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Should muslims be able to ban you from eating pork/drinking alcohol ?

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posted on Jul, 2 2015 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

But the ruling still stands, and even in today's over-litigious society, we STILL don't have a successful lawsuit forcing any church to marry an interracial couple. And Krazyshot shared a link in another thread just the other day where some church in the South turned away an interracial couple who wanted to get married there. No lawsuit, no repercussion by the government.

Churches have been able to refuse to hire blacks (with no repercussion), and to shut women out of the priesthood (with no repercussion), and they can turn away gays with no repercussion.

We have anti-discrimination laws based on religion, and what do you think the government would do to a Catholic Church who refused membership to a practicing Jew? Nothing, that's what.




posted on Jul, 2 2015 @ 03:53 PM
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a reply to: Cabin

Obviously they have never snapped into a Slim Jim while drinking beer! It's awesome!



posted on Jul, 2 2015 @ 04:05 PM
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How about the SCOTUS make a statement that allows people to have their own beliefs and rules as long as they do not affect others


No need, it's covered by the first amendment.



posted on Jul, 2 2015 @ 04:12 PM
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It seems to me that within their own ranks the religions of the world can't seem to pin things down to one set of rules.

The mulsims have the Sunni, the Shi'a, and the Sufi. They tear themselves apart every day over which parts of the Quran are holier than others, judge others, and try to influence policy, and legislation based on their 'one true faith.' We hear often that 'most' are peaceful, but many aren't. Which ones will be pushing for new laws? Will these laws upset the other religions?

In Christianity we have 41,000 variations of one faith. They all - and I mean ALL - cherry pick the bits they like, ignore the bits they don't like, judge others, and try to influence policy, and legislation based on their 'one true faith.'
We hear often that 'most' are good people, but many aren't. Which ones will be pushing for new laws? Will these laws upset the other religions?

They can't even get their own laws straight, so why on earth should we let them mess with ours?
My eating a bacon sandwich offends Muslims, and Jews? Great. Their genital mutilation, and brainwashing of children offends me. I'll stop eating bacon when they stop cutting bits off children. When they stop teaching children that fairytales are real. But look, now I'm 'persecuting' them! See how that works? If something they do offends me and I speak out, I'm accused of blasphemy, apostasy, persecution, hate speech.... The list goes on.

Perhaps we should have laws against religious circumcision. Yeah, let's do that.
How quickly will the religious cry foul?
How about, "No teaching children religion until they are over 18!"
How quickly will the fundies be on to us for attacking their 'religious freedom.'
Of course, the words 'freedom' and 'privilege' often get switched and misused.



posted on Jul, 2 2015 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: Staroth
a reply to: Cabin

Obviously they have never snapped into a Slim Jim while drinking beer! It's awesome!


That sounds amazing. What beer would you recommend with an original slim jim?



posted on Jul, 2 2015 @ 05:10 PM
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How about the SCOTUS make a statement that allows people to have their own beliefs and rules as long as they do not affect others


There already is, it's called Freedom of Religion and it stops Fundamentalist Christians (and others with similar views) from forcing their religious views of marriage on others like, for example, gay people.



posted on Jul, 2 2015 @ 06:01 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel



How about the SCOTUS make a statement that allows people to have their own beliefs and rules as long as they do not affect others


No need, it's covered by the first amendment.


Which is quite often soundly ignored.



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko
Stop being so pedantic. Any caterer cannot be forced to take any contract that he doesn't want to. BUT if a caterer took on a contract knowing there would be something he would object to then yes he should be forced to provide the said service.
Or more simpler for you if the caterer doesn't like porn just DON'T PUT IN FOR THE CONTRACT.



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 07:31 PM
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a reply to: Cabin

In most cases, the answer would be no. However, there will be a few cases where the answer will be yes and here is why.

In their rush to try to prevent same sex marriage, there were states that went through to pass: Religion Restoration Freedom Acts.

These laws are highly exploitable and opened a door that should never had been opened at all. They were passed with the intention to allow for discrimination against same sex marriage, and at the same time with the way they were written, it opened up a legal door for issues, like the one the OP mentioned, that could be used and won in a court of law. So while most would say no, someone who is Islamic could not legally prevent a person from eating bacon, with the RFRA laws that were written and hastily passed, it gives them legal door to walk through and push such through. And for those who think that this is nonsense, take a good look at what happened in Indiana. They passed a RFRA law and now have to deal with leagalized pot, way before the state was ready for such. Or when they pushed to have christian material in the schools and the temple of satan demanded to have its stuff put there and won in court.



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 07:45 PM
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Muslims aren't banning anyone from eating pork.

Muslims CHOOSE to refuse to eat port because of their belief that pigs are dirty (it's a false belief and widely debunked)



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 07:51 PM
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a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Happy to burst your little bubble...Christians live by faith and grace not by
the law. I eat bacon,little shrimp since gulf oil spill,snails? There isn't enough
money printed on this planet to get me to eat snails! I wear denim skirts down
to my ankles and they are getting a little frayed,I don't like tatoos,sabbath is
sunset friday through sunset saturday.I usually watch football on sunday.Next...



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 07:54 PM
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a reply to: babybunnies


originally posted by: babybunnies
Muslims aren't banning anyone from eating pork.

Muslims CHOOSE to refuse to eat port because of their belief that pigs are dirty (it's a false belief and widely debunked)


Correct, and gay marriage should always be treated the same. If it is against your beliefs you can choose not to have one, but that person's religious belief against gay marriage should not ban it for others.



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 07:56 PM
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a reply to: Rocker2013


edit on 3-7-2015 by mamabeth because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 07:58 PM
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a reply to: vonclod

The tribulation will make those two world wars look like a trip to
Disney land before it's over!



posted on Jul, 6 2015 @ 07:03 AM
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Interestingly, I can think of several Muslim countries that produce alcoholic beverages on their own soil. Both Pakistan and Morocco have wine industries and in Egypt, you can buy home brewed beer. A friend of mine lived in Oman for several years and the policy there was to provide foreigners with an individual liquor licence. This enabled you to buy alcohol for own use, provided you did not supply any to the local Omanis.
edit on 6-7-2015 by meridie because: because my spelling sucked

edit on 6-7-2015 by meridie because: grammar also suspect



posted on Jul, 6 2015 @ 07:52 AM
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Perhaps we should have laws against religious circumcision. Yeah, let's do that.

Yes, let's! Because it's cruel and it hurts, and a brand new arrival doesn't need it. It serves NO PURPOSE.

How quickly will the religious cry foul?
Who cares? It's mutilation.

How about, "No teaching children religion until they are over 18!"

YES PLEASE. Just like cigarettes and alcohol.

How quickly will the fundies be on to us for attacking their 'religious freedom.'
Of course, the words 'freedom' and 'privilege' often get switched and misused.
Who cares? It's child abuse.



posted on Jul, 6 2015 @ 07:57 AM
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a reply to: Cabin

Interesting variation on the old "Well, what if someone goes into a Muslim store and demands that they sell them pork?" argument.

Well done.






posted on Jul, 6 2015 @ 07:59 AM
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originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Happy to burst your little bubble...Christians live by faith and grace not by
the law. I eat bacon,little shrimp since gulf oil spill,snails? There isn't enough
money printed on this planet to get me to eat snails! I wear denim skirts down
to my ankles and they are getting a little frayed,I don't like tatoos,sabbath is
sunset friday through sunset saturday.I usually watch football on sunday.Next...


So, the Old Testament applies to gays, just not Christians?

How about Christian gays?



posted on Jul, 6 2015 @ 09:57 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Happy to burst your little bubble...Christians live by faith and grace not by
the law. I eat bacon,little shrimp since gulf oil spill,snails? There isn't enough
money printed on this planet to get me to eat snails! I wear denim skirts down
to my ankles and they are getting a little frayed,I don't like tatoos,sabbath is
sunset friday through sunset saturday.I usually watch football on sunday.Next...


So, the Old Testament applies to gays, just not Christians?

How about Christian gays?


You fool! Now the hard core Christians will know that they have been infiltrated by the gay agenda! They will split off and make another religion! YOU FOOOOOOOOOOOL

Anyway, too answer questions posted originally:

1. Gay marriage: People against it should just butt out of other peoples business. I fully support anyone who loves another person and the love is reciprocated to the extent where they wish to make a legal standing of their relationship valid and official to the world to show that they are a union. If a religion / establishment doesn't wish to marry the couple then though its short sighted and ignorant in my view then the business and money is taken somewhere which isnt small minded.

2. The Muslim question (which I understand was just a precursor): In their home / business, yes! If in someone else's home / business, no! If they say "no, its against my religion to serve you this" then please, go find me someone who will sell me my bacon. I respect your views but hell I WANT MY BACON but I will not belittle you or your religious views because I want something you dont want to sell me. In fact in a way I admire your stance and conviction not to bow to the general flow of things and wish more young people would stand up for their own belief system in a calm way! Good on you! Now... please find someone to give me my bacon! Cheers!



posted on Jul, 6 2015 @ 11:34 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Being a christian and a homosexual goes against Biblical scriptures.
It is for the best to let God sort these issues out and move along.




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