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Armenians have lost faith in Russia

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posted on Jul, 6 2015 @ 01:32 AM
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My grandfather was full Armenian. He was born in 1900 on the Turkish side of Ararat. His great uncle was the Minister of Finance for Turkey, even though being Armenian. His Grandmother was like a princess or something according to my 86 yr old aunt. We left in 1910 after Turkish soldiers disguised themselves and snuck into our city. They burned down the college, they burned down the Church and murdered the missionaries.




posted on Jul, 6 2015 @ 04:04 AM
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originally posted by: EA006
It's scheduled for 2017 it seems. It would be easier all round for big business if it went straight through Armenia.


Yes, and in the future gas prices will be more expensive for Europe. As who else will have to pay for the pipelines, if not the customer. This will further derail Europe as the worlds primary area, for the benefit of the US.

However, the US and their allies can always be expected to do what they want to do ... to up their business. You can't expect them to do anything else, except what is in their own interest.

Russians are decadent and war worn, they SHOULD go to war ... even a nuclear one, for that. But they're just too tired to be willing to put anything on the line. And therefore, the rats play around in the kitchen. Instead of "fighting" and providing good deals, and lower oil/gas prices. And the will to back it up with fire power, if need be ... like a truly leading power would. They just shrink away and leave everyone else to the problem. You can't really blame the US, for taking the opportunity that Russians indecisiveness provides it with, now can you.

Putin has been way too long at the power helm, he should have the intellect to leave ... not wait, until Russias enemies have created enough chaos around, to have another "Yieltsin" puppet take power.



posted on Jul, 6 2015 @ 11:20 AM
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originally posted by: PredatorCrackling
a reply to: Xcathdra

You do realise that Putin has 40 brand new nukes

And here you are writing about Armenia and electrical prices from Russia

If I wanted to bash Russia I would focus on bigger stuff.


No he doesn't.. Don't you do any research or do you just make claims in hopes people are just as ignorant as the person making the claims?

They ordered up to 40 more.

As for bashing Russia no one is and I seriously doubt you would hold Russia accountable for anything they have done. Whats next, you trying to argue the Katyn massacre was done by the Nazis?



posted on Jul, 6 2015 @ 01:11 PM
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a reply to: the2ofusr1




would crush that Russian backed enclave that both Armenia and Azerbaijan claim.

Nagorno-Karabach is a real pain for Russia. Historically it belonged to Armenia, but due to immigration of Azeris it become something like Kosovo. Russians backed Armenia in this conflict and it was a huge disaster, from the point of "real politics" they would better of to let Azeris win that war against Armenia. Nagorno-Karabach did a lot of damage during USSR last years, shame Russians didn't learn the lessons. Very few will remember that Russia saved Armenia, Russia itself have nothing to gain from whether Nagorno-Karabach will be Armenian or Azeri. More articles from the likes of Richard Giragosian and Russia will abandon Armenia. Let American Armenians to foot the bill and fight for their Artzah (Nagorn-Karabach)



posted on Jul, 6 2015 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: kitzik




More articles from the likes of Richard Giragosian and Russia will abandon Armenia. Let American Armenians to foot the bill and fight for their Artzah (Nagorn-Karabach)


Armenia needs Russia more than the other way round.

However, Russia cannot afford to "abandon" Armenia either.

Regarding the episode of mass killing done by Russian soldier, proper justice and compensation needs to be made for the victims. An American soldier who killed several Afghani civilians has been given the death penalty (or something very severe like Life without parole).

Russia should also not give weapons to Armenia's enemies, especially when they are used against Yeveran forces. That logic makes not sense and taunts an allied nation in a cruel manner.



posted on Jul, 6 2015 @ 05:25 PM
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a reply to: victor7




However, Russia cannot afford to "abandon" Armenia either.


Russia should disengage from Armenia and sell weapons to both or whoever paying more. Armenia and Azerbajan if they want they can kill each other so long as US starts bombing one of them to introduce democracy. Idk, which country it will be Armenia or Azerbajan, and honestly I don't care.

I also don't care if USA will employ Saakashvili as a governor in Armenia or Azerbajan and USA will start paying for police forces there
www.facebook.com...

USA is printing dollars, not Russia.
edit on 6-7-2015 by kitzik because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 6 2015 @ 05:38 PM
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a reply to: kitzik

Russia is selling weapons to both in addition to having a security compact with Armenia.

Its one of the reasons Armenia is not happy as Russias actions violate the security compact.



posted on Jul, 6 2015 @ 05:45 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra




Russia is selling weapons to both in addition to having a security compact with Armenia.


If it is true and I don't know if it is. This is another sign of Russian stupidity to sell bullets which are aimed at your soldiers.
As I said, Russia doesn't have a stake in this conflict, all previous history should be forgotten, Armenians can care for themselves, besides they have a rich lobby in USA. One more or less pipeline of oil competing with Russian is not worth it. Russia need to invest in high technology or it is toast.



posted on Jul, 6 2015 @ 06:00 PM
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a reply to: kitzik

Armenia and Russia are allies in the CSTO while Azerbaijan is not a member.

Its one of several reasons Armenia is pissed at Russia right now.

Russians actions really don't make any sense to me in this area.



posted on Jul, 6 2015 @ 06:24 PM
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a reply to: kitzik




This is another sign of Russian stupidity to sell bullets which are aimed at your soldiers.


This is an age old traits of Russian culture

Abuse, haze, exploits subordinates and treat them with contempt and disrespect. Same holds true to allied nations and especially those on the near border like Armenia.




Russia need to invest in high technology or it is toast.


The first high technology Russia needs to invest in is to find out ways to stop the "corruption capital" from fleeing the country. Once that capital stays at home then there will be lots of money to invest into technologies and other industries.



posted on Jul, 6 2015 @ 06:28 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Ok Armenian press answering




Russian betrayals

Russia does not, of course, want Azerbaijan (or Turkey) to overrun Armenia. That would create a pan-Turkic corridor from Turkey to Azerbaijan. The U.S. and NATO would use it to dominate the Caucasus, Caspian Sea, and probably Turkic Central Asia.

Artsakh is a different matter. It has no military agreements with Russia. Indeed, Moscow might not care if Azerbaijan overran Artsakh since that, by itself, would not create a pan-Turkic corridor.

Russia might even want a new Artsakh war if it crippled Azerbaijan’s energy infrastructure and destroyed its gas and oil pipelines that lie just north of Artsakh’s borders. Or, depending on what Baku gives Moscow in return, Russia could even help Azerbaijan defeat Artsakh.

After all, post-World War I, Soviet Russia gave Artsakh and Nakhichevan to Azerbaijan, handed Armenian territory to Turkey, and delivered weapons to Turkish forces under Kemal Ataturk.

Turkey later turned against Russia and eventually joined NATO, while Azeris remained hostile to Moscow. Azeris and Turks outsmarted the Russians.

Nevertheless, arms sales to Azerbaijan and Moscow’s massive trade and natural gas deals with Turkey remind Armenians of past Russian betrayals.

armenianweekly.com...


They seems to be delusional. After ww1 Russian Empire and Turkish Empire collapsed, no anti-armenian plot there.
I say if they think Russia betrayed them, let's disengage and see how Armenia survives lol

They think that Russia is worried about "Armenia overrun" - what a manipulators. I want to see this Nato aggressive action lol Gone are the days when those small nations could manipulate Russian people to fight for them.
As for OSCD Russia don't need such allies. They will not help if Nato will attack Russia. Only "dead hand", "perimeter" and own ballistic missile defence shield matters.

Well, some Armenians understand situation better



To all Russophobes,

The problem with your kind (and I know your kind very well) is that you simply don’t know how to be critical in a “constructive” sense. [you are Armenian after all] All you and your kind do is spread Russophobia without ever putting things you talk about into a proper historical and geopolitical context. Your kind was until very recently very pro-West, pro-American. It had to take the Libya, Syria, Iraq, Ukraine you wake your kind up from your deep stupor. If God forbid Russopbobia EVER goes mainstream in Armenia, the country will simply disappear. If Russians somehow turn against Armenians, not even a million of your Dashnak “warriors” would be able to save Armenia. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to realize any of this, but you do have to have a clear mind. Sadly, most Armenians are too engulfed in their petty world and too distracted by their massive arrogance to see things clearly.

Anyway, you people remind me of the cat that looked in the mirror and saw a lion. God forbid this delusional Cat (i.e. the Armenia that exists in your mind) goes out to play in the real world where hungry wolves roam. God forbid this Cat goes out into the world without the Bear watching after it. The Cat lives today because the Bear has driven the Wolves away from the area where the Cat lives. You people seriously need to stop your foolish “fedayee” nonsense. That fedayee stuff works only against backward peasants (like the Azeris in the early 1990s). The geopolitical circumstances of the region within which Armenia unfortunately finds itself in dictates that we Armenians will be subordinate to Russia. THERE ARE NO ALTERNATIVES TO THIS. At least be happy that a neighboring superpower looks at Armenia as an asset and not a nuisance. So, instead of complaining like old women (which is what your kind does best), figure out a way to better lobby Armenian matters in Moscow. In other words, take advantage of the situation Russia’s alliance with Armenia is providing us.

PS: None of you have been able to name one thing that Russians, as a nation, have done against Armenia. Once more, for the hard of hearing: Bolshevism was more destructive to Russia than to Armenia. Bolshevism through the 1920s was almost exclusively a none-Russian political system. For over two hundred years Armenia has lived because of Russia. Had Russia not come down to the south Caucasus in the early 19th century – and stayed – all of us would still be making a living herding goats or making donkey saddles somewhere in eastern Turkey or northern Iran. Wake up.


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posted on Jul, 7 2015 @ 12:28 AM
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a reply to: bjarneorn




Russians are decadent and war worn, they SHOULD go to war ... even a nuclear one, for that.


Why are you wishing for a war and with whom? Real enemies of Russia are well within its borders.

I suspect that you are counting on the patriotic spirit/zeal that any nation develops during the war...........however, real preparations for war are done in the peace time and good preparations negate the need for "ferocious" reactionary efforts from the populations.........once the war actually begins.

Being drunk and idle during the peacetimes brings on weakness............and weakness invites aggression from hostile elements.



posted on Jul, 8 2015 @ 01:21 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

this is really awful, this needs so much attention and yet its not largely reported.



posted on Jul, 10 2015 @ 02:31 AM
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originally posted by: MrSpad
Armenia has sniffed around the EU and NATO before but, they have one big problem with leaving. Azerbaijan along with its good buddies Turkey and Georgia would crush that Russian backed enclave that both Armenia and Azerbaijan claim. Frankly unless they can settle that they simply can not afford to leave Russia no matter what. Then again being tied to Russia ls like trying to swim across a lake a with rock tied to your leg.


I think it's more like trying to swim across a lake tied to an autistic bear's leg.

Everybody thinks Putin is such a strategic genius, but look at the results. His bestest buddies are

a) a genocidal Mideastern dictator who bombs his own people as punshment (and because they're easier) instead of actually fighting genocidal religious fanatics in their HQ in his own country.

b) thuggish rebels who were incompetent enough to shoot down a civilian airliner immediately after given fancy weaponry.

c) Iranian Ayatollahs who also managed to piss off most of their neighbors.

Anybody else?

Oh yeah, America-hating keyboard warriors.

Even Belarus (!!!!) is getting annoyed.

At least the Chinese have the good sense to BRIBE the poor countries they work with (and the checks don't bounce).



posted on Jul, 10 2015 @ 03:09 AM
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Another trash Russia thread by the same members, talking about countries they never been or tried to understand instead spend their days finding faults with them with vast amount of knowledge drawn from bbc and fox news. Its almost comical now, keyboard warriors.



posted on Jul, 10 2015 @ 03:34 AM
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Armenia needs Russia or a least another Christian based nation , it is predominantly Christian and is surrounded by Muslim nations . In fact Armenia is the worlds first Christian nation .



Kingdom of Armenia
Christianity began to spread in Armenia soon after Jesus' death, due to the efforts of two of his apostles, St. Thaddeus and St. Bartholomew. In the early 4th century, the Kingdom of Armenia became the first state to adopt Christianity as a state religion.


How do i know this .My workmate is a Russian Armenian and he told me this fact today . Also as i had seen this thread prior i asked him about the relations between the 2 countries and he said all is good .

BTW he has at the moment 30 plus relations out for a wedding from both countries so i am thinking he has his finger on the pulse .



posted on Jul, 10 2015 @ 04:45 AM
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People need to see why Russia does not like the west much, most of Russian history concerns 'the west' invading from the west, the word 'Russia' is a derivative of the word 'Russ' meaning what we call Vikings, Russia has been invaded by the Vikings, the Swedes, (hence blonde Ukrainians), the Poles, the french, the Teutonic knights, the Germans, twice, Mongol's, Tartars.
So the Russians want as many 'buffer states' between itself and 'the west' as it can get, that fear of invasion must be genetic by now.



posted on Jul, 10 2015 @ 11:43 AM
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People need to see why Russia does not like the west much


Russians do like the west and more so after communism deprived them of basic human needs in society for 70 years. USSR was a jailhouse in many a sense. Then came the rampant inefficient form of capitalism well studded with crime and corruption. That doused the hopes if majority of Russians as to "if" their future is with free market system or not.

To further aggravate the hopelessness, the West/NATO applied various hostile designs on Russia in the geopolitical theaters. Russia had openly drawn lines to where NATO could expand and thus reacted forcefully once NATO tried tricks in Georgia and then Ukraine.

Western policies think that by applying constant pressures of various kinds they will over power Russia without even fighting a war. That is several hundreds years old ambition of the AngloSaxon powers to overpower Russia and get Global Domination in all spheres. Time and again they have failed but cost to Russia has also been very cruel and immense.

In nearly all the instances of Western attacks on Russia it can be seen that Russians due to their internal mismanagement and carelessness have invited the aggression. Internal culture clean is up is required. Lifestyles on the lines of Tsarism, Communism, corrupt Socialism etc. need to be abandoned in an effective manner.



posted on Jul, 10 2015 @ 12:54 PM
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posted on Jul, 10 2015 @ 02:35 PM
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Another trash Russia thread by the same members, talking about countries they never been or tried to understand instead spend their days finding faults with them with vast amount of knowledge drawn from bbc and fox news. Its almost comical now, keyboard warriors.


And yet nothing even related to the topic at hand...very telling indeed.

You do know that you can research and understand a country without having to go there...althoiugh it would be great if one could.

Just out of curiosity...

No human has ever been to Mars, yet we actually know a good bit about it...so why can't someone learn about another country without actually having to go there?

Sorry for the off topic question, but I had to ask.

As for this being a bash Russia thread...

Can you refute anything that was posted concerning Russia and what they are doing, or is this one of those replies that don't like to see Russia shown in a bad lite?




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