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originally posted by: thinline
Most of the Lefts, rights are privileges. Its easy to tell a right from a privilege. A true right does not come at a certain age. If marriage was a right, then two 13 year old should be able to do it.
originally posted by: Moresby
The difference between a right and a privilege is a legal matter.
Thus, rights, are much harder to take away.
Smoking is a privilege. And it took a long time, but now you basically cannot smoke anywhere.
In the US, owning a gun is a right. People have been trying to infringe on that right for longer than they've battled smoking. But gun ownerships is higher than ever. And most attempts to infringe that right have failed.
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
If the right had their way, companies and corporations would be completely unregulated and would abuse the worker much like we saw prior to the worker's revolts in the early 20th and late 19th century.
Social contract arguments typically posit that individuals have consented, either explicitly or tacitly, to surrender some of their freedoms and submit to the authority of the ruler or magistrate (or to the decision of a majority), in exchange for protection of their remaining rights.
Thomas Hobbes famously said that in the "state of nature", human life would be "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short". In the absence of political order and law, everyone would have unlimited natural freedoms, including the "right to all things" and thus the freedom to plunder, rape, and murder; there would be an endless "war of all against all" (bellum omnium contra omnes). To avoid this, free men contract with each other to establish political community i.e. civil society through a social contract in which they all gain security in return for subjecting themselves to an absolute Sovereign, one man or an assembly of men.
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
If the right had their way, companies and corporations would be completely unregulated and would abuse the worker much like we saw prior to the worker's revolts in the early 20th and late 19th century.
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: seeker1963
In a way they balance each other out. If you go to far to the left you get Stalin. If you go to far to the right you get Hitler, and each of those are pretty similar in a lot of ways. It's actually not a spectrum, but a circle.
We need each side to balance the other. Each one gives perspective.
The conservatives keep the liberals from marching ahead to fast, and the liberals help push the conservatives forward and not stagnate. Despite how much both sides "hate" each other, they really do need each other.
originally posted by: thinline
Most of the Lefts, rights are privileges. Its easy to tell a right from a privilege. A true right does not come at a certain age. If marriage was a right, then two 13 year old should be able to do it. Especially if you think a 13 year old boy can "know" he's a girl. I don't see how one can "know" they are a girl yet don't really fully understand that they "know", that they are truly madly deeply in love and want to get married.
On the flip side life: When is life a privilege vs when is it a right. On the Right, its a right. One can do something to forfeit their right to life but until then, that life if your right. On the Left, life starts when the state recognizes it starts.