I do not hate christians.. though I do dislike some people who call themselves christian yet act in a hateful or biggoted manner in it's name. Given christ was meant to be a humble peacemaker I do not think these people [ex. fred phelps] have earned the right to call themselves "christlike" so I guess technically I only dislike wannabe-christian hypocrites and not genuine christians who try live in compassion and tolerence.

Basically when a witch is named these people are the first to start collecting firewood with glee. What I consider to be an actual christian (cleshe I know) ..is someone who follows Christ's teachings and Jesus certainly was not a sadist.

..yes I am an atheist-buddhist but to me it is the message that is important anyway.




Peace be with you.

[edit on 3-7-2008 by riley]

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Just crusing by this site whilst googling aimlessly.

I find it hilarious that a group of people who support UFO's and alien agendas, goverment conspiracies concerning 'crashed disks' and abductions commited by spacemen, find it a joy to knock people's religious beliefs. I'm sure you've ALL been laughed at, s'n-word'ed at or outright mocked for believing in the little bug eyed dudes who collect people whilst they sleep. Wouldn't that help keep you open minded and at least free from vindictiveness towards other's spiritual beliefs? Atheists demand proof. SHOW ME 100% concrete evidence that Roswell happened. That aliens exist. PROOF. Don't give me that circular logic that the 'government hid it all'. Jesus and the very often hoaxed, faked and outright fabricated UFO culture are exactly the same in one respect- it all comes down to faith. There is as much evidence for Christian miracles as there is for flying saucer crashes. I find it hilarious and PAINFULLY ironic

Uh...yeah.

Bye.

very well put

Wow 16 pages and I haven't chimed in yet.

Ok well I am a pagan myself. I was raised Catholic and left as soon as I read some things I strongly disagree with. I will detail rather than write a whole paragraph about what issues I have with Christianity.

1. If you want to spread the gospel, please do. Stay true to your faith but what some do not get is that when I listen close and in the end I say no, that's all that's left is to say goodbye. Then they keep pushing. I say no again and eventualy I take the higher ground and just walk away. That's all well and good but I do not want to be followed rather I want my no to equal a no and end it.

2. No book of any time is going to tell me that my wife is not equal and that I am above her. Period

3. Like it or not, the burning of witches is very personal to me. Yes I am aware it wasn't you that performed those heinous acts but it was in the name of your creator.

4. Let me say this once again to those who have said it to me. I do NOT need God's "life preserver" to save me. The one that Isis has shown has kept me floating just fine. If you think I am going to hell for that then that's fine but keep it to yourself if I say I am done listening to you.

5. I do not like how thin skinned some can be in ANY religion. I read al these 'true' Christians getting so upset and freaking out over being questioned. I am not saying some athiests don't attack Christians as I have seen it myself but should I decide to question Christianity that is my right. If my questioning shakes you that darn much then you must not have a sturdy foundation with your lord.

6. Many Christians act as if Christianity is so difficult to surround yourself with. Why? Having a religion should be one of the easiest things you can do. Yes you will get persecuted. Try being a Pagan/Wiccan in the military for a while. Try being told all day that we will do the lord's prayer but I cannot perform the prayer to the Triple Goddess in non-religious ceremonies such as rank graduations and such. Not terribly fair.

That's what I can come up with for right now. Christians that truely want peace need to know how it can happen and to do so they must allow others to live freely. Does it really hurt you personally if another person totally unrelated to you is gay?

-Kyo

Hmmm.

I'm the dude who earlier posted on the irony of UFO buffs mocking the validity of religion, mostly Christianity (the last acceptable prejudice it seems is to violently attack this spiritual belief)

Now, I'm no Charley Church, certainly no righteous man, but another thought occurred to me, and I decided to drop back in and post-

now, conspiracy theories seem all the rage here. It wasn't a weather balloon, it was a spaceship, the 'grays' are in control, lizard people etc etc etc...(insert any half-baked Strieber babble or Budd Hopkins money making hysteria here)

now, what if the mass revolt against Christianity and the media aided attack on Christian's in general was in itself a conspiracy? What if the lizard people/illuminati/grays/Lucky Charms leprechaun was guiding, controlling world perception on removing Judeo-Christianity? What if this purpose was to ' lead the world away from the truth?' Most people don't really think much of Christianity anymore...what if there was a reason outside of the spoon fed opinions people parrot? In fact, what if the said reason was because it's all true? Find me a religion as despised, a figure as openly mocked as Christ. Islam is probably increased in popularity and liberal sympathy since 9/11. Judaism is left untouched, the other faiths may be mildly mocked, but nowhere near Christianity. What if the Jesus haters have been brainwashed? What if ' it's all true' thus someone has instigated this terrible plot to lead the world astray? What if...? hmmm.

I'm more an anarchist...but it's still interesting. Any proof or idea's to refute this possibility?

Was that a lizard at my window?

Why do people hate Christians?

Jesus answered this question for us. The student is not above the teacher, the servant is not above the master. If they hated Him who was perfect, then they will hate us with all of our spots, wrinkles, flaws, short tempers, weaknesses, etc. He also told us they do not hate us but the God who is in us. Don't let it get to you.

i dont think chritinans are a nagging remender to people who rebel. everyone rebels against god even us christians we learn to move on from our mistakes to ask god for forgivness. I do agree with you on the part where you said about how jesus was hated and that we would be hated as well. but i think you just haft to learn to deal with it. God gave us the knowledge we need to know how to deal in situations in life. So i wouldnt worry if people hate on me. I could care less!

Lol I think the obvious answer is what Jesus and revelation say! We will be persecuted. And remember their is a battle between good and evil. Satan is out their to change the truth. Which is Christianity. Not to mention Jesus told us to preach and save and that's what we do. We don't just sit in a corner and watch souls get damned. So what do you think happens? Satan battles just as we battle. This battle is real and its on earth.

SO CHRISTIAN PICK UP YOUR SWORD AND SHIELD AND FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT. NOT MATTER WHAT THE POST OR PEOPLE SAY. KNOW THE TRUTH THAT CHRIST IS OUT THEIR. AND THERE IS LIFE AFTER DEATH AND JESUS IS GOD'S SON.

Godbless and go with his spirit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[edit on 28-10-2008 by slymattb]

[edit on 28-10-2008 by slymattb]

Originally posted by slymattb
Lol I think the obvious answer is what Jesus and revelation say! We will be persecuted. And remember their is a battle between good and evil. Satan is out their to change the truth. Which is Christianity. Not to mention Jesus told us to preach and save and that's what we do. We don't just sit in a corner and watch souls get damned. So what do you think happens? Satan battles just as we battle. This battle is real and its on earth.

SO CHRISTIAN PICK UP YOUR SWORD AND SHIELD AND FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT. NOT MATTER WHAT THE POST OR PEOPLE SAY. KNOW THE TRUTH THAT CHRIST IS OUT THEIR. AND THERE IS LIFE AFTER DEATH AND JESUS IS GOD'S SON.

Godbless and go with his spirit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He who lives by the sword dies by the sword.

I just don't remember telling people that the warmongers are blessed. Lets see.

3Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

5Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

6Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

7Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

8Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

9Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

10Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Warmongers? Nope. Peacemakers - YES! OMG I can't beleive it. War is not the way of Jesus. Who would have ever guessed it?

You do not rid the world of evil by killing evil, you merely replace it and become a greater evil. By killing you break the commandments. That makes you a hypocrit, and that means your heart is far from Jesus.

Why would you fight back? Because you fear those who hold power over you before death, and none after. If you were a true believer, you would not fear those who only have power over you before death, you would fear that which has the power after death, and you would not break a commandment for any reason - just as Jesus didn't.

i perfer not to hang around people that are always close minded and hate all the time .. they give you these dirty looks if your from another religion, but i like people who are accepting of others religions and kind and dont look at the world as theirs. thats my view of people there are good ones and bad ones.

I can't understand it either! I think many people are worried about what gifts they have to buy and it just makes them mad. They miss the entire purpose! Just today I was out and people are just driving like maniacs! We celebrate many holidays here in the US, and none seem to get so much "flack" as Christian holidays.

[edit on 12/9/2008 by PammyK]

[edit on 12/9/2008 by PammyK]

Sorry, I thought it said Christmas!!! I am such a ditz!!!!!