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George Takei: Clarence Thomas is a "Clown in Blackface"

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posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 08:02 AM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: NavyDoc

Do you have anything to say about Thomas' comment that the government isn't responsible for the dignity of those who were interned and/or enslaved by the government?



Read Booker T. Washington's "Up From Slavery" and you will see that he makes very similar points--that one can preserve dignity in one's self through adversity. My relatives who survived both concentration camps and the gulags also mention this principle.

Of course, Booker T. Washington would be an "Uncle Tom" by today's standards.




posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 08:06 AM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: grandmakdw




Still an unacceptable racist comment, regardless of generation.


Don't forget that George Takei was imprisoned with his family simply because of their race during the Japanese Internment. George Takei witnessed his father lose his dignity while he lost everything else, his home, his business, his ability to operate as a free individual and to support his family.

George Takei recognized and called Clarence Thomas out for carrying water for those that would oppress him and people like him.



You mean socialist democrat progressives? Because the internment was done under that leftist icon, FDR.



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 08:09 AM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: NavyDoc

Do you have anything to say about Thomas' comment that the government isn't responsible for the dignity of those who were interned and/or enslaved by the government?



Navy Doc is quite correct, it was not conservatives or Republicans who interned the Japanese, ie Takai

Applause to Navy Doc for telling the truth and reminding us all of the truth
rather than falling for the lies and revisionist history
that Republicans and conservatives
were responsible for the internment.
Go Navy Doc!

It was a Democrat and a liberal who interned the Japanese.

So by your definition, it was not Thomas' government who did it, it was
ooops,
YOURS.



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posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 08:23 AM
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a reply to: NavyDoc




Of course, Booker T. Washington would be an "Uncle Tom" by today's standards.


He was in his own day too, by many.

It's one thing to take up the cause of an oppressed people to assist in seeing them regain their dignity AFTER reconciliation, and quite another to use the excuse that oppressors are NOT responsible for any individuals loss of dignity, to justify their continued oppression. "Their defeated demeanor is a result of their own character flaws, which justified their oppression in the first place! See!"


John Tateishi says the experience was both humiliating and disorienting. "We came out of these camps with a sense of shame and guilt, of having been considered betrayers of our country." He says that after the war most families never spoke about it. "There were no complaints, no big rallies or demands for justice because it was not the Japanese way."



These Japanese Americans, half of whom were children, were incarcerated for up to 4 years, without due process of law or any factual basis, in bleak, remote camps surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards.

They were forced to evacuate their homes and leave their jobs; in some cases family members were separated and put into different camps. President Roosevelt himself called the 10 facilities "concentration camps."

Some Japanese Americans died in the camps due to inadequate medical care and the emotional stresses they encountered. Several were killed by military guards posted for allegedly resisting orders.
www.pbs.org...


Clarence Thomas is an weak yes man, anyway you look at it, promoting oppression and a "blame the victim" mentality. What he said was insulting beyond any pale of decency, to anyone with half a brain. There's no way I can find any justification for defending his position.



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 08:26 AM
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a reply to: grandmakdw

You're just saying that about NavyDoc because you agree with his politics!



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 08:27 AM
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a reply to: windword

So you define your self-worth and dignity based all on what others tell you? Who's really the weak person?

I spent pretty much all of my grade school and junior high years being cruelly bulled. I had to make my own dignity and self-worth. Thomas is absolutely correct. It is not what others give. If it was, I would never have been anything other than the ugly loser POS my classmates continually told me I was. Instead, I focused on learning what I was capable of and judged my worth on my own intrinsic talents. I found my own dignity and self-worth.



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 08:34 AM
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a reply to: windword

After all this you are still defending calling a black man, the first black supreme court justice,
a clown in blackface?

You are calling a black woman ignorant
because she too called the statement racist
and said her words, thoughts and ideas
are worthless
simply because you disagree with them?

You are still defending racism.

But you can't see it because something in your past, which you have referred to,
"stripped you of your dignity" as you said,

and so you can not understand that

Thomas was complimenting slaves for
refusing to give up that last part of themselves
to the slave owners, therefore keeping their dignity,
in the face of horrific circumstances.

Because of your personal hurts and agenda,
you can not see that you are supporting racism
and racist words
because they are directed at someone you don't like,
and participating in ugliest things,
like your declaration that the
young woman (who is obviously quite intelligent
and quite an effective speaker)
is ignorant for having an opinion different
than yours.

Do you acknowledge that it was Democrats and liberals who interned Takai?
Are you able, due to personal trauma you have mentioned repeatedly,
acknowledge the truth of history, that Republicans and conservatives
were not the ones who interned Takai?



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 08:35 AM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: grandmakdw

You're just saying that about NavyDoc because you agree with his politics!


Yes, because I agree with his opinion and think he has made a superb, honest, and truthful statement.

Ask Navy Doc, he and I have tangled in the past and disagreed.

However, I agree with him here 100%
It was Dems and Libs who interned Takai and his family



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 08:36 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

This isn't an issue of self worth. It's an issue of being recognized as an equal, worthy of respect. There's no dignity in inequality.

To me, what you're saying is no different than telling a rape victim that she should "snap out of it" and if she can't regain and claim her self worth and dignity, it's a result of her own character flaws.



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 08:41 AM
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a reply to: grandmakdw




After all this you are still defending calling a black man, the first black supreme court justice,
a clown in blackface?


I'm calling him worse than a hypocrite. I'm saying that he's pretending to work for one thing, while promoting the opposite. He's a swarmy, two faced carpet bagger! How about that?



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 08:48 AM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: grandmakdw




After all this you are still defending calling a black man, the first black supreme court justice,
a clown in blackface?


I'm calling him worse than a hypocrite. I'm saying that he's pretending to work for one thing, while promoting the opposite. He's a swarmy, two faced carpet bagger! How about that?




Interesting. I use the same terms to describe Al Sharpton.



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 08:49 AM
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a reply to: beezzer

WOW! What's the date today! Mark it! The day that I agreed with Beezer!



Damned carpet baggers everywhere!




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posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 01:46 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: grandmakdw




After all this you are still defending calling a black man, the first black supreme court justice,
a clown in blackface?


I'm calling him worse than a hypocrite. I'm saying that he's pretending to work for one thing, while promoting the opposite. He's a swarmy, two faced carpet bagger! How about that?



None of the things you are saying above are racist,
as the same could be said of Hillary Clinton,
as we have seen people shouting some of these very words to her at rallies.

However, calling a black man,
the only black man to ever sit on the Supreme Court
"a clown in blackface"
IS inherently racist and wrong
regardless of ones personal feelings about the man.

That being said, I can see that we can go back and forth
on this issue for years,
and because of some past hurt you have
which you have repeatedly referred to in this thread,
you will never change your mind, and I can understand that.

I too will not change my mind that the statement was inherently racist.

So adios, I end my chat with you.
You may retort, as is your prerogative
so you feel good about yourself by having the last word,
but you will not change my mind,
and I can see that I won't change yours.

So further discussion with you on this issue
is entirely pointless at this juncture.



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posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw

I have no discomfort from facts, and little from others expressing their opinion ... unlike you and others who think like you do.

We all have opinions, you may have noticed, as well as First Amendment freedoms.

It's telling though, that you think that by finding a Black American who disagrees with Takei, you've proven something about all Black Americans.

I see you still believe in the concept of "tokenism."




posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw




However, calling a black man, the only black man to ever sit on the Supreme Court " a clown in blackface" is inherently racist and wrong regardless of ones personal feelings about the man.


It's not racist, it's cultural, just like call Thomas a "carpetbagger" is cultural, not racist.


The term carpetbaggers was also used to describe the Republican political appointees who came South, arriving with their travel carpet bags. Southerners considered them ready to loot and plunder the defeated South.



Together with Republicans, carpetbaggers were said to have politically manipulated and controlled former Confederate states for varying periods for their own financial and power gains. In sum, carpetbaggers were seen as insidious Northern outsiders with questionable objectives meddling in local politics, buying up plantations at fire-sale prices and taking advantage of Southern whites.
en.wikipedia.org...



Blackface is a form of theatrical makeup used by performers to represent a black person. The practice gained popularity during the 19th century and contributed to the proliferation of stereotypes such as the "happy-go-lucky darky on the plantation" or the "dandified coon".
en.wikipedia.org...


Insinuating that Thomas is in "make-up" is the same as insinuating that he's manipulating the situation through appearances and is himself proliferating stereotypes. "He's a wolf in sheep's clothing" Everything that identifies with race isn't necessarily racist.



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

Yep, and the matter was later addressed under that socialist democrat progressive Jimmy Carfter, and apologized for, and redressed. Not to mention that the bulk of the reparations were paid under that socialist republican progressive Ronald Reagan.

Conclusion, similar to the logic used, all Republicans are in favor of paying reparations to those our Government has wronged.



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 02:04 PM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw

It was a Democrat and a liberal who interned the Japanese.


The word is interred.

So we should blame the Republicans for the massacres of Native Americans, the Stock Market Crash, and Great Depression?

That's kind of a one-sided, narrow view, but I guess ... technically correct.




posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 02:11 PM
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Just thought I'd share a quote from a man I greatly admire.


If you have always believed that everyone should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards, that would have gotten you labeled a radical 60 years ago, a liberal 30 years ago and a racist today.

-Thomas Sowell



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: grandmakdw

I have no discomfort from facts, and little from others expressing their opinion ... unlike you and others who think like you do.

We all have opinions, you may have noticed, as well as First Amendment freedoms.

It's telling though, that you think that by finding a Black American who disagrees with Takei, you've proven something about all Black Americans.

I see you still believe in the concept of "tokenism."



What you call tokenism,
I say should be a source of victory and pride for the black community,
a black supreme court justice,
and I don't think he will be the last,
there should and will be many more
black justices.

It seems that by calling him a token, you are
degrading the significance of the first black man
to sit on the Supreme Court.

I have no discomfort in people expressing opinions,
however, I do have a great deal of discomfort
when the liberal left screams "racism" at the drop of a hat,
or when asking a tall person to help them
get something off the shelf
for a short person, because the tall person is black and
the short person white.
I have a great deal of discomfort when confronting
blatant hypocrisy, which I have witnessed much
of on this thread, through the excusing of
a racist remark and even going so far as
to claim the remark is not racist,
simply because liberals do not like
the person who is being defamed
by the racist remark.



posted on Jul, 5 2015 @ 02:21 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw

You are the one who implied that the opinion of one person was indicative of an entire race.

That's known as tokenism, for example "some of my best friends are Black, I can't be racist."

I didn't call Justice Thomas a token; again, you like to lie and put words into people's mouths.

Ah, the "liberal left" screams racism at the drop of a hat, but what you and your other conservative compatriots have done in this entire thread is to take a term that is commonly used, by many (not just one person) in the Black community, and hoist that up to claim that all liberals are racist because of what one person (Takei) said.

You just can't help turning everything into a partisan issue, I realize this.

But in general, you're utterly incorrect. As in this case.



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