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Putin: anyone joining NATO gives up sovereignty to USA, at that point you are enemy in WW3 scenario

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posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 04:25 AM
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originally posted by: MrSpad
China is going to eat Russia. It has already taken away the formed Soviet Republics in the East while Putin is busy wrecking his economy and military in Ukraine. China will buy Russia's natural resources at bargain rates. Unless somebody turns Russia around it is going to end up a third world state.


A strong Russia is a good thing for China and a strong China a good thing for Russia. There's no need for them to be at each others throats. You can believe they will one day, because some American/Western think tank says so.
But the reality is different. If Russia and China go at it, they both lose. Then both are weak and easy pickings for America. Neither wants to be easy pickings for America, what they want is to break the American's domination on the majority of the planet. Together there is more chance they can achieve that then there is alone.

It's the same with the USA and Europe. A strong Europe is good for the USA and vice versa.

Some of you should just accept the fact that Russia and China are to each other what Europe and America are to each other.




posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 04:40 AM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Azureblue




Putin: anyone joining NATO gives up sovereignty to USA - thats 100000000000 % right


And yet the US hasn't taken any NATO country over and taken their sovereignty...but feel free to provide us with those countries that have had this happen?


There are other ways of taking a country over other than with guns. Think of banks and the power of big business, think of the power of international "free" trade agreements just to name a few.



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 05:11 AM
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a reply to: pexx421

1. Prove that the USSR did not annex parts of Poland and Germany after WW2 as I ignorantly claimed.

2. Prove that NATO was not formed as a response to Soviet aggression.

3. Expose the lie that France withdrew from NATO without negative consequences.

4. Explain the true fate of Austria and Switzerland, how they suffered at NATO's hands.

Why haven't the Putinistas stood up for truth?



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 05:21 AM
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a reply to: mortex


A strong Russia is a good thing for China and a strong China a good thing for Russia. There's no need for them to be at each others throats.


Please explain how having a country that is superior both economically and militarily on its southeastern flank is a good thing for Russia, given their known strategy of defense in depth? If they feel the need for buffer states in Europe, why would they not feel the need for them on their Asian border? Are you implying they are willing to yield Siberia and their Pacific ports to China if necessary?



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 05:41 AM
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a reply to: Azureblue




There are other ways of taking a country over other than with guns.


And yet NATO hasn't taken over any country in any way...again I ask you to provide the name of any country NATO has taken over that didn't apply to become part of NATO.

You made this statement did you not?



Putin: anyone joining NATO gives up sovereignty to USA - thats 100000000000 % right


So now I ask again...

WHat country has given up their sovereignty to the US by joining NATO?

You say it is 100000000000 % right....now time to back the claim?



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 05:50 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Basically, any country that does not take orders from Moscow is a slave to the US.
edit on 3-7-2015 by DJW001 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 08:25 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

I don't have to prove any of those things, they are all true.



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 09:19 AM
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a reply to: DJW001



I see everyone is marching in lockstep to the Kremlin's new meme: people are afraid of America's spies. Funny, because the only people who have had their private phone calls made public have been the victims of Russian spying:


History shows that both sides are guilty.

Gary powers was caught when his U.S spyplane was came down in Soviet territory. He was released under the terms that the U.S handed over Soviet spies they had locked up. Then there is General LeMay, who took great pleasure in goading the soviets by sending bombers towards soviet airspace and then turning around, and at a time where nukes were being developed in earnest that was a very, very dangerous move.

So what's the difference now? who knows.




edit on 3-7-2015 by Thecakeisalie because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 11:45 AM
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We need united world, maybe under one world goverment. Not divided with its tribal wars. I don't understand people who care about their countries. For me country is just a service provider that takes my money in exchange for healthcare, security and other things.



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 02:43 PM
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originally posted by: mortex

originally posted by: MrSpad
China is going to eat Russia. It has already taken away the formed Soviet Republics in the East while Putin is busy wrecking his economy and military in Ukraine. China will buy Russia's natural resources at bargain rates. Unless somebody turns Russia around it is going to end up a third world state.


A strong Russia is a good thing for China and a strong China a good thing for Russia. There's no need for them to be at each others throats. You can believe they will one day, because some American/Western think tank says so.
But the reality is different. If Russia and China go at it, they both lose. Then both are weak and easy pickings for America. Neither wants to be easy pickings for America, what they want is to break the American's domination on the majority of the planet. Together there is more chance they can achieve that then there is alone.

It's the same with the USA and Europe. A strong Europe is good for the USA and vice versa.

Some of you should just accept the fact that Russia and China are to each other what Europe and America are to each other.



mmmmm, no Spad's right

You have to look at the China Russia situation from a pov of demographics first and foremost. China has more migrant workers cross into Siberia every year than Siberia has people in it. Some stay every time, Siberia will be Chinese one day even if they remain highly subtle about it, China is also getting a leg up because of energy owning those resources brings Chinese workers, now China is building a train through Moscow to Europe, Chinese people will get off that train lol...

China has to be practically laughing at this... pretty sure they have determined white people can't do algebra even lol

The US and Russia both are demographically giving China the globe and seem to be too stupid to realize it or on the back end the US just allows it because they rather deal with China then Russia in the long run...

Putin seems to be a real moron imho... there is "tension" in East Asia over the south China sea and honestly I do not believe there is now or has been a Chinese plan to war against other Asians, but Putin has run amok to get China as an ally in a fight that china nor the USA plans to see happen... you don't build sky scrappers or even start a war all over your developed East Coast where everything you are making money from is... they aren't going to push it to fight with Japan or Taiwan...

But Putin is gung ho to kiss their rear end because Nato WOULD have that fight in Europe with him and he's being a fool

The worry for China the GAIN for China is West in Asia, it's issue is Islam just like us, the territories it CAN absorb are West and North, not well developed Asian nations with strong economies and large numbers of people who will be defiant.

Siberia... 6 Million people, the capacity to build road and rail commerce to the Americas via Alaska, no one living there vast amounts of land

Kazakhstan, 23 Million people, ethnically largely Asian by appearance already, huge territory vast land and resources...

Mongollia, almost empty like Kazakhstan, vast land resources

Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, the rest of the "stans" aside from Pakistan...ditto low population, muslim influence on their culture, resources...

You have to notice Kazakhstan ends almost at Ukraine... the so called new "silk road basically has Russia in it's way... even Russia is 1/14th the population of China as a whole...

I have good money that says either directly or indirectly china is actually chiseling away at Russia with the United States,

Eat Russia... yeah Spad has it and it's Literal, not warfare, not hatred of the people they will simply just end up consuming Asia. Putin is being a stupid ex KGB cold warrior and being forced into a trap. It's like he is BLIND... Think about it your nations population is in decline, 120 million people but rather than join Nato, you side with the "Communists" next door (as if that even has meaning as the whole world waxes socialist/capitalist) and open the doors to nearly 1.5 BIllion people from next door...

When i say Kazakhstan has 23 Million people... I'm not talking about fielding an army, just F...ing and later voting or protesting etc...

Now Putin will "fight" with the West really? gee... what a great way to kill a lot of males of prime breeding age in your nation... might he not think for a moment what Europe at 800 Million the USA across an Ocean and China on their borders might think about Russia loosing "men" while it's population is in decline via "strife" means for them all?

Putin is thinking in regards to imaginary lines lol... what a maroon as bugs bunny would say... he want's the baltics. Ukraine... really? will an Army make them Russian? or allies? will Nato give him the excuse to launch Nukes or just let the people of the region kill more Russian men? Like we are doing in Ukraine? Send more weary guys home to alcoholism?

Every boy Putin sends is one less Russian baby, if over time Europe looses 50 million boys in the East and Russia losses 50 Million Russia is with current population losses a smaller people than France by maybe 30 Million and Europe still is over 700 million Strong and Chinese kids will extend all the way to Hungary lol

Russia is being bled of it's people...

While Chinese trains pull into Moscow



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 06:38 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: DJW001

I don't have to prove any of those things, they are all true.



If you can't prove it, they're not true.



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 08:44 PM
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If you think Russia is not part of the game and they are somehow this savior good guy of the world, you are sadly misinformed....Everything going on in the news and what these countries say and do are just a show...Clearly you've fallen for it...a reply to: PredatorCrackling



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 07:40 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: DJW001

I don't have to prove any of those things, they are all true.



If you can't prove it, they're not true.

You just disagreed with your own statement?

Telling…



posted on Jul, 4 2015 @ 09:00 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: ScientificRailgun


One need only look at History to find out a few things regarding NATO …

Don't look to far back into the history of US military might. It gets bloody.


And Russias doesn't? America is no angel but PUTINS Russia is so aggressive it has his neighbours running for protection.
edit on 4-7-2015 by Megatronus because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 17 2015 @ 08:37 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: DJW001

I don't have to prove any of those things, they are all true.



If you can't prove it, they're not true.

You just disagreed with your own statement?

Telling…



You're not sure what statement I'm referring to, are you?




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