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Why do people hate Christians?

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posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 07:27 AM
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Why do you ask why the world hates Christian, Ryan? Christ said this would be the case and gave the reason. Don't you trust His words?




posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 10:15 AM
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No, this is a very very crude interpretation of something in the bible.

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In fact, this post surely has to be a joke? Since when did the bible, even though re-written by churches and kings throughout history, ever contain the message "to kill"? Appalling...

Originally posted by mysticshadow

Originally posted by shaunybaby
You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesnft greceiveh the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11


Is this seriously in the bible? I am not christian so I wouldn't know.


[edit on 6-1-2005 by paranoia]



posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by mysticshadow

Is this seriously in the bible? I am not christian so I wouldn't know.


Technically, yes. It is, however, taken VASTLY out of context, but that doesn't matter to people trying to make a point. I'm going to put together a post putting all those verses into context, but I need to get the web back at home since I don't have a full Bible here at work and most of the things referenced are Old Testament.

In order to have freedom from religion, we have to remove religion. Are you such hypocrites that you're willing to destroy cultures that fit into your culture while at the same time decrying people for trying to remove cultures that directly disagree with their own? Kind of a "As long as you agree with me, I'll defend your right to free speech." Sorry, I'm one of those folks who thinks, "though I may disagree with what you say, I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Ironic that it's usually those labled as "intollerant" that fall into that second category and those that are the tolerant, open minded people who fall into the first category.



posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 10:29 AM
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I don't hate them but get very annoyed with them. If they would just leave other people and matters alone and mind their business I could care less what they do.

Every sunday morning I have to put up with religion on tv. Whats up with that? Another way to force the word on people. Guess what? I don't want your words forced on me! I live my life and don't need any of you to live it for me.



posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by I See You
Every sunday morning I have to put up with religion on tv. Whats up with that? Another way to force the word on people. Guess what? I don't want your words forced on me! I live my life and don't need any of you to live it for me.


And every Monday through Saturday all that's on is secular television. Guess what? I don't want that forced upon me, either! What about my rights? You're upset that Sunday morning you have (do you really have to?) to watch Christian television. Well, what if I didn't want to see Janet Jackson's tit? What if I don't want to see a bunch of guys getting drunk with an implication that they're going to get laid because of the beer they're drinking, I just want to watch a football game? The Christians aren't the only ones forcing their morals on people. We're just not doing it through the law and through activist, legislative judges.



posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by paranoia
No, this is a very very crude interpretation of something in the bible.
In fact, this post surely has to be a joke? Since when did the bible, even though re-written by churches and kings throughout history, ever contain the message "to kill"? Appalling...


if you don't think your bible even has the word kill in then maybe you should look again. in one case it says if someone tried to persuade you from your beliefs in christ then stone them, be the first to stone them to death. thats from deuteronomy. appaling?? i dont think so...read your bible again and you will find in many cases that your religion wants your to kill others who dont believe in what you believe. this was taken literaly during the crusades around 1200. hence when the cathers were slaughtered by christians. like it or not your inspired word of god bible is centred around destruction, murder, hate, anger etc.

those quotes i put arent the exact words, however that is the jist of the quote. rather than putting do not worship any other god than unto me, then surely that person shall be cast in to death etc etc...sometimes its just best to simplify things


[edit on 6-1-2005 by shaunybaby]



posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 11:54 AM
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I couldn't disagree with you more. Firsty it is not "my bible" - im not a Christian and I don't follow the teachings of that religion. Secondly it is so very dangerous to take literal meanings from The Bible, and just as dangerous to interpret things the way you see fit. On top of this it is also dangerous to rely on something that has been re written so many times by people throughout the ages to suit their method of ruling society at that paticular time.
The worst peice of advice i have heard so far is it being best to simplify things. That's appalling. With that mentality lets just simplify it further and "Kill ALL" who we feel are not Christian or who are sinners.



posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 12:17 PM
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well that is the teachings of those quotes...kill all who apose you and who do not uphold the christian god. thats not putting it in simple terms either...that is what the message there is. its the same way as people used to live aswell. now we have more sense that to take the bible literaly, and that prays aren't going to help...we have science and we have power...not religion and prayer.



posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by junglejake

Originally posted by I See You
Every sunday morning I have to put up with religion on tv. Whats up with that? Another way to force the word on people. Guess what? I don't want your words forced on me! I live my life and don't need any of you to live it for me.


And every Monday through Saturday all that's on is secular television. Guess what? I don't want that forced upon me, either! What about my rights? You're upset that Sunday morning you have (do you really have to?) to watch Christian television. Well, what if I didn't want to see Janet Jackson's tit? What if I don't want to see a bunch of guys getting drunk with an implication that they're going to get laid because of the beer they're drinking, I just want to watch a football game? The Christians aren't the only ones forcing their morals on people. We're just not doing it through the law and through activist, legislative judges.



I don't watch tv on sunday mornings for that fact. How would you feel if athiests had all of monday morning and islam had all of tuesday mornings and so on throughout the week? You would feel pretty damn upset that someone is walking your back. Fair is fair. Preach in church and in your home, not to others that not need it.

Pretty sad that you have to turn your religion into and advertisement to get people to follow. It's all over the place.

[edit on 6-1-2005 by I See You]



posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 01:56 PM
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"Whoever sacrifices to any god, save to the LORD only, shall be utterly destroyed. Exodus 22:20 (NSV) Now, yall know, I suspect, that Christians believe we all have souls. How could MAN utterly destroy any other human? We could destroy the physical body, but not the spiritual body. In order to utterly destroy someone, you need to take out everything they are, including soul. The Hebrews didnt have the ability to do so however many thousands of years ago Exodus was written, and we still dont today. This is a law thats enforced by God alone.

6 "If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,' which neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 some of the gods of the peoples that are round about you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, 8 you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him; 9 but you shall kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Deuteronomy 13:6-10 At the time of this, God had commanded the Jews to go into the land of Canaan and slaughter all of them to maintain their own culture without outside influences. Note, this was before the coming of Christ. Since He came along with another covenant, the separate mentality of the Hebrews was removed. We are to go out to those who draw us away from the Lord our God and share the truth with them. This is the Great Commission. This no longer holds true, now. This applies with all of Deuteronomy. The Bible is segmented into two sections just as our calendar is segmented into two sections, and both are segmented based on the same event: the coming of Christ. A lot of the rules which applied in Old Testament times were shattered with the coming of the Messiah. He established a new covenant with his people based on love for one another rather than maintaining distance and separateness from one another.

And H said to them, "Where you enter a house, stay there until you leave the place. 11 And if any place will not receive you and they refuse to hear you, when you leave, shake off the dust that is on your feet for a testimony against them." Mark 6:11


(Originally quoted by shaunybaby: Any city that doesnt receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah)


Ahh, now we get into the New Testament, the current covenant God has with us. Now, Shaunybaby would have you believe that the Bible states that if a city doesnt receive followers of Christ, were going to go medieval on their patchouli stink. Shaking the dust from your feet as you leave their city as a testimony against them is a little different than raining fire and sulfur on the whole city. This passage, these words Jesus speaks, in my interpretation is letting us know that there will be times when we should move on, and give up on someone. There are lost causes out there, and we need to accept that and move on.



posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by I See You
I don't watch tv on sunday mornings for that fact. How would you feel if athiests had all of monday morning and islam had all of tuesday mornings and so on throughout the week? You would feel pretty damn upset that someone is walking your back. Fair is fair. Preach in church and in your home, not to others that not need it.

Pretty sad that you have to turn your religion into and advertisement to get people to follow. It's all over the place.

[edit on 6-1-2005 by I See You]


For 6 and a half out of every seven days, athiests have all programming with a very rare exception. So now try putting yourself into my shoes in that respect. You get really upset on Sunday mornings. Thankfully I don't get upset Sunday afternoon through Saturday night, but were I to feel the way you do, I probably would.

As far as advertising a religion, how would you suggest it be known? Everyone sit at home and think really hard until the story pops into someone head somewhere else? I find it really sad that people are so upset that a choice is being presented to them. This is our story, you can choose to believe it or not. Yet y'all are really upset that we're even sharing our story. Ignorance is bliss?



posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 02:29 PM
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Yes ignorance is bliss! Try not being so ignorant about everything else but religion.


How is it that athiests have the rest of the week? Every show on tv mentions god. Are you too hard headed to see that. It's advertised all over. Keep it in church because your not giving people a choice your forcing it.

[edit on 6-1-2005 by I See You]



posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by I See You
Yes ignorance is bliss! Try not being so ignorant about everything else but religion.

Check out some of my other posts. I like to play around in the science and tech area, too. And politics. I definately am ignorant to 99.99999% of the knowlege out there, but I don't think I'm as ignorant as many.



How is it that athiests have the rest of the week? Every show on tv mentions god. Are you too hard headed to see that. It's advertised all over. Keep it in church because your not giving people a choice your forcing it.


So if I kept saying "Jump off a bridge" and showing you pictures of other people who have jumped off of bridges, it wouldn't be your choice, you would be forced into jumping off that bridge? What brand of soda do you prefer? Probably all of them at the same time since their advertising has forced you to like their product. You must be a massive drunk, too, then. There's a lot of alcohol advertising -- er, I'm sorry, alcohol forcing on television. Since it's forcing its self on you, you must have to drink it all all the time.

Personally, I like to hear as much information as I possibly can. See, I can think for myself and draw my own conclusions. I know I'll draw my own conclusions no matter how much information I have, so I try to get as much as is possible so my conclusion is more likely to be accurate. Apparently, with all this I've been reading about Christianity forcing its self on people, I'm one of the few people on the planet who has their own will. Odd, I thought that was the norm.
[edit on 6-1-2005 by I See You]



posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by I See You

How is it that athiests have the rest of the week? Every show on tv mentions god. Are you too hard headed to see that. It's advertised all over. Keep it in church because your not giving people a choice your forcing it.


So is Mentioning Gays on TV forcing people to be Gay? Should every mention of every group be taken out of every show so as not to "force" someone to change? "Touched by an Angel" is played right alongside "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" and "Charmed". I dont have a problem with any of them.

Turn the channel



posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 05:37 PM
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the reason anti-christian sentiment is high is because of these reasons

christians claim that if we dont agree with their ideas
we will go straight to hell and burn for eternity
its a very mean thing for them to say

they think they are so rightous that they can claim superiority over all other humans
they are responsible for a handful of world tragedys

why am i angery with christians?
because they claim to have a copyright on Truth

they claim they are better than me even tho im a peaceful nice guy and any sin i have comitted is probably small in comparison to their hypocracys

they christians think that they are absolutely justified in any atrocity they commit because "god said so"

I read the Bible , just about the whole thng! over 3 times!
and i do NOT believe in its lies!


its my opinion but; i do not worship the IDOL, JESUS as a God because Jesus was a sinner man! and hes an IDOL in my perception
i dont worship idols because i believe in a non-personalized God

to me God is simple
God = Everything

that piece of poop i just dropped in the toilet? thats a piece of God
because God = Everything

anyhow, i dislike christians also because they are unwilling to admit the truth even if you have evidence
example "the earth rotates around the sun"
yup
inquisitions and stake burnings

christianity = satanism
in my opinion

thats why i dislike it
and im from a Southern Baptist upbringing in the bible belt

most christians where im from are so fanatical
that if i say "jesus was a fraud"
they will actually literally murder me
im serious they will get a gun and shoot me in the head
because Jesus wants all disagree'rs to die a horrible death and burn in hell for eternity huh?

ya right
screw christianity
too many fanatics

if your not a fanatic baptist christian who wants to kill me
This is not directed towards you!

nice christians are cool

but mean greedy christians ruined the whole religion
nuff said



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 01:34 AM
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I've only got a minute, but couldn't let this one (from junglejake) go:



In order to have freedom from religion, we have to remove religion.


You're way too literal. That "Freedom of Religion = Freedom from Religion" statement doesn't mean religion has to go away, it simply means that some of us would prefer not to have it shoved down our throats. That's all, really.



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 02:02 AM
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Originally posted by I See You
Yes ignorance is bliss! Try not being so ignorant about everything else but religion.


How is it that athiests have the rest of the week? Every show on tv mentions god. Are you too hard headed to see that. It's advertised all over. Keep it in church because your not giving people a choice your forcing it.

[edit on 6-1-2005 by I See You]



but you fail to realize that school teaches aethism by not talking about the fact that their could be a god. All it says is this is how the world was created, this is how we came to, but god is never mentioned once as a possibility. People will believe school over tv my friend.



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 02:31 AM
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Do US schools really not teach about religions? They do here in the UK...I haven't lived in the States for 22 years, graduated HS in 77, seem to recall covering religious issues. (Those years are admittedly a little hazy...)

I don't agree that not teaching religion = teaching atheism.

There are plenty of sources of religious information; I can't believe anyone wouldn't know how to find out, if they were interested.



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by Muzzleflash
anyhow, i dislike christians also because they are unwilling to admit the truth even if you have evidence


Like what, recently? Your example happened over 400 years ago. If we're going to hold groups of people accountable for anything that happened in their culture's past, everyone on the planet deserves the chair.


most christians where im from are so fanatical
that if i say "jesus was a fraud"
they will actually literally murder me


That wouldn't be fanatical, that would be psychotic. Were they very fanatical, they would take that as an opportunity to explain to you why Jesus wasn't a fraud. If someone were to come up to me and tell me that, it would say to me they wanted to talk about God and Jesus. Otherwise, why bring it up?



nice christians are cool
but mean greedy christians ruined the whole religion


Have to disagree with this sentament. The mean, greedy Christians didn't ruin the whole religion; they ruined many people's perception of the whole religion. The actual faith is solid, it's just the perception of those outside the faith that has been shaken by Christians not walking the walk.


Originally posted by Azeari
You're way too literal. That "Freedom of Religion = Freedom from Religion" statement doesn't mean religion has to go away, it simply means that some of us would prefer not to have it shoved down our throats.


And when you have a religion which teaches to share that religion with others? You'll have to repress that religion to prevent it from being "shoved down your throat", though I don't think expressing someone's opinion or beliefs is exactly forcing it down someone's throat, but as I said in an earlier post, there are some very weak willed people out there that may feel that way.



Do US schools really not teach about religions? They do here in the UK...I haven't lived in the States for 22 years, graduated HS in 77, seem to recall covering religious issues. (Those years are admittedly a little hazy...)


I graduated High School in '97, and throughout my entire school career I was never taught anything about religion. At the time, that was fine with me, I was a very devoted athiest. They used to cover religious issues, but it was removed from public schools by people who misinterpreted Jefferson's letter to the Baptist church explaining seporation of Church and state and that the state shouldn't be able to dictate anything to faiths nor establish a national church. Strange that that's been completely turned around to where now the state should be able to dictate silence from all faiths or those in the majority.

EDIT: Dang it, forgot to close an italics tag...

[edit on 1-7-2005 by junglejake]



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 08:53 AM
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And when you have a religion which teaches to share that religion with others? You'll have to repress that religion to prevent it from being "shoved down your throat", though I don't think expressing someone's opinion or beliefs is exactly forcing it down someone's throat, but as I said in an earlier post, there are some very weak willed people out there that may feel that way.


Feel free to tell me all about your religion. People often do. I even (sometimes) listen to the ubiquitous JWs when they come around.


I graduated High School in '97, and throughout my entire school career I was never taught anything about religion. At the time, that was fine with me, I was a very devoted athiest. They used to cover religious issues, but it was removed from public schools by people who misinterpreted Jefferson's letter to the Baptist church explaining seporation of Church and state and that the state shouldn't be able to dictate anything to faiths nor establish a national church. Strange that that's been completely turned around to where now the state should be able to dictate silence from all faiths or those in the majority.


We finally agree on something! Religion should definitely be taught in schools. (Taught about, mind you.) It's too much a part of too many people's lives, not to mention it's place in history and in current events, to be ignored.



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