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How a crisis in Estonia could lead to World War III

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posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 07:35 AM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: intrptr

I'm sorry ..YOU were saying?
www.manilalivewire.com...

One big happy empire… (at the top)

Announcement in Phillipines:

For the greater good we have decided to build up our "defensive" capabilities and it will only require a little more austerity for you the people. Don't mind the American jets overhead rattling windows, it is the price of freedom (that you must pay for).

Cha Ching
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posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 07:38 AM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: intrptr

TOO touchy feely for me.

Something died in you over there, bummer.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 07:50 AM
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a reply to: intrptr

USA Empire prefers covert operations over brute tanks - make a coup in the country. And not so visible control after regime change.

Reading BBC headline "Greece debt: Varoufakis accuses creditors of 'terrorism'"

"Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis has accused Athens' creditors of "terrorism", the day before a referendum on an international bailout.
Speaking to Spain's El Mundo newspaper, he said the country's lenders wanted to "instil fear in people".
First step to glue word "terrorism" to the image. Second step accuse him of terrorism. Let's say "financial terrorism" lol
Demonization of Varoufakis has begun, scary picture of him is probably a warning.
I'm afraid Nuland is going to say FSck Varoufakis. The distortion of the words has started. Greece coup 2 may happen soon.

Greece Coup 1, 1967 youtu.be...



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 08:08 AM
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a reply to: kitzik

USA Empire prefers covert operations over brute tanks - make a coup in the country.

In the past, maybe. More overt now. Strange thing is people don't seem to mind as much anymore.

No other country flies drones and rains hell fire on other countries like the US.

US will use any tool in its arsenal, to get the job of world domination done, including the media. The situation in Greece will unfold like its supposed to. Right now the Greecians are gearing up for the big decision on Sunday. The referendum isn't binding, its just an illusion of participation in the democratic process. The polls there in the media even have a yes vote (for more austerity) leading slightly…


lol.

After the media, government and police thugs beat down the resulting riot, everyone will go home and tighten their "Austerity" belt a little more, just like in Ireland, Italy, Spain, wherever.

Nowadays control is complete.

Now if this had been a lawful demonstration in a middle eastern country, air strikes would commence right away. Look at what happened in Yemen, for example.

The people there rose up, chased out the western puppet president and occupied the palace. The kingdom of Saud rescued the president and began air strikes immediately.

That will never happen to a member of NATO. Could you imagine…?

Now I'm off to watch the YouTube…



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 08:26 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Rocker2013


These countries have not been "occupied" by Nato, they are VOLUNTARY MEMBERS OF NATO.

Military occupation is military occupation. You paint the lie (that is isn't) any color you want to.


NATO Occupation? You really are just making things up, now.

Typically, during an "occupation", the civilian Government is subservient to the occupying power, if not outright replaced by a Military Governor.

Now, kindly point to us where any NATO member country is subservient to NATO forces present or where NATO has supplanted the Government and replaced them with a Governor of Military rank.

There is also only one "NATO" base in the entire world and it isn't in Estonia and certainly no where near Russia, so this bull about NATO bases on the border of or surrounding Russia is just that, bull.

NATO is a voluntary membership organisation. They didn't roll up the Baltics and demand they join, those countries actively pursued membership, made the necessary military reforms and applied of their own free will.

As for the US forces (very small units atm) present - again, they are there by request and rather reluctantly from the US I might add.

I really do wonder if you're able, intellectually, to know the difference or whether you do know but your blind loyalty to Mother Russia and Emperor Putin simply won't allow you to contemplate it further.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: stumason


Typically, during an "occupation", the civilian Government is subservient to the occupying power, if not outright replaced by a Military Governor.

Check, check. The Estonian "president" is from New Jersey, lol.

And Russian tanks in the UK wouldn't mean the government has somehow been subverted? How much double standard sauce covers that dish up?

Let alone the cry of foul play that Russian tanks are in Eastern Ukraine, and okay for NATO tanks to crowd foreign countries border with Russia…

Get out the ladle.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 08:41 AM
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a reply to: stumason


NATO is a voluntary membership organisation. They didn't roll up the Baltics and demand they join, those countries actively pursued membership, made the necessary military reforms and applied of their own free will…

Dogma, all empires say they were invited and protecting the countries they occupy.

Of course history reveals the truth of their "benevolence".



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 08:42 AM
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a reply to: intrptr

How many times must your errors be pointed out before you understand your RHETORIC is pointess?



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 08:55 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
Check, check. The Estonian "president" is from New Jersey, lol.


Er, no - he wasn't implanted by NATO - he was duly elected by the Estonian Parliament. Also, as has been pointed out to you in this thread, he is merely a ceremonial President. The actual running of the country lies with the PM and his cabinet, who is as Estonian as they come.


originally posted by: intrptr
And Russian tanks in the UK wouldn't mean the government has somehow been subverted? How much double standard sauce covers that dish up?


No, it wouldn't, if they had actually been invited the UK Government and the UK was in a defence pact with Russia. You can whine about "double standard sauce" all you like, but the truth is you're spreading a good portion of donkey crap relish of your own.


originally posted by: intrptr
Let alone the cry of foul play that Russian tanks are in Eastern Ukraine, and okay for NATO tanks to crowd foreign countries border with Russia…

Get out the ladle.


Any NATO forces in any NATO country are there by request. This ignores the fact that almost all of the NATO forces in countries that border Russia belong to that nation, not any others.


originally posted by: intrptr
Dogma, all empires say they were invited and protecting the countries they occupy.

Of course history reveals the truth of their "benevolence".


Indeed it does - a cursory glance at the process of the Baltic nations accession to NATO shows it was an entirely willing and voluntary act by those countries. I challenge you to prove otherwise - naturally, as you do with points raised you cannot counter, you will simply ignore this and move on to try and poke nonsensical holes in something else.

Estonia et all request NATO reinforcement

Estonia is a willing and enthusiastic partner in NATO



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: cavtrooper7




How many times must your errors be pointed out before you understand your RHETORIC is pointess?


Actually it is pointless to ask that question?

Because the answer would be it never will.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 09:01 AM
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Dogma, all empires say they were invited and protecting the countries they occupy.


Well good thing NATO isn't an empire now isn't it.

As it has been shown many, many times before countries apply to be part of NATO...NATO doesn't seek them out.

If NATO was so hell bent on being on Russia's border they would have excepted Ukraine long before now. But feel free to provide what you think refutes this, because I need a good laugh this morning.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 09:08 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

The sad thing is, NATO courted Russia and made so many concessions to them after the Cold War to try and get them working off the same page so we would no longer be rivals.

Russia withdrew from most of the cooperation when Putin took over and NATO terminated the rest with the Ukraine debacle.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 09:15 AM
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As it has been shown many, many times before…

Yes, page sliding to bury content is a well known disnformation tactic. Amazing how many sliders come out to protest a simple statement like "Nato is only an enforcement branch of the current empire".

"Must have hit it pretty close to the mark to get them all riled up, huh kid?" --Han Solo



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 09:22 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
"Must have hit it pretty close to the mark to get them all riled up, huh kid?" --Han Solo


Or - more likely - everyone is sick of your constant crap being spouted and you ignoring everyone's retorts to continue spouting the crap, as if you're some sort of stuck record.

And you even got your quote wrong as well..... Can't even make a sarcastic remark without making an error.



"Must have hit pretty close to the mark to get her all riled up like that, huh, kid"

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posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: intrptr

RUSSIA still EXISTS.
Imperial forces haven't KILLED when they could have, WE could have STOMPED Iran easily when they took our embassy hostage. IT'S CALLED SCORTCHED EARTH. You haven't SEEN that from the US yet.
We could have NUKED china and the Norks to oblivion if we felt like it,NOT to mention CAPUTERED most of europe RIGHT after WWII instead of PAYING for their rebuild.
IFN FACT it is quite well KNOWN common American humanitarianism is regarded as a WEAKNESS by Eastern forces Including Russia.

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posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: cavtrooper7




RUSSIA still EXISTS.


Exactly, if the US wanted to deal Russia the death blow it could have very easily done so when the Soviet Union broke up.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 09:46 AM
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a reply to: stumason




The sad thing is, NATO courted Russia and made so many concessions to them after the Cold War to try and get them working off the same page so we would no longer be rivals.


Well you can't teach an old dog new tricks...and definitely can't teach a dying one new tricks.

Putin is a dying breed in Russia, and until the citizens see this they are destined for whatever Putin brings to them.

And it really is sad.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 12:02 PM
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a reply to: stumason


Or - more likely - everyone is sick of your constant crap being spouted and you ignoring everyone's retorts to continue spouting the crap, as if you're some sort of stuck record.

'Constant crap' as you put it, spews from the main stream and posters like you that mirror it. What are you even doing on an alternative news website?

Oh, spouting main stream dogma. Like anyone who cares to tread insults from you will see overtime.

Thanks for exposing your self ,

done here.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 12:11 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: intrptr

RUSSIA still EXISTS.
Imperial forces haven't KILLED when they could have, WE could have STOMPED Iran easily when they took our embassy hostage. IT'S CALLED SCORTCHED EARTH. You haven't SEEN that from the US yet.
We could have NUKED china and the Norks to oblivion if we felt like it,NOT to mention CAPUTERED most of europe RIGHT after WWII instead of PAYING for their rebuild.
IFN FACT it is quite well KNOWN common American humanitarianism is regarded as a WEAKNESS by Eastern forces Including Russia.


There are costs invovled in each of the operations that you mentioned above. US does not like when costs involve too much lives lost and injuries for the home team.

US humanitarism? is a BS concept when applied to non Western nations. Trying to convince that US is humanitarian because it does not stomp other nations..............is a purely evil logic.

US is not "rabid fascist" like Nazi Germany or Imperialist and Oppressive like Britain prior to WWII or Fanatic and Medieval minded like Islamic powers............but it does show some of such traits in light flavor in its foreign policies.



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 12:27 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
'Constant crap' as you put it, spews from the main stream and posters like you that mirror it. What are you even doing on an alternative news website?


Yes, constant crap - like NATO Military Occupations, for example.

As for the "alternative news website" bit - it isn't at all. It is a site devoted to "denying ignorance" - which is what we're doing with you.


originally posted by: intrptr
Oh, spouting main stream dogma. Like anyone who cares to tread insults from you will see overtime.

Thanks for exposing your self ,

done here.


Ah, bowing out, are we? Truth be told, if you could honestly refute anything I've said, you'd have done it, which leaves the only reason for pulling a Cartman as you've been beaten.



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