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The Conservative Agenda Would be Great Without Conservatives

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posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 12:10 PM
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The conservative agenda is supposed to be one of limited government, individual rights-and individualism, equal protection under the law, liberty, and self-determination.

If this is true why is it so many conservatives fight for larger institutions, domestic spying, LGBT rights, and make laws that would inhibit individualism?

The answer is their religious doctrine. Not the Bible, as the bible is replete with individualist ideals, stories of self-determination, self defense, and individual responsibility. I'm talking about religious doctrine. Things that didn't exist until the Church created it. The refusal to understand the time the bible was written and the world we live in today.

I'm a conservative-libertarian. I believe in conservative principles. But Conservatives themselves seem to believe that we can part out society and remove the people they don't agree with from the vessel of the US Constitution and the rights and responsibilities it protects. In general I'm referring to the LGBT fight. I stand behind my brothers and sisters who are gay. I've grown up with gay people all my life. I remember when being gay HAD TO BE secretive because of how dangerous it was to come out. I remember the intolerance, the hatred, and the murders of gay people, some of them my friends.

I believe wholeheartedly in conservative principles. Because of those principles I believe that rights belong to humans NOT government. Government has powers and they are specific and enumerated. Government has no business taking away the rights of ANY American to determine the course of their lives. FURTHER the government is BOUND BY LAW to treat all Americans equally in application of the law. Why is it so hard for conservatives to accept gay people as just another person? As Americans who are due the rights bestowed upon them by the virtue of their humanity and the grace of God?

It's time to change Conservatism. We must accept all Americans if we are ever to fight the destructive policies of collectivism and statism.

Millennial Republicans see risk for party in gay marriage response


Millennial Republicans are urging GOP leaders to adopt an inclusive tone on gay marriage following last week's Supreme Court ruling.

They argue that combative rhetoric risks alienating a new generation of voters who could abandon Republican candidates over the issue.


Indeed. I'd go much further and say that conservative republicans have do some soul searching here. They must stop the contradictory interpretations of law that segregate entire groups of our society from the protections enjoyed by American citizenship.
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posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
It's time to change Conservatism. We must accept all Americans if we are ever to fight the destructive policies of collectivism and statism.


You mean, make it more liberal?



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 12:26 PM
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a reply to: rationalconsumer

Liberalism in this country has long ago embraced collectivism and statist policy.



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 12:26 PM
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a reply to: rationalconsumer

Im sure he means that the majority of conservatives have forgotten what they really stand for.



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: rationalconsumer

Im sure he means that the majority of conservatives have forgotten what they really stand for.


Exactly.

I am not a liberal. I find modern American liberals to be champions of statism, Keynesian economics, and state control of everything. They are American Socialists and this is evidenced by their vocal support of socialist ideals, which is control of all economic and social functions by the state.

To me that is unacceptable.

I find it even more unacceptable that conservatives would aid collectivist ideology by denying rights to certain groups of people and becoming angry when those people's rights are recognized by law.



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

Currently,, there is not a single individual in DC that I feel meets the requirements to represent me.

The GOP, DNC are nothing but ass-kissing liars with no spines and no morals.


I'd fire the lot of them if I could.



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 12:44 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

The conservative agenda is supposed to be one of limited government, individual rights-and individualism, equal protection under the law, liberty, and self-determination.

Back in the time of Thomas Jefferson, these were considered "Liberal".



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 12:47 PM
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The LGBT agenda would be great without LGBT.

(Mr. Ketsuko)



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

In all reality, I wasn't aware that there were any conservatives left in the US government! We have democrats and republicans, but the reality is that they are all neolib "progressives"... and "progressive" means that the end game is complete government control over every possible aspect of our lives. "Neocon" is just the extreme left's term for leftists who aren't left enough.

In any event, none of them have the right to deny the rights of same sex couples to get married. It's asinine to restrict the love life of any adult relationship.



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 01:00 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: projectvxn

Currently,, there is not a single individual in DC that I feel meets the requirements to represent me.

The GOP, DNC are nothing but ass-kissing liars with no spines and no morals.


I'd fire the lot of them if I could.


true that



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 01:17 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

I agree surprisingly often with 'true' Conservatives. Basically only differing on economic structure, I think a worker owned economy would be immeasurably better, and respect for hierarchy of which I have none.

ETA I can almost see you shaking your head already. lol
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posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 01:32 PM
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originally posted by: tallcool1
a reply to: projectvxn

In all reality, I wasn't aware that there were any conservatives left in the US government! We have democrats and republicans, but the reality is that they are all neolib "progressives"... and "progressive" means that the end game is complete government control over every possible aspect of our lives. "Neocon" is just the extreme left's term for leftists who aren't left enough.

In any event, none of them have the right to deny the rights of same sex couples to get married. It's asinine to restrict the love life of any adult relationship.

Which is sort of the point. Conservatives attempt to meddle in all types of personal issues. They seem to be 'window peepers', in regard to social and civil rights issues. If conservatives were just one person, they would have been arrested multiple times for being peeping toms.
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posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 01:46 PM
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Now what we have heah, is a failure to communicate.....

Fascist, Theological, repressive, constipated, corpratist have co-opted American conservatism.

The working poor adopt this "Trumplike" fallacy, in that they still hope for change because thats what Rush instructs them to believe. Never underestimate the power of "the cult of personality" especially when coupled with hatred and divisiveness.

sound familiar?
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posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: Kali74

Head shakes aside, we can debate all day long on the merits of one system or another.

To be honest if a system other than organic free markets would produce far greater results I would be all for it so long as the administration of that system did not depend on mob rule and respected the rights inherent to the individual.

This is the issue I have with collectivism Kali. The needs of the many out weigh the rights of the 1. Lots of people have died under that mentality and it didn't much matter if the system was right or left either.



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: reldra

Actually, that would be a republican who wants to control what you do in the privacy of your own bedroom - not a conservative. A conservative would be more concerned with balancing the budget, not spending more than they take in, not subsidizing everything, massively gutting government and their control of everything, and allowing people the freedom to choose their own lifestyle and beliefs... or maybe that's my own little wish. Conservative with the government control and spending, and liberal in our personal lives.

Substitute republican for conservative in your response and I would agree with you.



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

Yeah, I wasn't looking to debate just saying where I notably differ from rational Conservatives such as yourself... and I wasn't saying you were shaking your head at me



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