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originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: HarryTZ
Yes, there's air all around for everyone regardless of circumstances. That is a blessing, but it does not describe freedom; even a slave or someone locked in a room can breathe air.
Before I had studied Ch'an for thirty years, I saw mountains as mountains, and rivers as rivers. When I arrived at a more intimate knowledge, I came to the point where I saw that mountains are not mountains, and rivers are not rivers. But now that I have got its very substance I am at rest. For it's just that I see mountains once again as mountains, and rivers once again as rivers.
(Qingyuan Weixin, as translated by D T Suzuki, Essays on Zen Buddhism.)
originally posted by: TatTvamAsi
Before I had studied Ch'an for thirty years, I saw mountains as mountains, and rivers as rivers. When I arrived at a more intimate knowledge, I came to the point where I saw that mountains are not mountains, and rivers are not rivers. But now that I have got its very substance I am at rest. For it's just that I see mountains once again as mountains, and rivers once again as rivers.
(Qingyuan Weixin, as translated by D T Suzuki, Essays on Zen Buddhism.)
The above quote came immediately to mind when reading this thread. I see you also have a quote from Osho in your footer. He also used to use the term 'surrender' which meant stopping conceptualization of reality. Reality is one thing, the facts that we choose to observe in reality are not reality, it is like looking at it through a stained glass pane. The mind cannot conceive the whole, regardless the number of facts known. The map is not the terrain.
originally posted by: TatTvamAsi
I see you also have a quote from Osho in your footer.
originally posted by: gosseyn
originally posted by: HarryTZ
a reply to: gosseyn
The universe is a thought... no model can possibly represent actual reality because reality is nothing.
It might be a nothing, but there is the nothing and there is how we deal with the nothing.
originally posted by: Itisnowagain
originally posted by: gosseyn
originally posted by: HarryTZ
a reply to: gosseyn
The universe is a thought... no model can possibly represent actual reality because reality is nothing.
It might be a nothing, but there is the nothing and there is how we deal with the nothing.
The illusion is that there is a you separate to life that can deal with it. There is nothing individual - life is simply happening.
originally posted by: gosseyn
We have no other choice than to deal with the illusion. There is understanding and there is being, and we cannot do without being and dealing with stuff.
Are you not dealing with it right now ? Haven't you created this thread ? Aren't you answering to me ? Aren't you going to read this ?
originally posted by: HarryTZ
a reply to: gosseyn
Your need to 'deal' with the illusion is actually the illusion itself. No one is dealing with anything at all because there is nobody.
originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: gosseyn
What do you mean by 'the matrix'?
originally posted by: gosseyn
originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: gosseyn
What do you mean by 'the matrix'?
What do you mean by "the illusion" ? Isn't an illusion something made to trick something else ? But if as you say there is no one, no separation, then what is there to trick ? Nothing. Which means that your concept of illusion is not adapted to the situation and you have to change your concepts, OR there is in fact a separation between the illusion and the target of the illusion and you have to change your theory/perspective.