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Recent Terrorism Alert in Indonesia and Quake: Any Connection?

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posted on Dec, 26 2004 @ 08:00 PM
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Just had a crazy thought- Could terrorists possibly have detonated a nuke device underwater at a critical juncture on the ocean floor to cause the quake? Only reason I thought of this is because of the recent TA-Alert for Indonesia:

www.atsnn.com...

I know, I know, I am nuts for even thinking such a thing. Or am I? Is it even possible to explode a nuke under water?




posted on Dec, 26 2004 @ 08:03 PM
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No. A detonation of a nuke would be picked up by many of the monitoring stations around the world and would leave a distinc signature. Not the mention the feasability of detonating a nuke at the site of the quake.



posted on Dec, 26 2004 @ 08:06 PM
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It's possible to explode a nuke anywhere. You just don't want to be close by when you push the button.

Lets get real here. If terrorist had a nuclear weapon they wouldn't waste it on the outside chance they could cause a tidle wave. It would be used in a city or location where they could do the most damage and be able to stand up and claim it was they that did it. One of the factors of being a terrorist is you have to be able to claim credit for the terror you've caused, otherwise no one will believe you.

Love and light to each of you,

Wupy



posted on Dec, 26 2004 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
I know, I know, I am nuts for even thinking such a thing. Or am I? Is it even possible to explode a nuke under water?


Why would a nuke exploding undersater result in a 8.1-9.0 richter earthquake?



posted on Dec, 26 2004 @ 08:08 PM
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Good point Wuppy. Agreed.



posted on Dec, 26 2004 @ 08:09 PM
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The answer is "no"

Just mother earth shaking us off as a dog shakes off water...



posted on Dec, 26 2004 @ 08:33 PM
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Well, my thinking was that if they knew the plates were weak at that juncture, and could of placed a small nuke or bomb of some kind there at the juncture of the plates on the ocean floor, that it might be able to cause a big enough impact to incite a quake. I checked on the tectonic plates involved:

earthquake.usgs.gov...


From the article:
Interestingly, the epicenter wasToday's shallow, thrust-type earthquake occurred off the west coast of northern Sumatra at the interface between the India and Burma plates. In this region, the Burma plate is characterized by significant strain partitioning due to oblique convergence of the India and Australia plates to the west and the Sunda and Eurasian plates to the east.


When I read that, I thought oh no, surely not. Ok, bad idea. lol. Wasn't the first one I've had and probably won't be the last.


How bout the closest mod just trash this thread



posted on Dec, 26 2004 @ 08:46 PM
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No trashing thread.

You never know
you really might have something here


Anything is possible nowadays!



posted on Dec, 26 2004 @ 08:55 PM
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lol, dg, you crack me up. You can join marge and me in the pen when we all get locked up.



posted on Dec, 26 2004 @ 09:23 PM
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TrueAmerican,

It will be my pleasure to meet you all at camp.



posted on Dec, 26 2004 @ 10:58 PM
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Ok, well if you want to keep the thread, then I suppose we better debunk this idea for good. Umm, ok, so I did some further checking, and found out a couple of things:

1) Nukes can be detonated under water, and here is one page of US Army tests I found to prove it:
volcanology.geol.ucsb.edu...

So I'm like hmm, aight. Then I go to here and find the actual seismic imprint signature of a nuclear explosion, as compared to earthquakes-

And as you can see, in the nuke explosion, there is a large spike at first from the blast and then reduced activity:
www.unitedstatesaction.com...

Whereas in earthquakes, there is no initial spike and it is a gradual buildup to intensity.

So then on this next page are images of the actual seismographic data from this current quake, and taken right there in Jakarta, for the most accurate readings:
www.epdpnews.com...

As you can see they are the usual gradual images, and no initial spikes that I can see from the somewhat distant pictures. I couldn't find any other graphs on the net of this current quake yet, other than the readings from the USA. But just from the initial seismo data, it does not appear that this crazy idea of mine could be possible. At least not this time. Unless they spot something in the seismo graphs that we can't see as of yet. So really this idea is hereby debunked unless someone comes up with something else.

As far as overall possibity, though, one thing I found curious was that the intial blast from the nuke on the seismograph had a 6.6 magnitude, and if placed right near such a volitile area such as where this one occurred, who knows if it just might work to iniate a quake. That combined with the fact that nukes can be detonated under water, and in theory, it may be possible. Just not likely on this one.

[edit on 26-12-2004 by TrueAmerican]



posted on Dec, 26 2004 @ 11:01 PM
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posted on Dec, 26 2004 @ 11:17 PM
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Well I did say "unless someone comes up with something else." Holy Manmade Earthquake!

This is pretty wicked:
www.bariumblues.com...


From the article:
At the Peoples Health Assembly in December 2000 in Dhaka, Bangladesh, Dr. Bertell revealed to a shocked and incredulous audience that the latest weapons in the arsenal of the US military is Planet Earth itself ... and weather will be one of the worst destructive weapons by the year 2025.

Dr. Bertell was referring to how engineered earthquakes and tornadoes could wreak havoc on populations and nations.

According to her book, electromagnetic weapons have the ability to transmit explosive and other effects such as earthquake induction across intercontinental distances to any selected target site on the globe with force levels equivalent to major nuclear explosions


We are really reaching now, lol, omg. But damn. Just damn. And that wasn't the only article either.

[edit on 26-12-2004 by TrueAmerican]



posted on Dec, 26 2004 @ 11:36 PM
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The cause of an earthquake is unknown. It could be anything from spotantaneous earth activity to intelligent earth activity or man-made. I am aware that tectonic weapons are rumoured to be existing. However, I don't see what would be the purpose of a tectonic weapon being used by an advanced country on the region.

I know it this was a terrible disaster, but it's relatively insignificant as a weapon to damage these countries. Now had an earthquake been induced that was so disasterous that it killed millions and damaged the economies, then a tectonic weapon becomes a possibility, however, only a possibility.



posted on Dec, 27 2004 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Well, my thinking was that if they knew the plates were weak at that juncture, and could of placed a small nuke or bomb of some kind there at the juncture of the plates on the ocean floor, that it might be able to cause a big enough impact to incite a quake.

Its a cute idea but the boundaries of plates are enourmous. The energy released in these kinds of earthquakes are thousands of times more powerful than nuclear weapons, just to give an idea of the scale involved. I'm not saying its immposible that it coud work, but there's no reason to think that it would.


Indigo-child
The cause of an earthquake is unknown.

The cause of earthquakes are not unknown. They are largely caused by sudden movement along fault lines.

It could be anything from spotantaneous earth activity to intelligent earth activity or man-made.

It could also by the stamping of the hooves of the invisible pink unicorn, but there's nothing to suggest that, man made activity, or 'intelligent earth' activity.



posted on Dec, 27 2004 @ 10:25 AM
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Hey you see pink unicorns too? man they are bad dudes. heard they cause lots of earthquakes.



posted on Dec, 27 2004 @ 10:29 AM
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Muslim extremists probably wouldn't mess with anyone in that part of the world. Indonesia and its' neighbours are mostly Muslim countries.

Indonesia has the largest Muslim population in the world, if I remember correctly.



posted on Dec, 27 2004 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
Hey you see pink unicorns too?

Duh, no, I said they were invisible. THe pink elephants tho, those i see all the time


jakomo
Muslim extremists probably wouldn't mess with anyone in that part of the world. Indonesia and its' neighbours are mostly Muslim countries.

They've targeted muslim mosques, tyrannize muslims, and kill muslims in bomb attacks. Obviously they haven't the slightest problem with targeting and killing muslims.



posted on Dec, 27 2004 @ 12:21 PM
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Nygdan:

They've targeted muslim mosques, tyrannize muslims, and kill muslims in bomb attacks. Obviously they haven't the slightest problem with targeting and killing muslims.


The muslims they kill are "collateral damage". The main goals are usually to kill Americans or kill American sympathizers, or so it seems.


j



posted on Dec, 27 2004 @ 02:30 PM
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Another possiblility...
although i admit...it isn't original...
Clive Cussler used it for a Dirk Pitt novel.

Fire Ice is a type of methane ice that accumulates in large pockets under the sea...
it is stable due to its pressure and temperature... but if either is adjusted or if an intentional explosion sets a pocket off...
then exactly what happeded will happen...

a vein will ignite with terrible explosive effect, causing a earth quake and a mega tidal wave.
Not very specific, or accurate... but devastating...
it could be a big tool in the terrorists kit, although it would offend any other countries that happened to share a coast line with the body of water.
I am tring to find the article from a scientist who stated that these methane pockets are a ticking timebomb that could send us into a cataclismic earth change. It was the first thing that went through my head when i heard about it.
This scientist said that the changing ocean currents might cause some of these pockets to unstabilize and ignite "naturally"




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