you to force those of us who disagree to comply.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Gryphon66
Just because you can't read punctuation ...
You probably have trouble interpreting the 2nd Amendment too.
Please. I read punctuation fine. You actively misrepresented what your bible says.
If not quote Genesis, quote Matthew, quote anything else and show where the text says "And God said _____" or "And Jesus said ______" with the blank being "marriage is between a man and a woman only."
You can't. You know you can't. And that's why you're desperately trying to throw up the 2nd Amendment as a smoke screen.
That's pretty desperate.
It's easy to resolve this. Just quote your bible. Show us where your god said what marriage is or where Jesus said what marriage is. Not your interpretation, not your church's interpretation ... just the text ... just the Word.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Gryphon66
And yet, doctors and pharmacists have had the right to conscientiously object when it comes to the sale of certain drugs and the performance of certain medical procedures for a long time and no one thinks anything of it.
Can you point us to the part where Jesus says "But no queers!"
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Gryphon66
Just because you can't read punctuation ...
You probably have trouble interpreting the 2nd Amendment too.
Please. I read punctuation fine. You actively misrepresented what your bible says.
If not quote Genesis, quote Matthew, quote anything else and show where the text says "And God said _____" or "And Jesus said ______" with the blank being "marriage is between a man and a woman only."
You can't. You know you can't. And that's why you're desperately trying to throw up the 2nd Amendment as a smoke screen.
That's pretty desperate.
It's easy to resolve this. Just quote your bible. Show us where your god said what marriage is or where Jesus said what marriage is. Not your interpretation, not your church's interpretation ... just the text ... just the Word.
“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
This is what Jesus says in reply to the Pharisees he is talking about Genesis.
We see "he replied" and we see "and said" in the text. Who said? Please explain that to me. Who said in that quote.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: ketsuko
You just admitted that marriage already existed and thus is not the sole province of christianity.
I never said it was, but just because you say it's one thing does not give you the power to define it for everybody. I thought that was the reasoning behind this fight to begin with?
If your reasoning to take up the fight was sound, then it's still true, and if it was unfair for us to force you to comply, then it is equally unfair for you to force those of us who disagree to comply.
Bolded text for emphasis:
My rebuttal: And what then, gives Christians the power to define what it is?
Is the cake part of the ceremony? If the cake is part of the ceremony, the baker feels he is participating.
21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
23 The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”
24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.
25 Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.
Oregon Labor Commission Brad Avakian did, in fact, issue this order (pdf), concluding that Sweet Cakes was guilty of discrimination and ordering the owners to pay $135,000 in damages. As part of the findings, Avakian noted that the owners had made clear that they intend to continue to discriminate going forward.