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Putin Sends Obama Independence Day Message

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posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 12:52 PM
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July 4, 2014 4:24PM ET





Russian President Vladimir Putin told Barack Obama in an Independence Day message Friday that he hopes the two countries can improve relations, and he urged Washington to treat Moscow as an equal partner.

In the message published on the Kremlin website, Putin said that "regardless of difficulties and disagreements" he hoped Russia and the United States could "successfully develop relations on pragmatic and equal grounds."

"The head of the Russian state expressed hope that ... ties between the two countries will develop successfully on the basis of pragmatism and equality despite difficulties and disagreements," the Kremlin said in a statement, outlining a telegram it said was sent to Obama on the July 4 holiday.

"Vladimir Putin also highlighted that Russia and the United States, as countries carrying exceptional responsibility for safeguarding international stability and security, should cooperate not only in the interests of their own nations but also the whole world," it said.


america.aljazeera.com...

So is it an attempt at political manipulation, or is it sincere? He makes some good points, I hope he means it.
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posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 12:55 PM
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Putin bashers will state its manipulation, but its the west encroaching on Russia's borders and closing channels of communication, not the other way around.

See?



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 12:56 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
Putin bashers will state its manipulation, but its the west encroaching on Russia's borders and closing channels of communication, not the other way around.

See?


What? How do you figure that?



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 01:04 PM
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Well there are mentioned words that says that he doesn't like the situation. And if it's a hand reach for stability within the economic setback for the Russians then it's pathetic to say at least .

But I somehow think and I think we all should think that every peaceful offer to get a stable world and society is something we shouldn't neglect and embrace to work to a solution in the Ukraine and elsewhere ..


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posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 01:05 PM
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a reply to: ladyinwaiting

The reports of American armor on borders with Russia are many …

Russian armor on Canadian and Mexican border… zilch.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: ladyinwaiting

The reports of American armor on borders with Russia are many …

Russian armor on Canadian and Mexican border… zilch.


Uh, if that's the case, do you think there might be a legitimate reason for it?



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 01:16 PM
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posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 01:17 PM
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originally posted by: ladyinwaiting

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: ladyinwaiting

The reports of American armor on borders with Russia are many …

Russian armor on Canadian and Mexican border… zilch.


Uh, if that's the case, do you think there might be a legitimate reason for it?


If money is the reason for anything legitimate, including rattling war sabers…

How much blood and treasure is enough?



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

I would love that as it WAS supposed to happen after Reagan took them down with thier money ,BUSH was supposed to follow UP by INVENSTING in them to build back up but THAT wasn't what HALLIBURTON wanted him to do...
WE were BOTH ripped off.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

NO they use GERMAN armor.
AND we only take fire OCCASIONALLY from the border.THEY run when we get serious.
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posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

Besides, through the whole thing putin has been asking to work together. Saying the west and east need to join and help out. Meanwhile the west has just been blasting him with rhetoric. Putin has had a hand in every attempt at ceasefire, meanwhile the west keeps feeding the flames with arms and money.


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posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 01:23 PM
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a reply to: ladyinwaiting

Google: who started the war in South Ossetia



According to Grist, it was Georgia that launched the first military strikes against Tskhinvali. "It was clear to me that the [Georgian] attack was completely indiscriminate and disproportionate to any, if indeed there had been any, provocation,” he said. “The attack was clearly, in my mind, an indiscriminate attack on the town, as a town.”[70] Grist's views were echoed by Stephen Young, who was another senior OSCE official in Georgia at the time.

WayBackMachine:
web.archive.org...://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article5114401.ece


Witnesses on the ground are telling the truth,
It was the USA puppet state of Georgia who
started shelling a civilian city, not Russia.

Everything else is a lie.

As you study who said what, you will find the
NGO's lining up to falsely accuse Russia and
that ought to teach you all you need to know
about who is, and who is not, telling the truth.
Not just in this case, but every case to follow.






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posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 01:25 PM
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The supposed “independence” noted and celebrated is recorded in the document known as The Declaration of Independence. Those enslaved by a king at that time, declared themselves independent. However, at the same time they were calling themselves subjects instead to some, as yet, undefined government master (later to be defined as a “republic”). The document rails about such worthy goals as equality among men, inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and government operating only at the consent of the governed... and so on.

But when present day loyalists view their present day reality through their star spangled eyes, do they see the ultimate achievement of these documented goals? Once the hot dogs and beer are digested and the fireworks smoke clears, what do they have? Freedom? Independence? Liberty? No, quite the contrary.

What they in reality have is a multi-century, linear regression from a declaration of the sanctity of the natural rights of man and the glory of individualism to an annual affirmation of conformity, unquestioned loyalty, collective obedience, and the glorification of human sacrifice when committed in the name of the king.... and not the old king, but the new one.

What in reality they have is the unfortunate opportunity to witness a spectacular, historical failure. The institution created and charged with protecting those declared, natural rights has instead morphed into the greatest threat toward their weakening and eventual abolition. Words on parchment outlining law, custom and structure regarding such an institution have been proven impotent to restrain the growth of a predator so large and menacing, that it not only threatens complete evisceration of individual wealth and liberties within its declared territory, but also the lives, wealth, property, and security of people throughout the world.

What I see is very large, powerful and centralized political structure which is not only inadequate, but inherently dangerous toward the stated goal of preserving liberty, therefore, in my view, aware individuals can only view celebrating such a structure as utterly senseless.
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posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: ladyinwaiting

The reports of American armor on borders with Russia are many …

Russian armor on Canadian and Mexican border… zilch.
If Russia wants to be treated in a pragmatic way and equal way, they need to realize the countries they share borders with, are weary of Russia. So, the Russian pragmatist would realize those countries feel threatened and are reaching out to what Russia wants to be considered as an equal to in order to assuage the threat, whether real or perceived.

It works both ways, right?

And besides, Russia shares no border with Canada or Mexico, and I haven't heard any news of American separatists living within either Canada or Mexico trying to instill a coup.



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posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: paradoxious

Probably because Russia doesn't have powerful ngos working in Canada or Mexico to foment discord and rebellion under a Russian trained dictator.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 01:34 PM
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It works both ways, right?

Yah, except the Soviet military left all those Eastern Bloc countries. So now this perceived threat from Russia is just that.

The occupation of those same countries by NATO forces isn't threatening to NATO, its threatening to Russia.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 01:44 PM
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looks like Putin made the first move towards peace negotiations, thats a good sign



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 01:51 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: intrptr

Besides, through the whole thing putin has been asking to work together. Saying the west and east need to join and help out. Meanwhile the west has just been blasting him with rhetoric. Putin has had a hand in every attempt at ceasefire, meanwhile the west keeps feeding the flames with arms and money.

Not only in Ukraine, eastern Europe and the Baltic States, but the Middle East as well.

Russia vetoed (along with China) numerous attempts by the US to pass a resolution in the UN Security Council for a Libyan style intervention in Syria.

Can't get fooled again, but still willing to talk. The US response is well, no response. I'm sure they are struggling with one right now.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: intrptr
But wasn't that those countries were annexed by the Russians , but later on at the time Gorbachov and Yelsin came to power those countries got independent.?

At that time Putin was at the KGB maybe he never liked the idea that the independency of those countries were initiated.
So now he finally saw this opportunity to get them back or at least partially .

and now his scenario doesn't worked out that well because of all the European and US boycotts he feels the pain in his wallet.

Not that we shouldn't appreciate his peace offer and step to a better dialogue..
I really want to hear what Obamas reaction will be to this hand reach. . ?



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 01:59 PM
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a reply to: ladyinwaiting

Here was Obama's well thought out reply...



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