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originally posted by: Boscowashisnamo
a reply to: TheNobleCasserole
Gun violence matters a great deal to those with an agenda or Politicos who use their status to sway those on the fence, or simply people to lazy to research the topic. I have delved into research on both sides of the discussion, and come away with a basic factoid: gun sales have risen, ownership appears to be increasing, and the crime rate has been in decline since the early 90's.
originally posted by: TheNobleCasserole
I'd like you to just open your mind to a few things that I will say, gun issues in america are talked about a lot, but that doesn't mean they are important. In america media is used to publicize terror and eye-catching news, not so much the important stuff,lets say you saw a headline that said "27 dead, 18 children" you undoubtedly thought that was horrible. On the other hand a crazy man with a gun could have ran into a cafeteria and before he could shoot he was shot by someone else. If no one else had a gun then there would be a cafeteria full of dead people. This is a fictitious situation, but it illustrates a simple point; Guns stop violence, just as they cause it. The reason you don't see this is simple "Entire cafeteria is killed" is a better headline and certainly more eye-catching than "Man with gun shoots man with gun", the news isn't around to inform you they are here to make money and the shocking titles win out every time. It is like clickbait, make it sound interesting or important and people will be deceived into thinking it is. You won't see articles, news reports or newspapers telling people of how many people were saved because of guns, only the opposite.
If your primary reason for banning guns is because they cause death then you are lying to yourself, or you haven't done the research. In america, the gun is one of the smallest offenders when it comes to death toll. Do you care about guns? or do you care about lives? If you care for the lives then you wouldn't care about gun laws, because the death toll is insignificant(calculations below). Anyone who tries to ban guns and then says their primary motivation for supporting anti gun laws is saving lives is a liar, if saving lives is your primary motivation then you would realize that guns cause a small amount of deaths and that you should look at larger killers. Need an example? Preventable medical malpractice kills over 500 per day, if every shooting in the US had a death toll of 50 then you'd need 10 mass shootings a day to even get close.
Calculations and sources:
First of all the US has about 318,892,103 (July 2014 est.) living in it according to CIA.gov, the death rate per 1000 people is 8.15(also CIA.gov). Now for the math,
318,892,103 divided by 1000 equals 318892,
318892 X 8.15 equals = 2614914.4
That's 2614914.4 deaths annually
Divide it by 365 and you get 7164
This means that every day 7164 people die in the US. This is an estimation, but it is completely based on statistics. Now the shooting you saw on TV had 27 deaths, this is hardly even a footnote for the day, not even noticeable. So why is it that we talk about it so much? The sandy hook shooting actually had the president making speeches about gun laws, when the death count was minuscule.
Now if I go onto FBI.gov and look at the crime statistics there is a section called "Murder and non-negligent manslaughter" this includes all gun deaths and more. The total for the year of 2011 was 14,612, 14,612 divided by 365 is 40.
So all Murder and non-negligent manslaughter crimes cause 40 deaths per day, now 7000 divided by 40 = 175.
Do you understand what that means? Murder and non-negligent manslaughter crimes make up 1/175th of total deaths per day. That is 1 over 175, if you do the calculation of 1 over 175 you get 0.5714%.
That is correct, all Murder and non-negligent manslaughter crimes make up 0.5714% of the daily death toll.
(Sorry for poor grammar and sorry if I came across rudely)
originally posted by: kayej1188
So, in 2014 there were 32,251 gun-related deaths in america. Does this not worry you, that this number has just about tripled since 2011?